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The main thing I want to tackle in November is my fear of long runs.  I've never been a fan of them, but I've got to get mentally tougher if I want to have a solid marathon.

OK, I want you to say more about this.  You are such a strong runner--where does the fear part come in?  I think a lot of us can feel that, but I think it might be helpful for some less experienced runners to hear you explain that a bit more if you can.

I often can have some fear of certain workouts too.  I never used to fear injury, but now that is often on my mind.  I can also have some trepidation that  I just won't be able to complete something that I feel/think I should--that I'll basically just wimp out.  It doesn't happen often, but it happens enough that it's a little voice

 

2) I got injured after my first 18 mile run.  I thought it was a stress fracture, but it was just severe tendonitis.  Since then I've associated runs at that distance or longer with that pain.

 

You're not going to hit your numbers.  Hell, you're not even going to finish this run.  It's over! You're not going to meet your goal on race day!  It's all too hard!  Look at your pace dropping! You're going to fail!  Quit now!  Stick to 5 and 10K's.  You're better at those anyway. 

 

My last long run (11 miles, June 2011) my previously-unharmed left knee started swelling up.  Ortho, cortisone, PT, finally a scope...never quite fixed it, whatever "it" is (which still hasn't been made very clear to me).  So, yeah, I share that fear.

I think there's also an intimidation factor about going past 10Ks for most people.  When I first tackled the HM distance, it was a REAL stretch for me even though I had been running for 25 years.  Well, there's "running" to stay in shape (which is what I had been doing), and "running" as in "training for an HM".  Two completely different activities.  The initial shock of "OMG, I have run HOW far in a training run??" can be a little overwhelming.

 



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The main thing I want to tackle in November is my fear of long runs.  I've never been a fan of them, but I've got to get mentally tougher if I want to have a solid marathon.

OK, I want you to say more about this.  You are such a strong runner--where does the fear part come in?  I think a lot of us can feel that, but I think it might be helpful for some less experienced runners to hear you explain that a bit more if you can.

I often can have some fear of certain workouts too.  I never used to fear injury, but now that is often on my mind.  I can also have some trepidation that  I just won't be able to complete something that I feel/think I should--that I'll basically just wimp out.  It doesn't happen often, but it happens enough that it's a little voice

 

2) I got injured after my first 18 mile run.  I thought it was a stress fracture, but it was just severe tendonitis.  Since then I've associated runs at that distance or longer with that pain.

 

You're not going to hit your numbers.  Hell, you're not even going to finish this run.  It's over! You're not going to meet your goal on race day!  It's all too hard!  Look at your pace dropping! You're going to fail!  Quit now!  Stick to 5 and 10K's.  You're better at those anyway. 

 

My last long run (11 miles, June 2011) my previously-unharmed left knee started swelling up.  Ortho, cortisone, PT, finally a scope...never quite fixed it, whatever "it" is (which still hasn't been made very clear to me).  So, yeah, I share that fear.

I think there's also an intimidation factor about going past 10Ks for most people.  When I first tackled the HM distance, it was a REAL stretch for me even though I had been running for 25 years.  Well, there's "running" to stay in shape (which is what I had been doing), and "running" as in "training for an HM".  Two completely different activities.  The initial shock of "OMG, I have run HOW far in a training run??" can be a little overwhelming.

 

Ahhh, so much room for mental challenges of all kinds in this sport.  Acknowledging ones fears/hesitations and then responding wisely isn't always easy and has been my downfall. I didn't start running until I was in my 40's and was/am slow. Since I seemed to be destined to be a BOP'er I decided that I might not be fast but could suffer for long periods of time. I kind of like those long, miserable runs slogs and got away with it for a while. Ramped up to my first marathon too quickly and walked the last 6 miles of MCM because my knee blew up...patellar femoral instability. Anyhoo a few years later, including another marathon attempt where I didn't even make it to the starting line....and the knee is good but the lumbar spine is grumpy. I'm hoping to run NYC marathon next year (I have a guaranteed entry that will expire in '14) IF I can get some winter run base and dedicate the proper time to training. Time will tell. I've learned a lot the last few years. Putting the learning into practice....hmmm working on it.  

Hope everyone has some great, smart training this weekend. And good luck to those racing!

 



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Good luck to racers this weekend!

I'm hanging out at the house waiting for Terminix to show. So far he is over an hour late (after the two hour window they gave us) and watching my window for a swim tick away. Having a pretty good nutritional day. Easy to do when you are doing yard work all morning.

I have the same problem several others have given about not eating enough during the day and then too much in the evening. One thing that has helped me significantly is to get rid of all low fat versions of things. It helps me get more calories earlier in the day without having to carve out more time to eat. The fat helps keep me fuller too. I like the suggestion to make breakfast a priority too. I've always been a breakfast person, but generally cereal or coffee and a bagel. Better breakfasts of last have helped--eggs and oatmeal are common around here now...sometimes bacon (for the protein, of course).

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Originally posted by drfoodlove Good luck to racers this weekend!

I'm hanging out at the house waiting for Terminix to show. So far he is over an hour late (after the two hour window they gave us) and watching my window for a swim tick away. Having a pretty good nutritional day. Easy to do when you are doing yard work all morning.

I have the same problem several others have given about not eating enough during the day and then too much in the evening. One thing that has helped me significantly is to get rid of all low fat versions of things. It helps me get more calories earlier in the day without having to carve out more time to eat. The fat helps keep me fuller too. I like the suggestion to make breakfast a priority too. I've always been a breakfast person, but generally cereal or coffee and a bagel. Better breakfasts of last have helped--eggs and oatmeal are common around here now...sometimes bacon (for the protein, of course).

Without going into full soapbox tinfoil hat mode here, that's a good idea.  When I see "Low Fat", I think..."we've added sugar in this so you don't notice".

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Walked a 5k fun run this morning with my friend. It was so great to see how excited she was to finish it and get an event shirt and finishers medal. What was even better is that she was picking off people that she was not going to let beat her and ran a couple of small parts of it without any encouraging from me at all.

She said it will be the first of many more which is great! Up until 12 months ago this girl had a severe hatred for exercise, in the last 12 months she has lost over 30kg (70#) and either walks or rides her bike every day now.
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5-mile PR in the books (well, it couldn't not be a PR, since it's technically the first time I've ever raced at that distance )...conservatively could pace it out to a 10K PR, too, but we'll try to get that later in the month. 

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Good luck today, Salty!



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I think I'm cursed when it comes to running. I've been at this for 12 weeks and I'm starting to notice improvements....run fitness was starting to come back and my knee hasn't been bothering me too badly. And then -- BAM! My left hamstring starts acting up. I'm not sure what it is, but down toward my knee, where two of the muscles come together, it's been acting as if they're "sticky" and want to cramp up or something. This happened back in April and I ended up taking five months off of running (due to my knee), which makes me think that either something is wrong in there or that I'm doing something to cause the issue....and that just resting is not going to take care of it.

I feel like I've had a very slow build in volume, so I'm inclined to say it's not a "too much, too soon" thing. Really frustrated, but planning to take a couple days off, stretch, foam roll, and ice it....and then see how it is. I thought Friday's ART would take care of it (noticed it first on Wednesday night's run), but no such luck.

Frustrating to be the most fragile (wannabe) runner on the face of the earth

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Nice race Mike!

Nicole--sorry to hear about your knee. I don't have any advice (never had a knee injury), but just wanted to say hang in there.

I blew up the nutrition goal today. Football will probably always be my downfall, but last week I did pretty well. Today I had to wait until after the first games to do my workout. It was too cold before for this cycling wimp, and I simply can't miss my Chargers, even if they did lose another heartbreaker. Usually I do better with nutrition if I train in the morning. I don't want to "ruin my hard work", so I am more mindful of my eating. Today, I basically grazed...ugh. Tomorrow is a new day! On the up side, I did my first brick workout today (1:15 bike, 15min run). Pretty psyched about that, but I'm sure to feel it in the morning.

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Originally posted by ligersandtions Nice race, Mike! I think I'm cursed when it comes to running. I've been at this for 12 weeks and I'm starting to notice improvements....run fitness was starting to come back and my knee hasn't been bothering me too badly. And then -- BAM! My left hamstring starts acting up. I'm not sure what it is, but down toward my knee, where two of the muscles come together, it's been acting as if they're "sticky" and want to cramp up or something. This happened back in April and I ended up taking five months off of running (due to my knee), which makes me think that either something is wrong in there or that I'm doing something to cause the issue....and that just resting is not going to take care of it. I feel like I've had a very slow build in volume, so I'm inclined to say it's not a "too much, too soon" thing. Really frustrated, but planning to take a couple days off, stretch, foam roll, and ice it....and then see how it is. I thought Friday's ART would take care of it (noticed it first on Wednesday night's run), but no such luck. Frustrating to be the most fragile (wannabe) runner on the face of the earth

Nicole, sorry to hear this and can only imagine how frustrated you must be feeling. From what I recall, you've never really had a definitive diagnosis of the problem. Not trying to be an internet doc but perhaps there are more avenues worth exploring to narrow down the issue.  I'm not suggesting that you have to travel to NYC to get access to state of the art care....there are terrific centers in many major cities. If you don't live in or near one, it might be worth finding the closest comprehensive orthopedic center. Link is for the one close to me as an example. Finding a good sports doc and dx is not always easy. I realize I'm probably telling you things you've already thought about...I just know how frustrating it is to struggle with injuries. Good luck.

HSS NYC

 

 

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Originally posted by jmhpsu93

5-mile PR in the books (well, it couldn't not be a PR, since it's technically the first time I've ever raced at that distance )...conservatively could pace it out to a 10K PR, too, but we'll try to get that later in the month. 

Hog Neck Scamper Race Report

Good luck today, Salty!

Gotta love a race called a Scamper. Congrats!

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Originally posted by drfoodlove Nice race Mike!

Nicole--sorry to hear about your knee. I don't have any advice (never had a knee injury), but just wanted to say hang in there.

I blew up the nutrition goal today. Football will probably always be my downfall, but last week I did pretty well. Today I had to wait until after the first games to do my workout. It was too cold before for this cycling wimp, and I simply can't miss my Chargers, even if they did lose another heartbreaker. Usually I do better with nutrition if I train in the morning. I don't want to "ruin my hard work", so I am more mindful of my eating. Today, I basically grazed...ugh. Tomorrow is a new day! On the up side, I did my first brick workout today (1:15 bike, 15min run). Pretty psyched about that, but I'm sure to feel it in the morning.

Gretchen, you weren't alone in the diet fail today. I spent the morning watching the marathon and ate more calories than the top 5 male finishers combined burned running the race. I did manage a short run as a pseudo-penance. It wasn't much of an equalizer but better than nothing.

Good job getting out for your first brick! 



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Originally posted by ligersandtions Nice race, Mike! I think I'm cursed when it comes to running. I've been at this for 12 weeks and I'm starting to notice improvements....run fitness was starting to come back and my knee hasn't been bothering me too badly. And then -- BAM! My left hamstring starts acting up. I'm not sure what it is, but down toward my knee, where two of the muscles come together, it's been acting as if they're "sticky" and want to cramp up or something. This happened back in April and I ended up taking five months off of running (due to my knee), which makes me think that either something is wrong in there or that I'm doing something to cause the issue....and that just resting is not going to take care of it. I feel like I've had a very slow build in volume, so I'm inclined to say it's not a "too much, too soon" thing. Really frustrated, but planning to take a couple days off, stretch, foam roll, and ice it....and then see how it is. I thought Friday's ART would take care of it (noticed it first on Wednesday night's run), but no such luck. Frustrating to be the most fragile (wannabe) runner on the face of the earth

Nicole, sorry to hear this and can only imagine how frustrated you must be feeling. From what I recall, you've never really had a definitive diagnosis of the problem. Not trying to be an internet doc but perhaps there are more avenues worth exploring to narrow down the issue.  I'm not suggesting that you have to travel to NYC to get access to state of the art care....there are terrific centers in many major cities. If you don't live in or near one, it might be worth finding the closest comprehensive orthopedic center. Link is for the one close to me as an example. Finding a good sports doc and dx is not always easy. I realize I'm probably telling you things you've already thought about...I just know how frustrating it is to struggle with injuries. Good luck.

HSS NYC

 

 




You are correct -- I have not had a definitive diagnosis on my knee. I do know that when my hamstring is tight, my knee hurts worse than normal. I'm pretty certain they are related.

Unfortunately, I've been to so many "good" doctors. We've done a number of rounds of physical therapy, had my knee scoped, done the ART thing, multiple MRI's (one before surgery, one after) and everyone has said the same thing: "Your knee looks fine to me. I don't know why you're having problems. I don't know what to recommend that we haven't tried before." So I finally gave up and decided to just run on it.

Clearly it's not working, so I think you're right that I need to start looking again.
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Originally posted by ligersandtions Nice race, Mike! I think I'm cursed when it comes to running. I've been at this for 12 weeks and I'm starting to notice improvements....run fitness was starting to come back and my knee hasn't been bothering me too badly. And then -- BAM! My left hamstring starts acting up. I'm not sure what it is, but down toward my knee, where two of the muscles come together, it's been acting as if they're "sticky" and want to cramp up or something. This happened back in April and I ended up taking five months off of running (due to my knee), which makes me think that either something is wrong in there or that I'm doing something to cause the issue....and that just resting is not going to take care of it. I feel like I've had a very slow build in volume, so I'm inclined to say it's not a "too much, too soon" thing. Really frustrated, but planning to take a couple days off, stretch, foam roll, and ice it....and then see how it is. I thought Friday's ART would take care of it (noticed it first on Wednesday night's run), but no such luck. Frustrating to be the most fragile (wannabe) runner on the face of the earth

Nicole, sorry to hear this and can only imagine how frustrated you must be feeling. From what I recall, you've never really had a definitive diagnosis of the problem. Not trying to be an internet doc but perhaps there are more avenues worth exploring to narrow down the issue.  I'm not suggesting that you have to travel to NYC to get access to state of the art care....there are terrific centers in many major cities. If you don't live in or near one, it might be worth finding the closest comprehensive orthopedic center. Link is for the one close to me as an example. Finding a good sports doc and dx is not always easy. I realize I'm probably telling you things you've already thought about...I just know how frustrating it is to struggle with injuries. Good luck.

HSS NYC

 

 

You are correct -- I have not had a definitive diagnosis on my knee. I do know that when my hamstring is tight, my knee hurts worse than normal. I'm pretty certain they are related. Unfortunately, I've been to so many "good" doctors. We've done a number of rounds of physical therapy, had my knee scoped, done the ART thing, multiple MRI's (one before surgery, one after) and everyone has said the same thing: "Your knee looks fine to me. I don't know why you're having problems. I don't know what to recommend that we haven't tried before." So I finally gave up and decided to just run on it. Clearly it's not working, so I think you're right that I need to start looking again.

Nicole,

We haven't 'met', I'm new to the Challenge.  I just wanted to throw my experience at you for what it's worth.  I ruptured my ACL 10+ years ago.  Misdiagnosed initially, to the point that by the time it was correctly diagnosed, the surgeon told me that if I had been participating in sports up to that point, no point in surgery.  I know that when my gracilis and my vastus medialis get tight, my knee gets wonky.  It feels 'loose', like my thigh is not connected to my lower leg, and it is sore.  Foam rolling those muscles as well as my IT band helps.  Not sure if it will help you, but worth a try.

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Originally posted by ligersandtions Nice race, Mike! I think I'm cursed when it comes to running. I've been at this for 12 weeks and I'm starting to notice improvements....run fitness was starting to come back and my knee hasn't been bothering me too badly. And then -- BAM! My left hamstring starts acting up. I'm not sure what it is, but down toward my knee, where two of the muscles come together, it's been acting as if they're "sticky" and want to cramp up or something. This happened back in April and I ended up taking five months off of running (due to my knee), which makes me think that either something is wrong in there or that I'm doing something to cause the issue....and that just resting is not going to take care of it. I feel like I've had a very slow build in volume, so I'm inclined to say it's not a "too much, too soon" thing. Really frustrated, but planning to take a couple days off, stretch, foam roll, and ice it....and then see how it is. I thought Friday's ART would take care of it (noticed it first on Wednesday night's run), but no such luck. Frustrating to be the most fragile (wannabe) runner on the face of the earth

Nicole, sorry to hear this and can only imagine how frustrated you must be feeling. From what I recall, you've never really had a definitive diagnosis of the problem. Not trying to be an internet doc but perhaps there are more avenues worth exploring to narrow down the issue.  I'm not suggesting that you have to travel to NYC to get access to state of the art care....there are terrific centers in many major cities. If you don't live in or near one, it might be worth finding the closest comprehensive orthopedic center. Link is for the one close to me as an example. Finding a good sports doc and dx is not always easy. I realize I'm probably telling you things you've already thought about...I just know how frustrating it is to struggle with injuries. Good luck.

HSS NYC

 

 

You are correct -- I have not had a definitive diagnosis on my knee. I do know that when my hamstring is tight, my knee hurts worse than normal. I'm pretty certain they are related. Unfortunately, I've been to so many "good" doctors. We've done a number of rounds of physical therapy, had my knee scoped, done the ART thing, multiple MRI's (one before surgery, one after) and everyone has said the same thing: "Your knee looks fine to me. I don't know why you're having problems. I don't know what to recommend that we haven't tried before." So I finally gave up and decided to just run on it. Clearly it's not working, so I think you're right that I need to start looking again.

There are other diagnostic tools to try and they don't necessarily involve a scope. If you were a professional athlete you wouldn't hear the bolded. I realize you've seen lots of "good" docs but they haven't helped you return to reasonable functional status...or given you a reason why they can't. It could be worth finding a nearby center/practice that treats pro-teams (NBA, NFL etc). Even if PT/ART is the right path, it's not all created equal. If it were straight-forward, they'd have fixed it by now. ok, done with being the "noodge." 

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Originally posted by StaceyK Walked a 5k fun run this morning with my friend. It was so great to see how excited she was to finish it and get an event shirt and finishers medal. What was even better is that she was picking off people that she was not going to let beat her and ran a couple of small parts of it without any encouraging from me at all. She said it will be the first of many more which is great! Up until 12 months ago this girl had a severe hatred for exercise, in the last 12 months she has lost over 30kg (70#) and either walks or rides her bike every day now.

This is very cool Stacey.  I am always amazed when people are able to have such a huge life transformation.  Sounds like you've been a good part of her support network--good friend :)

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Originally posted by ligersandtions Nice race, Mike! I think I'm cursed when it comes to running. I've been at this for 12 weeks and I'm starting to notice improvements....run fitness was starting to come back and my knee hasn't been bothering me too badly. And then -- BAM! My left hamstring starts acting up. I'm not sure what it is, but down toward my knee, where two of the muscles come together, it's been acting as if they're "sticky" and want to cramp up or something. This happened back in April and I ended up taking five months off of running (due to my knee), which makes me think that either something is wrong in there or that I'm doing something to cause the issue....and that just resting is not going to take care of it. I feel like I've had a very slow build in volume, so I'm inclined to say it's not a "too much, too soon" thing. Really frustrated, but planning to take a couple days off, stretch, foam roll, and ice it....and then see how it is. I thought Friday's ART would take care of it (noticed it first on Wednesday night's run), but no such luck. Frustrating to be the most fragile (wannabe) runner on the face of the earth

Nicole, sorry to hear this and can only imagine how frustrated you must be feeling. From what I recall, you've never really had a definitive diagnosis of the problem. Not trying to be an internet doc but perhaps there are more avenues worth exploring to narrow down the issue.  I'm not suggesting that you have to travel to NYC to get access to state of the art care....there are terrific centers in many major cities. If you don't live in or near one, it might be worth finding the closest comprehensive orthopedic center. Link is for the one close to me as an example. Finding a good sports doc and dx is not always easy. I realize I'm probably telling you things you've already thought about...I just know how frustrating it is to struggle with injuries. Good luck.

HSS NYC

 

 

You are correct -- I have not had a definitive diagnosis on my knee. I do know that when my hamstring is tight, my knee hurts worse than normal. I'm pretty certain they are related. Unfortunately, I've been to so many "good" doctors. We've done a number of rounds of physical therapy, had my knee scoped, done the ART thing, multiple MRI's (one before surgery, one after) and everyone has said the same thing: "Your knee looks fine to me. I don't know why you're having problems. I don't know what to recommend that we haven't tried before." So I finally gave up and decided to just run on it. Clearly it's not working, so I think you're right that I need to start looking again.

There are other diagnostic tools to try and they don't necessarily involve a scope. If you were a professional athlete you wouldn't hear the bolded. I realize you've seen lots of "good" docs but they haven't helped you return to reasonable functional status...or given you a reason why they can't. It could be worth finding a nearby center/practice that treats pro-teams (NBA, NFL etc). Even if PT/ART is the right path, it's not all created equal. If it were straight-forward, they'd have fixed it by now. ok, done with being the "noodge." 

UGH!  Nicole, I'm so sorry.  I don't have anything to add to these good ideas, but I just wanted to say this SUCKS and I hope, hope, hope it is temporary, and you can get back at it very soon.



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Originally posted by drfoodlove Nice race Mike!

Nicole--sorry to hear about your knee. I don't have any advice (never had a knee injury), but just wanted to say hang in there.

I blew up the nutrition goal today. Football will probably always be my downfall, but last week I did pretty well. Today I had to wait until after the first games to do my workout. It was too cold before for this cycling wimp, and I simply can't miss my Chargers, even if they did lose another heartbreaker. Usually I do better with nutrition if I train in the morning. I don't want to "ruin my hard work", so I am more mindful of my eating. Today, I basically grazed...ugh. Tomorrow is a new day! On the up side, I did my first brick workout today (1:15 bike, 15min run). Pretty psyched about that, but I'm sure to feel it in the morning.

Gretchen, you weren't alone in the diet fail today. I spent the morning watching the marathon and ate more calories than the top 5 male finishers combined burned running the race. I did manage a short run as a pseudo-penance. It wasn't much of an equalizer but better than nothing.

Good job getting out for your first brick! 

Kim, that's hilarious! 

Gretchen, woo-hooo on the brick!  How did your legs feel when you started running?  The first few times I did a brick , I was tripped out by how uncoordinated I felt.

I find weekends are harder in the food department.  Today was my stepfather's 85th birthday and my mom had a lovely brunch at their home done by a chef that they like.  It was crazy good, multiple courses, and great champagne and wine. The portions were relatively small though so even though, so not too, too "bad".  I really feel like a big reason I train is so I can eat good food :)  I love good food. Love it. 

Interestingly, with the big lunch I had today, I had no desire to graze or eat a lot at dinner.  I'll try to keep that in mind as I get into the work week.  I have my lunch packed up and ready to take to work tomorrow.

2013-11-03 9:06 PM
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I'm so sad that I only have a moment to explain mg own thoughts of the weekend. I will address everyone else when I get a few minutes and am not on my phone! My race was amazing. So so so hard though. As on puke/tears/foaming at the mouth grown as women. Its hard to put that in words and hard to quantify. But we earned every moment this weekend. Oh, and I didn't eat sh*t in my spikes (worn for the first time)
2013-11-04 4:32 AM
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Nice race Mike!

Nicole--sorry to hear about your knee. I don't have any advice (never had a knee injury), but just wanted to say hang in there.

I blew up the nutrition goal today. Football will probably always be my downfall, but last week I did pretty well. Today I had to wait until after the first games to do my workout. It was too cold before for this cycling wimp, and I simply can't miss my Chargers, even if they did lose another heartbreaker. Usually I do better with nutrition if I train in the morning. I don't want to "ruin my hard work", so I am more mindful of my eating. Today, I basically grazed...ugh. Tomorrow is a new day! On the up side, I did my first brick workout today (1:15 bike, 15min run). Pretty psyched about that, but I'm sure to feel it in the morning.

im with you Gretchen. After eating an entire family plus size block of chocolate by myself on one day of the weekend I'm thinking that I need to had controlling food to this challenge next fortnight.
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One week into the two week challenge and I can happily report I've been successful most days! I may have actually been too good (yesterday excepted), because I lost 9#. Some of that was probably sodium retention because we had Chinese food the day before my last weigh in, but that loss is too fast--I know it! Hmmm...license to eat more? Score!

How are you all doing looking back over the last week?

Question for the group: I'm headed into my first 3200yd swim today (previous long was 2500yds), and I'm pretty sure it is going to take me at least 1:15, if not 1:30 to finish. I will do it right after my weight session, so I'm thinking I should take in some calories along the way somewhere. I did 1:15 on Saturday and definitely felt a wall around the 1hr mark and the last bit of my workout was pretty miserable. How do you fuel (if you do) during swim workouts? I'm pretty sure my pool won't allow anything like Gu or blocks (or pb&j!). I bought some Gatorade powder this morning, thinking I can sneak it by the lifeguards in my purple water bottle, but looking at it, it only has 130 calories per qt. I'm not sure that is enough, but then Gu only has 100 calories per packet, and I wouldn't eat more than one per session anyway. Thoughts?
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How are you all doing looking back over the last week?


congrats on the food challenge victory, Gretchen

my weekend was busy with yardwork-which is, as you know, TWO four-letter words

skipped the gym as I got my core done outside
I did get a few runs in-trying to push through and stay committed but honestyly will need a break and some downtime soon



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Originally posted by drfoodlove One week into the two week challenge and I can happily report I've been successful most days! I may have actually been too good (yesterday excepted), because I lost 9#. Some of that was probably sodium retention because we had Chinese food the day before my last weigh in, but that loss is too fast--I know it! Hmmm...license to eat more? Score!

How are you all doing looking back over the last week?

Question for the group: I'm headed into my first 3200yd swim today (previous long was 2500yds), and I'm pretty sure it is going to take me at least 1:15, if not 1:30 to finish. I will do it right after my weight session, so I'm thinking I should take in some calories along the way somewhere. I did 1:15 on Saturday and definitely felt a wall around the 1hr mark and the last bit of my workout was pretty miserable. How do you fuel (if you do) during swim workouts? I'm pretty sure my pool won't allow anything like Gu or blocks (or pb&j!). I bought some Gatorade powder this morning, thinking I can sneak it by the lifeguards in my purple water bottle, but looking at it, it only has 130 calories per qt. I'm not sure that is enough, but then Gu only has 100 calories per packet, and I wouldn't eat more than one per session anyway. Thoughts?

Picking up some things to work on with swimming. One is getting more used to swimming faster. Have better swim fitness than some others, but not the skill to fully utilize it at race speeds.

And as for nutrition in a swim, I haven't used anything during a workout. The most I've seen used is a sports drink. Some at masters do for the 1 hr and for the 1.5 hr days. And just a little bit of it at that. Not sure what others at the health club pool use, but not sure how many of them know what they're doing anyway. What are you doing in the weight session? Would think that would have a bigger impact than any nutrition might gain you.

2013-11-04 9:12 AM
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How are you all doing looking back over the last week?
congrats on the food challenge victory, Gretchen my weekend was busy with yardwork-which is, as you know, TWO four-letter words skipped the gym as I got my core done outside I did get a few runs in-trying to push through and stay committed but honestyly will need a break and some downtime soon

Take care of you Dale :)

 

2013-11-04 9:21 AM
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Originally posted by drfoodlove One week into the two week challenge and I can happily report I've been successful most days! I may have actually been too good (yesterday excepted), because I lost 9#. Some of that was probably sodium retention because we had Chinese food the day before my last weigh in, but that loss is too fast--I know it! Hmmm...license to eat more? Score!

How are you all doing looking back over the last week?

Question for the group: I'm headed into my first 3200yd swim today (previous long was 2500yds), and I'm pretty sure it is going to take me at least 1:15, if not 1:30 to finish. I will do it right after my weight session, so I'm thinking I should take in some calories along the way somewhere. I did 1:15 on Saturday and definitely felt a wall around the 1hr mark and the last bit of my workout was pretty miserable. How do you fuel (if you do) during swim workouts? I'm pretty sure my pool won't allow anything like Gu or blocks (or pb&j!). I bought some Gatorade powder this morning, thinking I can sneak it by the lifeguards in my purple water bottle, but looking at it, it only has 130 calories per qt. I'm not sure that is enough, but then Gu only has 100 calories per packet, and I wouldn't eat more than one per session anyway. Thoughts?

Picking up some things to work on with swimming. One is getting more used to swimming faster. Have better swim fitness than some others, but not the skill to fully utilize it at race speeds.

And as for nutrition in a swim, I haven't used anything during a workout. The most I've seen used is a sports drink. Some at masters do for the 1 hr and for the 1.5 hr days. And just a little bit of it at that. Not sure what others at the health club pool use, but not sure how many of them know what they're doing anyway. What are you doing in the weight session? Would think that would have a bigger impact than any nutrition might gain you.

Ben's in!  Nice.

Would you elaborate on what you're going to do with your swimming?  Curious minds want to know;)

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Gretchen-- 9lbs!  What the heck?  I didn't even know that was possible.  Wonderful that you are losing, but be careful :)

Some swimmers I know bring a bottle with some sort of energy drink--Cytomax is one that an ex-D1 friend of mine swears by. I have used it and don't mind the taste.  I have a hard time with Gatorade. 

I never thought I would say this but...

I wonder if something like (deep breath) chocolate milk might be good to drink right after the weights?  After weight training something with protein and carbs would be good, and a few more carbs (like from the sugar in chocolate milk as opposed to regular milk) might be good  since you are going straight to swimming.  Also, since it's a drink, your body won't have to divert a lot of blood to your gut to digest. Just spit ballin here...would love to have others weigh in on this.

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Originally posted by Asalzwed I'm so sad that I only have a moment to explain mg own thoughts of the weekend. I will address everyone else when I get a few minutes and am not on my phone! My race was amazing. So so so hard though. As on puke/tears/foaming at the mouth grown as women. Its hard to put that in words and hard to quantify. But we earned every moment this weekend. Oh, and I didn't eat sh*t in my spikes (worn for the first time)

The suspense is freakin killing me!  Details please :)

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