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Mike Shannahan, Washington
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Leslie Fraiser, Minnesota

2013-12-30 8:47 AM
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Looks like Shanahan is taking 3rd.


2013-12-30 10:51 AM
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Down goes Schiano. He's someone I wanted fired even though I have no interest in TB whatsoever.
2013-12-30 11:05 AM
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Schwartz too.
2013-12-30 11:05 AM
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And Schwartz in Detroit makes #6
2013-12-30 11:51 AM
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Any reaches we hadn't considered? San Diego is always good for a stupid undeserved coach firing.

I wonder about Tom Coughlin and the Giants or Jeff Fisher and the Rams.
2013-12-30 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by JoshR Down goes Schiano. He's someone I wanted fired even though I have no interest in TB whatsoever.

Watching Schiano's hangdog attitude in interviews for the past few weeks, he must have known he was a dead man walking.  Rumors were swirling last week that he was inquiring about some possible college openings (including Penn State).

I'd speculate that the Glazers will give take a hard look at Lovie Smith based on his time in Tampa as part of Dungy's staff. 

Mark



2013-12-30 12:11 PM
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New question then, out of all of the openings now, which is the best?

I'd say TB. They have a solid offense with Martin returning, Jackson, Underwood and Wright both showed some potential and Glennon seems like he could be good. On defense they also have some good playmakers like Lavonte David who is massively underrated.
2013-12-30 12:22 PM
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New question then, out of all of the openings now, which is the best?

I'd say TB. They have a solid offense with Martin returning, Jackson, Underwood and Wright both showed some potential and Glennon seems like he could be good. On defense they also have some good playmakers like Lavonte David who is massively underrated.


Houston is certainly the best opportunity. They have the players, just need a QB and they have the first pick. Tough to beat that.
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Originally posted by JoshR New question then, out of all of the openings now, which is the best? I'd say TB. They have a solid offense with Martin returning, Jackson, Underwood and Wright both showed some potential and Glennon seems like he could be good. On defense they also have some good playmakers like Lavonte David who is massively underrated.

You really think that's a better situation than Detroit, which has a near-elite offense with CJ healthy, and at least as many "playmakers" on defense? Seems like a whole lot of talent just begging for leadership.

BTW, the FB (anti-Bama) rumors have started: Saban to the Lions!

2013-12-30 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by JoshR New question then, out of all of the openings now, which is the best? I'd say TB. They have a solid offense with Martin returning, Jackson, Underwood and Wright both showed some potential and Glennon seems like he could be good. On defense they also have some good playmakers like Lavonte David who is massively underrated.

You really think that's a better situation than Detroit, which has a near-elite offense with CJ healthy, and at least as many "playmakers" on defense? Seems like a whole lot of talent just begging for leadership.

BTW, the FB (anti-Bama) rumors have started: Saban to the Lions!




Because we all know how well Saban and the NFL worked out last time...
2013-12-30 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by pitt83 Because we all know how well Saban and the NFL worked out last time...
That's part of the rationale given by the rumormongers: the unfulfilled quest, the challenge to the Saban-ego. Not much of a possibility IMHO though I don't know what else he has to accomplish at Bama.



2013-12-30 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by JoshR New question then, out of all of the openings now, which is the best? I'd say TB. They have a solid offense with Martin returning, Jackson, Underwood and Wright both showed some potential and Glennon seems like he could be good. On defense they also have some good playmakers like Lavonte David who is massively underrated.

 

If I were a head coach candidate, I'd probably make a decision based on the ownership situation rather than the potential talent in the locker room. 

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Originally posted by the bear

Originally posted by JoshR New question then, out of all of the openings now, which is the best? I'd say TB. They have a solid offense with Martin returning, Jackson, Underwood and Wright both showed some potential and Glennon seems like he could be good. On defense they also have some good playmakers like Lavonte David who is massively underrated.

You really think that's a better situation than Detroit, which has a near-elite offense with CJ healthy, and at least as many "playmakers" on defense? Seems like a whole lot of talent just begging for leadership.

BTW, the FB (anti-Bama) rumors have started: Saban to the Lions!




I'd pick TB over Detroit, but I forgot about Houston. I'd take Houston over both. Then again, no one is knocking on my door for an interview.
2013-12-30 1:02 PM
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Originally posted by pitt83 Because we all know how well Saban and the NFL worked out last time...
That's part of the rationale given by the rumormongers: the unfulfilled quest, the challenge to the Saban-ego. Not much of a possibility IMHO though I don't know what else he has to accomplish at Bama.

I can't imagine Saban going anywhere unless he had total control, i.e., all coaching & personnel decisions.  That would certainly cut down the list of possibilities.  Money's certainly not an issue for him anymore (except for ego gratification).  From some of the articles that have been published recently it seems his wife would have some serious input on any job decision.  I wouldn't be surprised if he finished a couple more seasons at UA and then just walked away.

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2013-12-30 1:06 PM
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Originally posted by RedCorvette

Originally posted by JoshR New question then, out of all of the openings now, which is the best? I'd say TB. They have a solid offense with Martin returning, Jackson, Underwood and Wright both showed some potential and Glennon seems like he could be good. On defense they also have some good playmakers like Lavonte David who is massively underrated.

 

If I were a head coach candidate, I'd probably make a decision based on the ownership situation rather than the potential talent in the locker room. 

Mark

Exactly. Given enough time, you can amass talent on your own. But you can not replace the short sighted egomaniac that hired you. So, the list of undesirable jobs starts in Washington.

2013-12-30 3:10 PM
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New question then, out of all of the openings now, which is the best?


The Browns. We always have high draft picks. There is longevity in the coaching position. We have a strong starting QB.

Oh wait, sorry, I was daydreaming again. Never mind.


2013-12-30 8:49 PM
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If I had my choice of NFL jobs, the things I'd look closely at is the strength of the division, current talent that will be around for 2-3 years, draft picks available, and salary cap issues.  The thing about the NFL is that teams can go from good to bad, or bad to good in a hurry mostly because of salary cap issues and lack of or poor draft choices.

Houston is probably the best choice due to a weak division, good current talent, and the #1 pick...but their salary cap situation is not ideal.  Lots of money tied into Schaub, Foster, Johnson, Joseph, and Brown.   JJ Watt will be looking for a new contract as well.  Luckily for Houston, the #1 pick no longer comes with a $70 million contract and $50 million guaranteed.  There is a win now requirement that comes with the job though.

I think Detroits job is a little overrated.  They also suffer from huge salary cap issues.  $50 million tied up between Stafford, Suh, and Johnson alone.  Certainly they are good players, but they need to carry their load as the rest of the team suffers with less money to go around.  Still a better than average job, but comes with the expectations of winning now.  7-9 or 8-8 isn't going to cut it.

Tampa and Cleveland aren't so bad IMO.  Draft picks and cap room.  Their divisions are tough, especially Tampa's, but a couple of 7-9 seasons to start out shouldn't get you fired.  You have time to build these teams up, and we all know that in the NFL, it's not often that teams stay at the top long.  San Fran, Seattle, Denver, New Orleans, Kansas City, and Carolina all have had losing seasons recently and all but New Orleans has had a recent coaching change.

 

2013-12-30 9:10 PM
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Originally posted by Jason N...and all but New Orleans has had a recent coaching change.

 

So you don't consider last year (only losing season in the past six) a coaching change?
2013-12-30 10:07 PM
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With all the picks that Cleveland has, I think that would be a nice spot to coach.    Really the team showed a lot after the Richardson deal.     Surprised the coach was canned.     So with the picks and a good core, it would be fun to mold them into a winner.      Need that franchise QB tho

2013-12-31 2:17 PM
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Originally posted by Jason N...and all but New Orleans has had a recent coaching change.

 

So you don't consider last year (only losing season in the past six) a coaching change?

What difference does it make whether I consider it a coaching change or not?  My point is simply that teams that are really bad now can turn into really good teams in 2-3 years.  Potential hires for head coaching jobs in the NFL shouldn't be scared of taking over a team that's bad now...so long as they have draft picks and cap room. 

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