SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN (Page 105)

Nice going Fred! I've been using HR as a strong guide as well as I pick things back up. Power helps to start things off, then HR & RPE make sure I'm not doing something nuts as I sustain it.

This.  I have a 40K TT series near me that I may do this off season, and could do it there.

And, not to take anything away fred, but doesn't the hill skew the numbers?  I can hold 250 for a half hour climbing without too much destruction, but on the flats it takes much more work.

I got it, it wasn't really a test, other than "how hard can I go for an hour"   that makes sense, and frankly doing that up a hill is not that much easier than doing it flat if you are going hard as you can. 

I didn't mean the rollers, but the :20 climb.  I was shocked when I fisrt got power how easy it was to get a very high number pretty quickly on a climb (and how low the numbers were relatively).   I agree that rollers are harder to hold power, that has always been my problem and the reason why my VI often exceeds 1.10

http://www.uncletren.com/Piru.html

Monthly 20K and 40K races.  I've always been too afraid to show up to these.  But may try to work these in this season to track progress.

And then I found this...  lots more TTs

http://www.socalttseries.com/p/faq.html

If you've got a 20 or 40K course you can ride, perhaps others (like me) have organized events, we can still have a challenge, maybe not for power, but like the ST 40K challenge.  It would get me motivated to actually do one.

I'd love to do a 40K TT sometime and I have the roads to do it safely (as safe as any other riding I do anyway).  I'm not sure I could muster the motivation to do it on my own though.  I think there is an organized event that I could get to in a couple of hours of driving - maybe next summer.

meh. That just sounds like one of Ben's recovery rides....

Hey Fred - I actually have an explicit agreement with my coach that I will ignore all internet training challenges and group goal setting if you can believe that. That said I am thinking about doing a ride this weekend that I don't get to do very often, it has a lot of great climbing and smack in the middle of it is a 9 mile sustained climb that usually takes me right at an hour to summit. It is about 2500' and has a 2 mile stretch in the middle that is a steady 10% grade. I would be kinda interested to attack it and see where I am mentally. I am coming to the end of my "just have fun" training block so I maybe it would be OK. I am not in my peak physical shape, but like you said the mental aspect of it is really the interesting part. Both holding back and building through the beginning AND then not cracking before the end. I really should be working on my running though.....

IMO, it's easier to bail on an indoor ride (for me).  Although I've considered it, I have yet to bail on a 20' test, though I've wanted to many times.  (I'm gonna guess first 5).

One of my issues is that I train differently indoors than out.  I ride ERG most of the time indoors, and obviously outdoor is ... not ERG, whatever the name for that is.  But 20' tests are not in Erg mode.

I have done sustained balls out efforts for about 20-25 minutes outdoors, on a climb when I first got the PM and wanted to see what an all out effort was on a local 5 mile climb.  I got a PR on the climb was was utterly shattered at the top

The next week went back and dialed back 20-30 watts, took me 1:30 longer and I felt pretty good at the top.  It was a good lesson

Long way from a Guru, but it depends. Usually no, except maybe when in the mountains where you have long sustained climbs followed by long descents. But even then I hit laps at the bottom and top of each climb, so it makes it easy to isolate the work. And that is really only useful if for some reason you need an unskewed number while you are actually riding. For example, I watch 3 second power and average power - I find it useful to watch how average power trends over time in my experience rides with long climbs and descents tend to really skew the power number in a way that does not really accurately reflect the work and recovery load. But in the end as you know these are just numbers, and as long as you are consistent in how they are collected and you pay attention to what they mean for you then it doesn't really matter what they are.

I have never really thought about it (and you didn't ask), but for post-ride analysis purposes in Training Peaks it might actually be better to record data without zeros (at least in some instances), because a) it is easy to add them back in, but I don't think there is a way to take them out and b) It appears that TP calculates VI, TSS, etc using the zeros no matter what.

I am going to guess in the second quarter based simply on my own demonstrated lack of fortitude.

Can't decide between 1st or 2nd.

I don't know on your CP per GC question, but yes on the AP. It's not nearly the same thing. My AP can go noticeably over NP if I drop them. Including stops in the time & average is another, though related, question.

I do have one where the NP wasn't far off from his at that time point, but AP was noticeably below as there were a number of rather sharp ups and downs. Although going more than 100 ft without the bike at the end would have been a considerable challenge (~5:40 total ride).