14 year old shoots intruder

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Good on the kid for knowing what to do and protecting his siblings.

Good on the parents for training the kid properly.

And you have got to be kidding me?!?! Feeling bad about the guy getting shot and wondering if he was armed or not?!?!

Sorry but if you break into someone else's house you deserve whatever you get. Should the kid wait until the guy has killed one sibling and is raping the other before he decides that this guy isn't just after a dvd player?

Sucks that the kid was put in that position but good for him that the outcome was in his favor.

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pitt83 - 2012-12-18 11:32 AM
So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection?

1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun
2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments?
3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed?
4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this?
5.) You think this was a good idea?

Wow. just. wow.

You might want to re-read federal law about firearms before you post definitives that are not true.

The only laws that were broken were the ones committed by the thief.

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I love reading discussions where everyone is talking past each other.

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JoshR - 2012-12-18 10:52 AM I love reading discussions where everyone is talking past each other.

Sure, I'd love a sandwich.

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JoshR - 2012-12-18 10:52 AM I love reading discussions where everyone is talking past each other.

Sure, I'd love a sandwich.

You ate the whole wheel of cheese? How'd you do that? Heck, I'm not even mad; that's amazing. How 'bout we get you in your p.j.'s and we hit the hay.

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Wasn't so lucky for this man's grand daughter last week

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/12/11/man-shoots-granddaughter-t...

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drewb8 - 2012-12-18 11:53 AM

JoshR - 2012-12-18 10:52 AM I love reading discussions where everyone is talking past each other.

Sure, I'd love a sandwich.

Mine tasted like crow.

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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-18 9:04 AM The only question I have is that the headline says the intruder was armed, but the article doesn’t mention anything about the intruder having a weapon. Regardless, personally, I have no problem with it. It’s not as though the intruder was out on the front lawn and the kid shot at him through the window. He forced open the door and came into the house. In general, I wouldn’t be in favor of parents leaving their unsecured guns in the hands of their teenagers when no adult supervision was around. I think there’s waaay more bad that can come from that than good, but in this case it worked out for the best. Good for the parents for ensuring that the kid was well-trained,and I'm sorry for whatever trauma the kid and his siblings suffered as a result.

I couldn't agree more.

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running2far - 2012-12-18 12:54 PM Wasn't so lucky for this man's grand daughter last week http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/12/11/man-shoots-granddaughter-t...

this is unfortunately what usually happens

there is a reason that the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends NO GUNS IN THE HOME - not even locked up.

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pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:54 AM

r1237h - 2012-12-18 11:49 AM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:32 AM So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

The owner of the gun is still the father, so the law was not broken. Not saying that I would give a 13 year old a gun (there are some 30 year old's I would not give a slingshot to), but just thought I would address the dramatic post.

You can't see the impending catastrophic consequences here? A kid you don't know well goes over to play in the gun kids room? Obviously, if it's for defense, easy access to ammunition is there; if not the gun is loaded. The father has NO sense nor regard for the law he's sworn to protect? Would it be OK if the cop were selling evidence drugs from the patrol car? NO! Because that's breaking the law. So is putting that glock in a kids room for him to use!!! It's madness that someone can think this is OK!

Try to stay on topic. I addressed the fact that the law was not broken in this case. Having the gun accessible when there might be other kids around? VERY BAD idea. As for selling drugs from the patrol car, it is indeed illegal. So is running over the neighbor because you don't like his hat, running naked thru town singing Yankee Doodle, and setting off nuclear devises on Sunday. Which are about as relevant as the strawman you suggested.

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I understand now after some reading that Arizona has this "Stand your ground" law, which is why everyone is saying this kid "did the right thing." I respect the law and can respect that what he did was a legal option.

I live in a state where we do not have this kind of law. I suppose what I have a problem with is the law that allows citizens to use deadly force when they are threatened in this way. Would I stand by and "let" someone attack my family? Of course not. But all I know is that this guy entered their home and supposedly was armed.

I don't think it's okay that some laws state it's okay for a teenager to decide if I have committed a crime worthy of being shot and potentially killed. I don't doubt this person unlawfully entered the house, and I am SURE these kids felt vulnerable and threatened, the intruder probably was mean and horrible and probably would have hurt one or more of these kids. I just thought I lived in a society where we all were treated with due process.

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Left Brain - 2012-12-18 12:10 PM

Good...sorry I missed that. And Pitt, I apologize, After your initial overly dramatic response I thought you had come completely unhinged.

My bad....again, I apologize.

Heh, we're cool. I was and still am quite emotionally close to the bone about this. Having been to 2 teenager's funerals who died from accidental gunshots in their homes from reckless respect of the weapon's power; it hits a nerve.

Just went to my cousin's 15yo son's funeral in February. They buried him in his JV football uniform. He had a date for Friday night, but died Tuesday. His father thought if he taught his son about guns, that was enough. Apparently, not...

Shyte's real man. Quit arguing about non-sequiters.

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r1237h - 2012-12-18 1:13 PM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:54 AM

r1237h - 2012-12-18 11:49 AM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:32 AM So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

The owner of the gun is still the father, so the law was not broken. Not saying that I would give a 13 year old a gun (there are some 30 year old's I would not give a slingshot to), but just thought I would address the dramatic post.

You can't see the impending catastrophic consequences here? A kid you don't know well goes over to play in the gun kids room? Obviously, if it's for defense, easy access to ammunition is there; if not the gun is loaded. The father has NO sense nor regard for the law he's sworn to protect? Would it be OK if the cop were selling evidence drugs from the patrol car? NO! Because that's breaking the law. So is putting that glock in a kids room for him to use!!! It's madness that someone can think this is OK!

Try to stay on topic. I addressed the fact that the law was not broken in this case. Having the gun accessible when there might be other kids around? VERY BAD idea. As for selling drugs from the patrol car, it is indeed illegal. So is running over the neighbor because you don't like his hat, running naked thru town singing Yankee Doodle, and setting off nuclear devises on Sunday. Which are about as relevant as the strawman you suggested.

Don't edit to fit your position; really...

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pitt83 - 2012-12-18 10:54 AM

r1237h - 2012-12-18 11:49 AM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:32 AM So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

The owner of the gun is still the father, so the law was not broken. Not saying that I would give a 13 year old a gun (there are some 30 year old's I would not give a slingshot to), but just thought I would address the dramatic post.

You can't see the impending catastrophic consequences here? A kid you don't know well goes over to play in the gun kids room? Obviously, if it's for defense, easy access to ammunition is there; if not the gun is loaded. The father has NO sense nor regard for the law he's sworn to protect? Would it be OK if the cop were selling evidence drugs from the patrol car? NO! Because that's breaking the law. So is putting that glock in a kids room for him to use!!! It's madness that someone can think this is OK!

lol, sorry for causing the stir. He has the Glock locked in a quick access safe (under his bed). Nobody can get to it except him and his Dad. It's totally legal for a kid to use his Dad's gun in or around their property, so I'm not sure what law you are referring to that he has no sense nor regard for.

Also, I was trying to give a little contrast to my personal view on letting my kids have access to guns. "I" don't feel comfortable letting my kids have access to my guns, but my son's friends father doesn't have an issue. I personally wouldn't do it, but I'm comfortable enough with them to let my son go over to his house. I know when I was 13 I was far more mature than many 21 year olds due to the area where I grew up. My kids at 13 were as street smart as my house cat.

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BikerGrrrl - 2012-12-18 10:15 AM

I understand now after some reading that Arizona has this "Stand your ground" law, which is why everyone is saying this kid "did the right thing." I respect the law and can respect that what he did was a legal option.

I live in a state where we do not have this kind of law. I suppose what I have a problem with is the law that allows citizens to use deadly force when they are threatened in this way. Would I stand by and "let" someone attack my family? Of course not. But all I know is that this guy entered their home and supposedly was armed.

I don't think it's okay that some laws state it's okay for a teenager to decide if I have committed a crime worthy of being shot and potentially killed. I don't doubt this person unlawfully entered the house, and I am SURE these kids felt vulnerable and threatened, the intruder probably was mean and horrible and probably would have hurt one or more of these kids. I just thought I lived in a society where we all were treated with due process.

How was due process and the law not followed in this case?

Are you advocating that when someone forcibly breaks into one's house we should have them fill out a questioner or something before we are allowed to defend ourselves?

In all seriousness your post comes across that leads me to believe you don't think people should have the right or ability to defend themselves.

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tuwood - 2012-12-18 1:19 PM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 10:54 AM

r1237h - 2012-12-18 11:49 AM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:32 AM So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

The owner of the gun is still the father, so the law was not broken. Not saying that I would give a 13 year old a gun (there are some 30 year old's I would not give a slingshot to), but just thought I would address the dramatic post.

You can't see the impending catastrophic consequences here? A kid you don't know well goes over to play in the gun kids room? Obviously, if it's for defense, easy access to ammunition is there; if not the gun is loaded. The father has NO sense nor regard for the law he's sworn to protect? Would it be OK if the cop were selling evidence drugs from the patrol car? NO! Because that's breaking the law. So is putting that glock in a kids room for him to use!!! It's madness that someone can think this is OK!

lol, sorry for causing the stir. He has the Glock locked in a quick access safe (under his bed). Nobody can get to it except him and his Dad. It's totally legal for a kid to use his Dad's gun in or around their property, so I'm not sure what law you are referring to that he has no sense nor regard for.

Also, I was trying to give a little contrast to my personal view on letting my kids have access to guns. "I" don't feel comfortable letting my kids have access to my guns, but my son's friends father doesn't have an issue. I personally wouldn't do it, but I'm comfortable enough with them to let my son go over to his house. I know when I was 13 I was far more mature than many 21 year olds due to the area where I grew up. My kids at 13 were as street smart as my house cat.

Parenting is a personal decision. But see above why I think a 13yo who even has been taught respect for guns having unfettered access is a bad idea.

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BikerGrrrl - 2012-12-18 10:15 AMI just thought I lived in a society where we all were treated with due process.

"Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all of the legal rights that are owed to a person"

First, the kid is not the state.

Second, the intruder broke into the house, and the kid took action to protect his and his siblings right to live.

Seriously, I am not making light of this. But my sympathies are with the poor kid who had to make such a decision, and has to live with it. As for the intruder? I don't really care, and suggest that he be thankful that he is still alive.

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pitt83 - 2012-12-18 12:16 PM

Left Brain - 2012-12-18 12:10 PM

Good...sorry I missed that. And Pitt, I apologize, After your initial overly dramatic response I thought you had come completely unhinged.

My bad....again, I apologize.

Heh, we're cool. I was and still am quite emotionally close to the bone about this. Having been to 2 teenager's funerals who died from accidental gunshots in their homes from reckless respect of the weapon's power; it hits a nerve. Just went to my cousin's 15yo son's funeral in February. They buried him in his JV football uniform. He had a date for Friday night, but died Tuesday. His father thought if he taught his son about guns, that was enough. Apparently, not... Shyte's real man. Quit arguing about non-sequiters.

I'm pretty sure I've bagged up more teenagers than you have..... so I get why you are emotional when it is so close to you. Still, guns are not inherently evil, or bad.....they just aren't.

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pitt83 - 2012-12-18 10:17 AM

r1237h - 2012-12-18 1:13 PM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:54 AM

r1237h - 2012-12-18 11:49 AM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:32 AM So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

The owner of the gun is still the father, so the law was not broken. Not saying that I would give a 13 year old a gun (there are some 30 year old's I would not give a slingshot to), but just thought I would address the dramatic post.

You can't see the impending catastrophic consequences here? A kid you don't know well goes over to play in the gun kids room? Obviously, if it's for defense, easy access to ammunition is there; if not the gun is loaded. The father has NO sense nor regard for the law he's sworn to protect? Would it be OK if the cop were selling evidence drugs from the patrol car? NO! Because that's breaking the law. So is putting that glock in a kids room for him to use!!! It's madness that someone can think this is OK!

Try to stay on topic. I addressed the fact that the law was not broken in this case. Having the gun accessible when there might be other kids around? VERY BAD idea. As for selling drugs from the patrol car, it is indeed illegal. So is running over the neighbor because you don't like his hat, running naked thru town singing Yankee Doodle, and setting off nuclear devises on Sunday. Which are about as relevant as the strawman you suggested.

Don't edit to fit your position; really...

I didn't need to. I just addressed the silliness I saw.

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BikerGrrrl - 2012-12-18 12:15 PM

I understand now after some reading that Arizona has this "Stand your ground" law, which is why everyone is saying this kid "did the right thing." I respect the law and can respect that what he did was a legal option.

I live in a state where we do not have this kind of law. I suppose what I have a problem with is the law that allows citizens to use deadly force when they are threatened in this way. Would I stand by and "let" someone attack my family? Of course not. But all I know is that this guy entered their home and supposedly was armed.

I don't think it's okay that some laws state it's okay for a teenager to decide if I have committed a crime worthy of being shot and potentially killed. I don't doubt this person unlawfully entered the house, and I am SURE these kids felt vulnerable and threatened, the intruder probably was mean and horrible and probably would have hurt one or more of these kids. I just thought I lived in a society where we all were treated with due process.

I'd say he was.

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Left Brain - 2012-12-18 11:24 AM

BikerGrrrl - 2012-12-18 12:15 PM

I understand now after some reading that Arizona has this "Stand your ground" law, which is why everyone is saying this kid "did the right thing." I respect the law and can respect that what he did was a legal option.

I live in a state where we do not have this kind of law. I suppose what I have a problem with is the law that allows citizens to use deadly force when they are threatened in this way. Would I stand by and "let" someone attack my family? Of course not. But all I know is that this guy entered their home and supposedly was armed.

I don't think it's okay that some laws state it's okay for a teenager to decide if I have committed a crime worthy of being shot and potentially killed. I don't doubt this person unlawfully entered the house, and I am SURE these kids felt vulnerable and threatened, the intruder probably was mean and horrible and probably would have hurt one or more of these kids. I just thought I lived in a society where we all were treated with due process.

I'd say he was.

I have to ask, is your picture you or just a funny pic? I prefer to read your comments with that visual of you in mind.

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Left Brain - 2012-12-18 1:22 PM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 12:16 PM

Left Brain - 2012-12-18 12:10 PM

Good...sorry I missed that. And Pitt, I apologize, After your initial overly dramatic response I thought you had come completely unhinged.

My bad....again, I apologize.

Heh, we're cool. I was and still am quite emotionally close to the bone about this. Having been to 2 teenager's funerals who died from accidental gunshots in their homes from reckless respect of the weapon's power; it hits a nerve. Just went to my cousin's 15yo son's funeral in February. They buried him in his JV football uniform. He had a date for Friday night, but died Tuesday. His father thought if he taught his son about guns, that was enough. Apparently, not... Shyte's real man. Quit arguing about non-sequiters.

I'm pretty sure I've bagged up more teenagers than you have..... so I get why you are emotional when it is so close to you. Still, guns are not inherently evil, or bad.....they just aren't.

I wish neither of us had to. I want to make it as inconvenient as possible to have kids killed.

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r1237h - 2012-12-18 1:24 PM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 10:17 AM

r1237h - 2012-12-18 1:13 PM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:54 AM

r1237h - 2012-12-18 11:49 AM

pitt83 - 2012-12-18 8:32 AM So this guy is a state policeman and gives a minor a semi-auto to keep under his bed for protection? 1.) You have to be 21 to own a handgun 2.) It was given by someone who swore to uphold the laws of the state and federal governments? 3.) He felt it was safest to keep it under a child's bed? 4.) Obviously, no background check was done since police can purchase. But the child had none becuase it would have revealed the officer broke the law in doing this? 5.) You think this was a good idea? Wow. just. wow.

The owner of the gun is still the father, so the law was not broken. Not saying that I would give a 13 year old a gun (there are some 30 year old's I would not give a slingshot to), but just thought I would address the dramatic post.

You can't see the impending catastrophic consequences here? A kid you don't know well goes over to play in the gun kids room? Obviously, if it's for defense, easy access to ammunition is there; if not the gun is loaded. The father has NO sense nor regard for the law he's sworn to protect? Would it be OK if the cop were selling evidence drugs from the patrol car? NO! Because that's breaking the law. So is putting that glock in a kids room for him to use!!! It's madness that someone can think this is OK!

Try to stay on topic. I addressed the fact that the law was not broken in this case. Having the gun accessible when there might be other kids around? VERY BAD idea. As for selling drugs from the patrol car, it is indeed illegal. So is running over the neighbor because you don't like his hat, running naked thru town singing Yankee Doodle, and setting off nuclear devises on Sunday. Which are about as relevant as the strawman you suggested.

Don't edit to fit your position; really...

I didn't need to. I just addressed the silliness I saw.

Pancake bunny. I'm out.

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JoshR - 2012-12-18 12:30 PM

Left Brain - 2012-12-18 11:24 AM

BikerGrrrl - 2012-12-18 12:15 PM

I understand now after some reading that Arizona has this "Stand your ground" law, which is why everyone is saying this kid "did the right thing." I respect the law and can respect that what he did was a legal option.

I live in a state where we do not have this kind of law. I suppose what I have a problem with is the law that allows citizens to use deadly force when they are threatened in this way. Would I stand by and "let" someone attack my family? Of course not. But all I know is that this guy entered their home and supposedly was armed.

I don't think it's okay that some laws state it's okay for a teenager to decide if I have committed a crime worthy of being shot and potentially killed. I don't doubt this person unlawfully entered the house, and I am SURE these kids felt vulnerable and threatened, the intruder probably was mean and horrible and probably would have hurt one or more of these kids. I just thought I lived in a society where we all were treated with due process.

I'd say he was.

I have to ask, is your picture you or just a funny pic? I prefer to read your comments with that visual of you in mind.

Then I don't want to ruin it for you.....have it either way you choose.

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BikerGrrrl - 2012-12-18 11:15 AM

I understand now after some reading that Arizona has this "Stand your ground" law, which is why everyone is saying this kid "did the right thing." I respect the law and can respect that what he did was a legal option.

I live in a state where we do not have this kind of law. I suppose what I have a problem with is the law that allows citizens to use deadly force when they are threatened in this way. Would I stand by and "let" someone attack my family? Of course not. But all I know is that this guy entered their home and supposedly was armed.

I don't think it's okay that some laws state it's okay for a teenager to decide if I have committed a crime worthy of being shot and potentially killed. I don't doubt this person unlawfully entered the house, and I am SURE these kids felt vulnerable and threatened, the intruder probably was mean and horrible and probably would have hurt one or more of these kids. I just thought I lived in a society where we all were treated with due process.

Wrong, Minnesota has Castle Doctrine which applies in this case. You break into a home the occupants have the right to use deadly force.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/11/27/reality-check-explaining-minnesotas-self-defense-laws/

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