How important is bilateral breathing? Do you do it? (Page 2)
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Not a whole lot to add to what has been discussed pretty well already aside from my own experiences. I do bilaterally breathe. When swimming at a comfortable pace, I breathe on every third stroke. If I am pushing I breathe on every other stroke, or just on one side. I do try to switch which side I am breathing on every 25 to 50 yards though. I find that if I am breathing only on one side, that I run the risk of neck problems. My chiropractor is happy to have me as a client. Breathing on both sides evens out the stress on the neck/shoulder muscles on both sides, not just one, which can put my neck out of whack. I've also found that I tend to drift more breathing on one side than the other. I don't remember which side, but to keep going in a pretty straight line (aside from sighting) I switch every 25 to 50 yards like I said above. Lastly, as well as to avoid the sun or waves, it also helps to be able to see the people around you. Maybe there is somebody that you could draft off of right next to you... on the opposite side that you are breathing on and you might not know it. So those are my thoughts. It took a little practice, but I've found that it paid off. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I really appreciate everyone's experiences and recommendations! I will definitely work on it. I know I can feel myself pulling farther on the non-breathing side. I don't want one arm to get longer than the other! LOL But knowing I already have a rotator cuff issue makes me see the benefit of bilateral breathing. I have a chiropractor and my neck was out of wack last time I went. And I've been doing a lot of swimming over the past month. Coincidence? There are just SO MANY things to work on! But this is too much fun to be exercise, and I'm lovin it!!! It can only get better from here... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm in the "it's useful" camp, and breathe usually every 3rd. I would add that in addition to all the other reasons (sun, waves, etc), that flexibility in breathing has led me to some great breakthroughs. I have found that I can breathe every 5 strokes when I am fresh, for a while anyway, and that really speeds things up! Or, when I am sprinting and every 3 isn't enough, I switch to every other. Basically, I breathe when I need to and thus I need to have access to air on both sides. Just wanted to add that... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If you really want something to work on, try looking up and sighting while you're in the pool. Find something at the end of the pool to look for (clock, water bottle) and practice finding it. This is done when you breathe, so that's why I bring it up... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bigfuzzydoug - 2009-08-17 8:03 AM To me, swimming is about balance. You're in a medium that requires excellent balance to stay in the proper form. To that end, I think it's very important to be able to breathe from both sides. It aids in balance as well as sighting. I always breathe bilterally. But I don't think it's absolutely required. Breathing to one side for 15 strokes (one pool length) and then switching to the other is perfectly fine. Just so long as you're able to keep the same pace while breathing to either side and sim in a strcight line while breathing to either side - which would mean... balance! ![]() Why does alternating the side you breathe on aid in "balance"? I accept alot of the arguments for bilateral breathing, but this one strikes me as bogus. If you breathe (bilaterally) on every stroke, you're overbreathing (and almost certainly slowing yourself down). If you breath every third stroke, you're just interrupting your pure stroke mechanics 33% more often than is someone like me who breathes on one side only on every fourth breath. If "balance" were the objective, we'd lift our heads and breathe to the front. Done properly, breathing in freestyle (front crawl) is just an adjunct to rotation...if you are rotating correctly and timing your breathing properly, there should be no real impact on balance in the water. Bilateral breathing has some likely advantages, but they are mostly (from the evidence I've seen) preventative: Mostly amounting to a possible reduction in overuse injuries. For most all beginners, there are (as others have said) lots more important things to work on in swimming than fighting through a dominant breathing side for the sake of acquiring bilateral breathing. |
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![]() tcovert - 2009-08-17 2:13 PM Bigfuzzydoug - 2009-08-17 8:03 AM To me, swimming is about balance. You're in a medium that requires excellent balance to stay in the proper form. To that end, I think it's very important to be able to breathe from both sides. It aids in balance as well as sighting. I always breathe bilterally. But I don't think it's absolutely required. Breathing to one side for 15 strokes (one pool length) and then switching to the other is perfectly fine. Just so long as you're able to keep the same pace while breathing to either side and sim in a strcight line while breathing to either side - which would mean... balance! ![]() Why does alternating the side you breathe on aid in "balance"? I accept alot of the arguments for bilateral breathing, but this one strikes me as bogus. If you breathe (bilaterally) on every stroke, you're overbreathing (and almost certainly slowing yourself down). If you breath every third stroke, you're just interrupting your pure stroke mechanics 33% more often than is someone like me who breathes on one side only on every fourth breath. If "balance" were the objective, we'd lift our heads and breathe to the front. Done properly, breathing in freestyle (front crawl) is just an adjunct to rotation...if you are rotating correctly and timing your breathing properly, there should be no real impact on balance in the water. Bilateral breathing has some likely advantages, but they are mostly (from the evidence I've seen) preventative: Mostly amounting to a possible reduction in overuse injuries. For most all beginners, there are (as others have said) lots more important things to work on in swimming than fighting through a dominant breathing side for the sake of acquiring bilateral breathing. I think it does. I've had swim coaches look at my stroke and they note that my stroke is more balanced when I breathe bilaterally than when I breathe on one side. In a perfect world, rotating to breathe would not affect stroke mechanics, but I think I've yet to see anyone be able to breathe and not have their mechanics affected in some way. Just my amateur opinion, of course |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Im trying to learn to bilaterally breathe along with learning how to swim as well since my body roll is horribly off if i dont and it lead to some serious shoulder aches and pains. It's definately helped my form. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bilateral breathing isn't necessary to swim either straight or fast. Whether the advantage of sighting or wave avoidance is important enough to learn this is (IMO) up to each individual. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Daremo - 2009-08-17 9:52 AM Necessary? Not really. Good idea? Definitely. Rick nailed it. If you watch the ows pros, especially in a distance races (check out Jen Schumacher on youtube) you'll see that they ALL breathe on the two. More air is better, period. Especially in Tris, check out the kona swim footage. Everyone breathes on the two, and have unbalanced strokes. But to Rick, and a couple other peoples' points, you have to have that other side breathing in your arsenal. If you're starting a race and get a facefull of water, or waves preclude a right breath, you need to go left on the next stroke. Especially in the swim, where a mouthful of water could be as benign as spitting it out and moving along, or as bad as taking that water down. Gotta have it. |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hello, I'm a swimmer who is just getting started in triathlon. I've done a bunch of ow races. I breathe every third stroke, in the pool and in the ocean - unless I'm sprinting or if the waves are coming from one direction and inhibiting my breathing. I didn't always , though. I developed the sill as an adult (after having swum competetively in hs & college). I started by forcing myself to breath to my left (less dominant side) every other length. It was awkward at first but as with everything else once you develop the muscle memory - its a cinch. I think it's much easier on my neck & shoulders for long practice sessions. It also really helps my cadence. As I swim I'm chanting in my head 1,2, 3 (gasp) 1, 2, 3 .... I've also learned to kick with each stroke which has proven to be really efficient for long swims. as Dory says "just keep swimming, swimming, swimming..." |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I could only breathe on the right when I started triathlon training. Mostly due to advice here on BT, I forced myself to learn to breathe on the left as well. My training time is split 50-50, one length of the pool breathing on the right, one length on the left. In races, it's pretty much back to my comfort zone on the right side. Anything that adds to you swimming skills will help you feel more confident in the water and be better prepared to deal with any circumstances that arise in a race. |
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Buttercup ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() maria40nc - 2009-08-17 4:44 PM
I will definitely work on it. I know I can feel myself pulling farther on the non-breathing side. I don't want one arm to get longer than the other! LOL Since you are a beginner swimmer, it's too early for you to have developed a dominant side. Also, consider the potential path of an OWS. Suppose you are swimming out, then turning left, then turning towards shore. Under placid conditions, breathing only to your right might pose no problems at all. Throw in choppy conditions and you may be taking a face full of wave every time you turn to breathe to your right. But, being the wise and well-conditioned swimmer you have become, you easily solve this problem by breathing to your left. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If you are prone to neck issues, as I am, then bilateral breathing during PRACTICE becomes important. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() That was a hell of an email, Sir...(hehehe!...just kidding). Im turning 50, so, I sort of understand where you are coming from. Ive been a jock all of my life too, but I never reached the heights that you did (judging from your tri-performances, certainly). But I too have been a runner, biker, all of my life, and in the last year, tri guy (wont use "triathlete" designation yet - need to suffer a bit more to earn that designation, in my opinion) There is an end game. And we all have one. For me, competing in Sprints will eventually get me to the point where I can do Olympic tris, and I have the next 10 months or so fairly well blocked out, knowing all along that any slight injury will derail me...but the difference between now and 20-25 years ago, is that I am competing against who I am today....TODAY....not before a multitude of injuries, and the wear and tear of a body that simpy wont fire on all cylinders anymore...some of the cylinders are simply done..but the ones that are still firing, I'm lubing and cleaning and doing what I can to maintain!!! You know what Teddy Roosevelt said...about the man in the ring, who refuses to give in...I think for the older athlete, we all need to deal with the fact that with exception of the slight gains that we might experience in our heads as we move into a new age group, the inevitable direction is of decline. I AM DETERMINED TO EMBRACE THIS AND ACCEPT IT, and to not let it get me down....I'd rather be out there giving it what I have with what little I may have remaining, than to walk away from it entirely. I won't quit until they carry me away. You sound a lot like me...we probably won't do well if we are invalids....I have even told my wife that...if something goes really wrong, Im probably a goner, because constant motion, physical activity, and ENJOYING BEING EXHAUSTED WITH PHYSICAL EXERTION, is ingrained in me. So, might as well embrace it, and carefully work with that attidude to minimize and avoid injuries for as long as possible, and to just do what you can , with what you have. I wish you luck...and I hope that you find Peace in your search for that fine line between obsession and just feeling damn good physically without going overboard. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() You know...To the people that knocked my advice and said that I was most likely an older swimmer...I am 29 and am on pace to go sub 2 hrs next year if my run training goes to plan...I can easily swim a sub 20 min 1500m so I think I know what I am talking about...train bilateral and race however you want...Just my 2 cents... At the end of the day though it takes a lot of yardage to become a great swimmer-I used to average 30-40 thousand meters a week in the pool...thats how you really get the times down. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks again everyone. Great responses! I did give it a go this morning just during the warm up laps. I tried breathing to my right (non-dominant side) for a few laps, then I tried bilateral breathing. It wasn't too bad... just need practice. It feels like trying to force yourself to write left-handed when you are right-handed! Since I'm a relatively new swimmer, incorporating it now will make it a habit. I like the idea of doing it in practice and racing however it feels natural. And by the way... I swam my first non-stop 1 mile block this morning!!! Edited by maria40nc 2009-08-19 9:38 AM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm am like a fish breathing out of my right side, however I'm like a retard breathing out of my left. I've been working on it doing 100 meters on my left, and 100 meters bilateral. Its slowly helping. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() You've heard enough about being able to deal with chop/sun/bouys on your dominant or off side where bilateral breathing can be your "ace in the hole." You mentioned a shoulder injury. If you breathe to the right, and your left shoulder is injured, breathing to the left will most likely reduce the stress on your bum shoulder. Why? If you lift your head even a little, you tend to compensate by making a deeper arm pull (you're trying to get/keep your head out of the water). When your hand is farther away from your chest, the forces through your shoulder increase. By breathing to the side that is injured, you remove this stress. Now if you're purely rotating and your arm stroke is flawless, you won't gain anything by breathing to the other side. If you already breathe to the injured side, be careful trying the non-dominant side for exactly the reasons above. You don't want to do more damage to your shoulder as you work through the learning process. Another motivator: By slowing down and focusing on the non-dominant side, you'll become more aware of subtle changes and how they either help or hurt your performance. You may discover how much you lift rather than rotate. You may discover how deep your pull is. I started breathing on both sides a few years ago (like...1981...) when I was teaching swim lessons. I wanted to be able to show kids how it should look for them and not just "like this, only a mirror image..." I usually breathe every other cycle (4 arm pulls), to the left on the "down" part of the lap and to the right on the "back" part. If I'm trying to do a fast set, I'll breathe every third pull. If you have a race coming up, learning bilateral breathing may be a distraction. Save it for the off-season when you aren't focused on a great workout/race. Trying a 100 yards during warmup/cooldown (as long as it doesn't hurt your shoulder more) is probably a good way to start. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Great advice McFuzz! I'm not sure if the shoulder injury is hampering me. I do feel/hear a bit of a grind with certain exercises or weight lifts. It doesn't hurt, but the grind makes me want to hold back at times. My collar bone/clavicle is slightly moved out of place. I did feel I was struggling to lift my head up enough for air on the right. I read your post a couple fo times; it was very helpful and seemed right on (as if you had been watching me swim!). My next race is September 12, which will be first open water. But it will be a nice calm lake with no men to run me over, so hopefully will be a good experience. Thanks for all the advice/recommendations. There are so many things to work on. But it's all good and I'm lovin it! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DanielG - 2009-08-17 9:03 AMThere are a few really good reasons to do it, the sun is right on one side of you and it's blinding, waves are kinda breaking on one side of you, it would be a good thing if you had the choice of which side to breathe on. This. I've just started bilateral breathing a few weeks ago for just this reason. I can only train swimming in the ocean, usually at sunrise, so teaching myself to breath on the right has been a big help when the sun is bright or there's a bit of surface chop. I think it's helping to even out my pull too. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DEMIGODKNIGHT - 2009-08-19 10:28 AM You know...To the people that knocked my advice and said that I was most likely an older swimmer...I am 29 and am on pace to go sub 2 hrs next year if my run training goes to plan...I can easily swim a sub 20 min 1500m so I think I know what I am talking about...train bilateral and race however you want...Just my 2 cents... At the end of the day though it takes a lot of yardage to become a great swimmer-I used to average 30-40 thousand meters a week in the pool...thats how you really get the times down. If you went to nationals ~13 years ago, then you have both the genetic capacity and training mechanics to be in the upper 1% of triathlon swimming, if not higher. I would take your swimming advice over the common weekend warrior who just started swimming because of interest in competing in multisport. I think folks were alarmed by your statement to "hold your breath." I understood where you were coming from. Because much of triathlon is performed aerobically, your "holding breath" statement might have been misconstrued. However, an expert swimmer isn't necessarily "holding his or her breath." Instead, that swimmer is likely swimming aerobically while the rest of us mere mortals would need to hold our breath to mimic your stroke pattern (or get to your level by practicing hundreds to thousands of miles). |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DEMIGODKNIGHT - 2009-08-19 10:28 AM You know...To the people that knocked my advice and said that I was most likely an older swimmer...I am 29 and am on pace to go sub 2 hrs next year if my run training goes to plan...I can easily swim a sub 20 min 1500m so I think I know what I am talking about...train bilateral and race however you want...Just my 2 cents... At the end of the day though it takes a lot of yardage to become a great swimmer-I used to average 30-40 thousand meters a week in the pool...thats how you really get the times down. Sounds like you are very good swimmer and on your way to becoming a solid triathlete. I have swam with numerous very good swimmers as well and some breathe bilateral and some breathe every other stroke. When I have seen coaches recommend bilateral breathing it is usually as a result of shoulder issues or if the swimmer has an uneven stroke and bilateral breathing will assist in correcting this. I would recommend that triathletes know how to bilateral breathe as it can assist in races (waves, sun, sighting, etc) but I do not think it is necessary to bilateral breathe in training or races. I would recommend you breathe however you are most comfortable unless it is for a specific issue you have with your stroke or injury related. Edited by docswim24 2009-08-19 1:01 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't but not bilateral breathing has caused my stroke to be unbalanced. When I make myself my swim coach says my stroke is much better. Now I have 6 years of ingrained crappy technique to work on improving. If I has started bilateral breathing back in '04 I could avoid all this work. |
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Iron Donkey![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The two questions in the Subject line seem mutually exclusive, at least to me. |
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