SWBKRUN Mentor Group-"Off Season?" What is that?!! (Page 181)

BigReub - 2009-07-28 1:27 PM I'm behind due to our weekend in Virginia so I'm going to skip specific replies.  But it looks like everyone did a great job this weekend.  Fighting thru a rough day is, in my opinion, often times more impressive to me than a great finish.  I know my most satisfying rounds of golf, for example, are the days that I really suck, but still manage to come in at 2 over par.  Now golf isn't equal to tri, but it's mental.

To stay on the mental track...I think my swimming has become all mental.  I can cruise thru 40 meters, but then I catch a "land mark" at the pool and instantly I'm wiped out.  My brain knows the wall is near.  I'm in cruise control until that point, but that last 10 meters becomes a killer.  So here I am spewing mental toughness and I can't get past this simple mark.
I talked to an IM finisher (we sem to have a lot of them per capita in Seymour) and he said he has fought the same issue.  He was scared of his first IM swim, but because he had no landmarks to know where he was he cruised right thru it.

However, I am really feeling awesome in the water.
Any suggestions for breaking thru this mental barrier in the water?

TrevorC - 2009-07-28 1:56 PM I think the bride wants to start the 200 situp thing next week in our house.
Also someone tell me what this means:Does than mean run 2 miles.... then do 5 to 7 1 minute Aerobic intervals...then do 2 miles again? Or is it saying run 2 miles

fattyfatfat - 2009-07-28 1:54 PM

For the first one,
2 miles.
5-7x1:00 at a 10k pace, it doesn't give a specific recovery time just "when return to normal breathing do the next set"
After the last AI run 2 miles once your breathing returns to normal.


Second one: Note: it seems RW uses the term GP where BT uses the term "Strides"
3 miles
2x2:00 at 10k pace, it doesn't give a specific recovery time just "when return to normal breathing do the next set"
2x2:30 at 10k pace
1x3:00 at 10k pace
6 GP repeats
After the last GP run 2 miles. once your breathing returns to normal.

The only thing I'm not sure of is your pace so I assumed 10k pace as its a bit slower than 5k pace but still pushing a bit.  This might be a little fast.  Tony has done this so he'll know.  Suzy will chime in once she gets off the HIM ride.

EDIT:  I can see the confusion because it does say in the definition "at the end of your run" but hen says 2 miles on the chart.  Run it after the the GP and treat as a cool down.

TrevorC - 2009-07-28 3:33 PM

So is that saying run between 5 and 7 intervals then for 1 minute each?

BigReub - 2009-07-28 1:27 PM To stay on the mental track...I think my swimming has become all mental.  I can cruise thru 40 meters, but then I catch a "land mark" at the pool and instantly I'm wiped out.  My brain knows the wall is near.  I'm in cruise control until that point, but that last 10 meters becomes a killer.  So here I am spewing mental toughness and I can't get past this simple mark.
I talked to an IM finisher (we sem to have a lot of them per capita in Seymour) and he said he has fought the same issue.  He was scared of his first IM swim, but because he had no landmarks to know where he was he cruised right thru it.

However, I am really feeling awesome in the water.
Any suggestions for breaking thru this mental barrier in the water?

soccermom15 - 2009-07-28 3:55 PM

I'm having the same issue but for me it's every 25 meters.  I just can't get myself to turn around and start back again without stopping for that rest at the wall.  Even when I don't really need it, like this morning.  I had a great swim, never felt out of breath or anything, but I see that wall and my mind says "it's time to stop for a break".   I'd try closing my eyes so I can't see the wall, but then, well, I wouldn't see the wall and I don't think running into it would solve my problem.   Next time I guess I'll just have to tell myself that no stopping is allowed!

Karen - please don't feel embarrased about your race!  I would love to be able to just finish an Olympic distance race even if I came in last (and I'm sure you finished much better than that).  I'm sure you did a great job!

ETA: I just read your RR!  Congrats on finishing under those conditions!  I'm glad you stuck with it even after the bad swim (I can't even imagine trying to swim upstream) and had a good bike and run.   Your next one will be a piece of cake compared to this one!

ashort33 - 2009-07-28 4:28 PM

Another thing that helped me on my 100 yd breakout was to swim with someone else - semi-competitively...  Just a friend who does tri's, but you know you will always push it to beat them...  Set up a race with someone...

BigReub - 2009-07-28 2:18 PM Barry, thanks for the video.  I may need to slow down a little still.  However, even if I purposely slowed today it was basically the same thing.

John, I am always in a pool to this point.  I'd be interested in hitting the high school pool which is a 25 yard pool (rather than the 50m pool I use now) and I wouldn't be able to recognize anything on the floor or sides.  Open water swimming is kind of a bi*ch from what I gather from all the swimmers around here.

Trevor, all that says to me is..."Too complicated for your tiny brain!"  Just kidding - no idea.

And does anyone else have a problem with the BT website hanging when asking for a new page?

fattyfatfat - 2009-07-28 5:18 PM

like a 100 mile ride

ashort33 - 2009-07-28 5:31 PM

BTW - that wasn't a race, if it was - you would have dropped my draggin' @$$ about 40 miles in...  I haven't said it before - thanks for hanging with me all day!

fattyfatfat - 2009-07-28 2:54 PM

For the first one,
2 miles.
5-7x1:00 at a 10k pace, it doesn't give a specific recovery time just "when return to normal breathing do the next set"
After the last AI run 2 miles once your breathing returns to normal.


Second one: Note: it seems RW uses the term GP where BT uses the term "Strides"
3 miles
2x2:00 at 10k pace, it doesn't give a specific recovery time just "when return to normal breathing do the next set"
2x2:30 at 10k pace
1x3:00 at 10k pace
6 GP repeats
After the last GP run 2 miles. once your breathing returns to normal.

The only thing I'm not sure of is your pace so I assumed 10k pace as its a bit slower than 5k pace but still pushing a bit.  This might be a little fast.  Tony has done this so he'll know.  Suzy will chime in once she gets off the HIM ride.

EDIT:  I can see the confusion because it does say in the definition "at the end of your run" but hen says 2 miles on the chart.  Run it after the the GP and treat as a cool down.

dalessit - 2009-07-28 7:54 PM ugh, just got back from my long run of the week, 12 miles and I ended up walking 4 of them.  Not sure what happened to my ability to handle the heat.  My body pretty much gave up on me about mile 6 and I couldn't run for more than 5 minutes and keep my HR out of zone 4. 

LoL, this time I was prepared.  I had on sunscreen, hat, brought 20oz infinit and 10oz water, gel and sports beans, it was like having a suitcase strapped around my waist but I have wilted in the heat a lot this year so I wanted to make sure that wouldn't happen.

None of that stuff helped, I ate and drank it all and all it did was give me an upset stomach and make me very thirsty..

My long run last week was 11 miles and I felt like I didn't even work out afterwards it was so easy.  Today all I want to do now is go to bed because I feel so awful.

dbw27 - 2009-07-28 7:54 PM What is the 200 sit up challenge?  How do you play?  Can I just do 100?  :-D

Sorry - I have been hanging out on the NYC Tri thread - reading and adding to the forum, especially about the congested bikers.  But it was a fantastic race!  My time was much better than my last Oly wherein I had to go to the bathroom a lot - so working with my sports nutritionist - that problem was fixed.  BUT when I looked at everyone else's times and how fast they were - well then I started to feel bad and keep thinking about how to improve.  But that is good right?

I really love this sport.  How do I get faster? :-)

A friend at the tri sports store around here suggesed I join another team aside from Team in Training.  He wants me to join a team where I can actually get 'good'.  I am seriously considering it. What do you guys think?

dbw27

dbw27 - 2009-07-28 9:54 PM What is the 200 sit up challenge?  How do you play?  Can I just do 100?  :-D

Sorry - I have been hanging out on the NYC Tri thread - reading and adding to the forum, especially about the congested bikers.  But it was a fantastic race!  My time was much better than my last Oly wherein I had to go to the bathroom a lot - so working with my sports nutritionist - that problem was fixed.  BUT when I looked at everyone else's times and how fast they were - well then I started to feel bad and keep thinking about how to improve.  But that is good right?

I really love this sport.  How do I get faster? :-)

A friend at the tri sports store around here suggesed I join another team aside from Team in Training.  He wants me to join a team where I can actually get 'good'.  I am seriously considering it. What do you guys think?

dbw27