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2012-01-10 2:23 PM in reply to: #3980695 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Tebow! uclamatt2007 - 2012-01-09 6:59 PM rayd - 2012-01-09 1:43 PM uclamatt2007 - 2012-01-09 1:19 PM rayd - 2012-01-09 11:41 AM Cuetoy - 2012-01-09 12:31 PM scoobysdad - 2012-01-09 2:16 PM uclamatt2007 - 2012-01-09 12:37 PM I'll go a step further and say that the Denver coaching staff's stubbornness in not letting Tebow throw downfield during the last three games set up Pittsburgh to adopt a faulty defensive game plan and approach. Just as it appeared to us, it probably appeared to Dick Lebeau and the Pittsburgh defenders that Denver was once again going to stubbornly run and run and run come heck or high water and never even take shots downfield. Of course, that proved to be a deadly mistake. But I'm sure that influenced not only the defensive game plan but also the play of Pittsburgh's linebackers and safeties who mistakenly reacted to the run threat first just about every play. Now, I'm not saying that Denver's coaching staff was setting this up all along by how it played the last three games because obviously Denver could have easily missed the playoffs as a result. But I will give them credit for FINALLY allowing Tebow to take his shots. Obviously, Lebeau and the Pitt D are to be criticized for not making adjustments accordingly. scoobysdad - 2012-01-09 8:41 AM uclamatt2007 - 2012-01-09 10:28 AM Yes, but that's the point. Teams would not be loading the box if not for Tebow's ability to gash them running. That opened up the passing game and Tebow beat them with the deep ball. People keep wanting to rate Tebow on "traditional" QB stats like completion percentage and QB rating. But he's not a traditional QB. He can beat teams in other ways. And his ability to run himself or option off to another RB forces teams to play defense differently. This is the dimension that those who want to judge him on things like completion percentage continually discount. And he has STILL posted a more than respectable cumulative QB rating. I would argue the mere presence of Tebow makes the running game more effective, which makes the passing game more effective, which allows the Denver D to rest on the sideline and play more effectively. That's a tremendous impact on a team by just ONE PLAYER. And isn't that what great players do... make their entire team better? That's "The Tebow Effect". Copyright scoobysdad 2012. mrbbrad - 2012-01-09 6:43 AM Still with the bashing?? The best defense in the league stepped right up in Tebow's face and dared him to beat them with his arm. So he did. Only 10 for 21, but 316 yards, 2 TD's and a rush TD. QB rating of 125. Did he throw some carp passes? Sure. Did he guide his team to yet another thrilling victory? Yup. The best defense in football wasn't in his face much. While Pittsburgh packed guys within 7 yards of the line, they got little to now pressure on Tebow most of the game. If you are going to bring the safeties up like that then you have to get pressure on the QB. It looked at times like they were so focused on the option that they were completely ignoring the fact that their corners were getting beat like they stole something. Yes I mostly agree. But if you are going to say that the offensive game plan held Tebow back late in the season, then you also have to acknowledge that the defensive game plan of the Steelers helped him succeed. Despite the fact that the Broncos were having little success running and the receivers were consistently beating the corners on routes, they never adjusted. Thats bad coaching. The criticism that Lebeau is getting in the way he ran his defense I think is more of hindsight is 2020 situation than anything else. You have to make Tebow pass and take away the run, which is very sound strategy. Even after a good passing performance during regulation, if you play the odds, his running will hurt you more than his passing. You dare him to pass and if he does it like he did yesterday, you congratulate him and move on, but I like those odds regardless The #1 NFL pass defense allowed over 30 yards per completion. Really, they respect Tebow that much as a runner to allow that to happen? It was intersting as I don't think Denver passed on a single first down up until OT. (I could be wrong as I am going on memory) It didn't help that they had to have 3 back up defensive linemen play pretty much the entire game due to injuries. That is going to get you no push up front and a big part of their defense is controlling the line with the front 7. Combine that with their leading tackler having to sit due to the elevation (talk about home field advantage), that's an awful lot for a defense to try to game plan around. it looks like Denver will be playing without at least 3-starters this Saturday. And I believe the game is in NE. It's all part of the game. It's definitely part of the game, but you can't ignore it when asking why Tebow was able to throw for 30+ yards per attempt. I read somewhere that the Steelers had 8 starters out in the second half. That's brutal by any standard. We could avoid a lot of this by just having the top two seeds play each other for the Superbowl. That system works so well in college football |
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2012-01-10 2:30 PM in reply to: #3906878 |
2012-01-10 2:36 PM in reply to: #3906878 |
Champion 5312 Calgary | Subject: RE: Tebow! Tebow declines to endorse a presidential candidate. http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/01/10/another-victory-keeps-tebow-i... |
2012-01-10 3:11 PM in reply to: #3982256 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: Tebow! mrbbrad - 2012-01-10 1:23 PM We could avoid a lot of this by just having the top two seeds play each other for the Superbowl. That system works so well in college football That could work. Just have to make sure the teams take a month and a half off between the regular season and Superbowl... |
2012-01-10 3:18 PM in reply to: #3982346 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Tebow! drewb8 - 2012-01-10 4:11 PM mrbbrad - 2012-01-10 1:23 PM We could avoid a lot of this by just having the top two seeds play each other for the Superbowl. That system works so well in college football That could work. Just have to make sure the teams take a month and a half off between the regular season and Superbowl... The Cowboys qualify. They always take time off during late November through January. |
2012-01-10 3:54 PM in reply to: #3906878 |
Master 1517 Western MA near the VT & NH border on the CT river | Subject: RE: Tebow! |
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2012-01-10 10:24 PM in reply to: #3906878 |
Master 1669 "Home of Superman" | Subject: RE: Tebow! I really don't are for the guy. He uses the religion thing to gain attention IMO. He's really not that good of a QB.
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2012-01-11 7:17 AM in reply to: #3983134 |
Veteran 494 Berkley | Subject: RE: Tebow! medic1962 - 2012-01-10 11:24 PM I really don't are for the guy. He uses the religion thing to gain attention IMO. He's really not that good of a QB.
He only mentions God when he wins. He neglects to mention him when he loses, God gave him the power to win and also the power to be terrible. A little hypocritical not to mention God. Heck, he could say "I thank God for teaching me xyz", but no... he just leaves it out. I love at the end of the Pit game, he was running down the field and almost forgot to do it "pose", stopped knelt down and posed for pictures and kept running. |
2012-01-11 7:39 AM in reply to: #3983134 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Tebow! medic1962 - 2012-01-10 11:24 PM I really don't are for the guy. He uses the religion thing to gain attention IMO. He's really not that good of a QB. So he did all that missionary work (prior to any college ball playing), to "gain attention"? Wow, how cynical... |
2012-01-11 8:04 AM in reply to: #3906878 |
2012-01-11 8:21 AM in reply to: #3983434 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: Tebow! deboerkj - 2012-01-11 6:17 AM medic1962 - 2012-01-10 11:24 PM I really don't are for the guy. He uses the religion thing to gain attention IMO. He's really not that good of a QB.
He only mentions God when he wins. He neglects to mention him when he loses, God gave him the power to win and also the power to be terrible. A little hypocritical not to mention God. Heck, he could say "I thank God for teaching me xyz", but no... he just leaves it out. I love at the end of the Pit game, he was running down the field and almost forgot to do it "pose", stopped knelt down and posed for pictures and kept running. That is not true. Maybe those are the soundbites that the media uses in your part of the country. But win or lose, he always thanks God. He protrays a positive image for the NFL and his foundation helps poor children in need of medical care around the world. I almost started a rant...but I don't want to be the person that gets this thread pulled. http://www.timtebowfoundation.org
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2012-01-11 8:23 AM in reply to: #3983434 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Tebow! deboerkj - 2012-01-11 8:17 AM medic1962 - 2012-01-10 11:24 PM I really don't are for the guy. He uses the religion thing to gain attention IMO. He's really not that good of a QB.
He only mentions God when he wins. He neglects to mention him when he loses,
Wrong.
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2012-01-11 8:26 AM in reply to: #3983555 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Tebow! Goosedog - 2012-01-11 9:04 AM Tebow is definitely not at his optimal race weight.
I saw some footage yesterday from draft day. He's leaner now than he was back then, at least in his face. Losing that baby fat. |
2012-01-11 8:48 AM in reply to: #3983555 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Tebow! Goosedog - 2012-01-11 8:04 AM Tebow is definitely not at his optimal race weight.
Seriously? Tebow is about as cut as it gets for a guy with his muscle mass. He just doesn't look like you're average twiggy-necked QB. That's why doesn't get broken as he's running into opponents endzones. (See: Michael Vick). |
2012-01-11 8:51 AM in reply to: #3906878 |
Champion 17756 SoCal | Subject: RE: Tebow! I don't like him but I don't hate him and if nothing else he is fun to watch and that is why I watch the NFL in the first place. I just don't care to hear any of his interviews. |
2012-01-11 9:17 AM in reply to: #3906878 |
Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Tebow! Now that John Parr has re-recorded St. Elmo's Fire with the lyrics Tim Tebow's Fire, it's official. Tebow is the greatest. Although it's a little disingenous to not change the line to "I can feel Tim Tebow's fire burning inside me". |
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2012-01-11 9:19 AM in reply to: #3982460 |
Champion 5312 Calgary | Subject: RE: Tebow! pure awesomeness. |
2012-01-11 9:46 AM in reply to: #3983738 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Tebow! |
2012-01-11 9:46 AM in reply to: #3983434 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Tebow! deboerkj - 2012-01-11 6:17 AM medic1962 - 2012-01-10 11:24 PM I really don't are for the guy. He uses the religion thing to gain attention IMO. He's really not that good of a QB.
He only mentions God when he wins. He neglects to mention him when he loses, God gave him the power to win and also the power to be terrible. A little hypocritical not to mention God. Heck, he could say "I thank God for teaching me xyz", but no... he just leaves it out. I love at the end of the Pit game, he was running down the field and almost forgot to do it "pose", stopped knelt down and posed for pictures and kept running. That's a pretty unfair assesment. Even for me. Someone that will never be accused of being religous. We have to sit there and watch non stop T.O. coverage for two years. We have to endure Farve watch for 3 years and then Farve tally wacker gate. Why??? Because that is what the media chooses to crap down our thraot because they have nothig better to do with their time. controversial ratings grabs. LOTS of players pray before and during games. LOTS of players "give glory to God". LOTS of Christians in sports are not shy about their beliefs.... But Tebow kneels and the media choose to cram it down our throats 24/7 cause they have nothing better to do with their time. Tebow didn't ask for it. And branding him an attention w*ore because of it is pretty unfair. But hey... we could be watching the latest NFL rapist, drug dealing, wife beater news 24/7 which would SOOO much better. |
2012-01-11 9:48 AM in reply to: #3983791 |
Master 1793 Essex Jct, VT | Subject: RE: Tebow! scoobysdad - 2012-01-11 10:46 AM Really, the question is: Who would win in a fight between Tim Tebow and Chuck Norris? Clearly they are the same person. You have never seen them in the same place at the same time. Think about it. |
2012-01-11 9:55 AM in reply to: #3983800 |
Master 1681 Rural Ontario | Subject: RE: Tebow! This Saturday night Tebow will be singing a different tune: Life is bigger, it's bigger than you And you are not me The lengths that I will go to The distance in your eyes Oh no, I've said too much I set it up
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2012-01-11 10:10 AM in reply to: #3983791 |
Extreme Veteran 1260 Miami | Subject: RE: Tebow! scoobysdad - 2012-01-11 10:46 AM Really, the question is: Who would win in a fight between Tim Tebow and Chuck Norris? I dont think that would be fair for Tebow, not even god tries to cross with Chuck Norris. The questions would be: Who can give a better circumcision, Tebow or Norris. You have to take Norris out of his element to have a chance of beating him at something. |
2012-01-11 10:34 AM in reply to: #3983434 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Tebow! deboerkj - 2012-01-11 7:17 AM medic1962 - 2012-01-10 11:24 PM I really don't are for the guy. He uses the religion thing to gain attention IMO. He's really not that good of a QB.
He only mentions God when he wins. He neglects to mention him when he loses, God gave him the power to win and also the power to be terrible. A little hypocritical not to mention God. Heck, he could say "I thank God for teaching me xyz", but no... he just leaves it out. I love at the end of the Pit game, he was running down the field and almost forgot to do it "pose", stopped knelt down and posed for pictures and kept running. I’m uncomfortable with any athlete who brings his religion into his interviews. It’s not just Tebow, it’s Evander Holyfield, it’s Deion Sanders, everyone. Personally, I think religion is a private matter between a person and their G-d. I don’t talk about what I believe and I prefer when others do the same. That’s how I was raised. And the idea that G-d influences or cares what happens in a sporting event is contrary to my understanding and belief. Having said that… Tebow’s won me over. I really really wanted not to like him. But after watching his interviews, I have been impressed with his humility and with his faith. I like that he gives glory to G-d not for helping him win, but for giving him the opportunity—a distinction that Holyfield never seemed to grasp. I liked it when he said after a recent win that he had met recently with a sick child who had asked to meet him and that putting a smile on her face was more important to him than winning the game. I don’t agree with some of his views, but I don’t look for athletes or any celebrities for their politics. He was on the Biggest Loser last season and although he was onscreen for all of five minutes, you can’t help but be impressed with his enthusiasm and his sincerity. Anyway, everything having to do with his potential as a QB aside, I’m a fan. I think he’s genuine and that his religion is a part of who he is. I don’t think it’s for show at all. |
2012-01-11 11:20 AM in reply to: #3983434 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Tebow! deboerkj - 2012-01-11 5:17 AM medic1962 - 2012-01-10 11:24 PM I really don't are for the guy. He uses the religion thing to gain attention IMO. He's really not that good of a QB.
He only mentions God when he wins. He neglects to mention him when he loses, God gave him the power to win and also the power to be terrible. A little hypocritical not to mention God. Heck, he could say "I thank God for teaching me xyz", but no... he just leaves it out. I love at the end of the Pit game, he was running down the field and almost forgot to do it "pose", stopped knelt down and posed for pictures and kept running. No way man. I refuse to believe that. That's has to be just some personal spin from you. Unless someone does a study and compiles video evidence, I choose not even consider that a possibility. I'm huge Denver fan, and I like Tebow. He's fun to watch. I also know, unless he improves a LOT, mostly in his passing, he will never be an elite quaterback. BUT, he's smart enough and athletic enough to be capable to figure it out. I have already seen imporvement in the last 12 games. He probably never needed to rely on those aspects in college. But to accuse him of being a bandwagon bible thumper? I'm sure you don't have any evidence of that. Maybe ONE interview you say where he didn't see it or they cut it, and you hang your hat on that. I'm just going by my gut feeling on that. |
2012-01-11 12:25 PM in reply to: #3906878 |
Veteran 494 Berkley | Subject: RE: Tebow! I'm not saying that he is a bad person, he probably is one of the better people that walk this earth, I just don't agree with throwing religion into everything. If it wasn't asked in an interview, then I don't think he should bring it up. He is just very in your face with it, and that is where my turn off is from him, not as a person as a whole. I also agree that he is an elite athlete, I just don't believe that he is being utilized the best with his skillset, I don't know where he could be used, but QB is probably not the best. What I am referring to, is probably publicity/press spin on all his interviews. The only one that I remember where it seemed like he was putting up an image was this interview that he started a sentence and then backtracked and said "Oh.. I mean, first I have to thank god". The media can spin whatever they want and make people look how ever they want them to look. I do think it is a nice change to have a "good" person for the NFL/sports in general to focus on, instead of all the criminals. I'm not putting him down as a person, it just seems like (probably media edited) he is cramming religion down our throats. Question: If there was a clone of Tebow, but a different religion, do you think the media would portray them the same way if they were Muslim/Jewish/insert religion here? |
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