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 2009-06-25 9:47 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Expert  2547    The Woodlands, TX |  Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol--coffee in the am, beer/wine in the evening. YUM. Of course when college football starts it can sometimes turn into: get up, go ride, take a shower, open a beer! In college we played with the no drinking thing a month from the big events. Never saw any performance difference. The only time we saw performance issues were related to hangovers and trying to train/race with one. |
| 2009-06-25 9:48 AM in reply to: #2242083 |
Master 1853  syracuse | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- mmrocker13 - 2009-06-25 10:16 AM I think the tiny, mini, eensy, weensy possible gains I may make by giving up my thermos of coffee in the AM and my alcohol in the...other times would not come even close to offsetting the annoyance I would have at giving up those two things. I hear ya! its up to each individual. however, we're talking about one little decision. 1000s of little, tiny, mini, eensy, weesny decisions like this over the course of several months can add up to minutes on the course. Quote I love by gordo: "When you see an elite athlete standing before you, you are looking at the result of tens of thousands of little decisions that they have made over many years." In the end, no decision is worth it if it causes annoyance. the feedback has been great thus far....I found it interesting that Bryan, who is an absolute beast, consumes both regularly, but went on to say if he was a pro who might give it up. why?
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| 2009-06-25 9:50 AM in reply to: #2242205 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- lisac957 - 2009-06-25 10:46 AM cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:38 AM no. black, regular coffee can have similar effects as high glycemic foods. but it appears it doesnt matter much. Source? http://books.google.com/books?id=-aoCpB7I9HIC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=is+coffee+high+glycemic&source=bl&ots=pP4Y3_UYVa&sig=epYrmvkTzg-shM5AIQyYwdzIqaw&hl=en&ei=UY5DStugLIyEtwfu_bScAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1 just the first one on google search. of course, dont believe everthing you read...... |
| 2009-06-25 9:50 AM in reply to: #2242112 |
Master 1920 Ann Arbor, MI | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- crazylegs - 2009-06-25 10:22 AM BikerGrrrl - 2009-06-25 8:30 AM Even the recommendations for a glass of red wine for heart health limit the dose to one glass for women or two for men, although I wish they would explain that further. Is that because of an assumption about weight? Or do men and women process something differently?
I remember attending a seminar a few years ago where they discussed the effects of alcohol on the body and the difference between men and women. If I remember correctly, while weight does factor in a little bit, the main difference between men and women with regards to alcohol is that a woman's liver is not able to process alcohol as quickly as a man's liver because there are fewer enzymes in a woman's liver that break down the alcohol. Perhaps someone with more medical knowledge can elaborate.
There are a variety of reasons. A man and a woman of the same weight will process alcohol differently. First of all, men have a bigger build, or frame, and therefore have less body fat and a higher blood volume, both of which act to lower the blood alcohol content. The content of body fat is directly related to the rate of absorption and metabolizing of alcohol. Since fat does not absorb alcohol, the entire alcohol content remains in a highly concentrated form in the bloodstream. Consequently, women experience alcohol-induced intoxication faster than men. Second of all, men have a higher concentration of dehydrogenase, which is an enzyme that breaks down alcohol. Finally, hormones play an influence as well, again, reducing the metabolic rate with which we process alcohol. By giving different recommendations of 1 glass for women and 2 for men is most likely balancing the beneficial effects of the reservatol (the antioxidant that is good for you) with the detrimental effects alcohol can have on your system, when consumed in excess. Oh, and I drink both caffeine and alcohol, and am EXTREMELY happy to hear that BryanCD does, too  I only drink 1 of each per day, though, occasionally having a second beer on the weekends. |
| 2009-06-25 9:51 AM in reply to: #2242174 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- cusetri - 2009-06-25 7:38 AM D.K. - 2009-06-25 10:21 AM Regarding about caffeine being "highly glycemic": I believe it's the milk and sugar and/or flavoring syrup that is added to coffee that makes it highly glycemic. no. black, regular coffee can have similar effects as high glycemic foods. but it appears it doesnt matter much. It's not the coffee, it's the caffeine, AFAIK. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/78/4/728 Another reason Monster and those other "energy" drinks really suk rocks. John |
| 2009-06-25 9:53 AM in reply to: #2242223 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:50 AM lisac957 - 2009-06-25 10:46 AM cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:38 AM no. black, regular coffee can have similar effects as high glycemic foods. but it appears it doesnt matter much. Source? http://books.google.com/books?id=-aoCpB7I9HIC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=is+coffee+high+glycemic&source=bl&ots=pP4Y3_UYVa&sig=epYrmvkTzg-shM5AIQyYwdzIqaw&hl=en&ei=UY5DStugLIyEtwfu_bScAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1 just the first one on google search. of course, dont believe everthing you read...... Oh I was hoping it was an actual scientifity study, not an "idot's guide" with no citations. |
| 2009-06-25 9:54 AM in reply to: #2242218 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- cusetri - 2009-06-25 10:48 AM the feedback has been great thus far....I found it interesting that Bryan, who is an absolute beast, consumes both regularly, but went on to say if he was a pro who might give it up. why? Not to speak for Bryan, but I assume because if his livelihood depended upon it he might be willing to try more things and see if he could squeeze out that last 0.1% of performance. That is, not because he knows it would. But simply because it might. FWIW, there are pros that do both. |
| 2009-06-25 9:54 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Champion 6046 New York, NY | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- |
| 2009-06-25 9:55 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Master 1610 Kirkland, WA | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- i tend to drink coffee each morning - except occasionally on weekends i will not have some for whatever reason. . i can still function but definitly notice a little more tiredness. as for alcohol - i usually don't drink any during the week. mostly due to training loads and as a few have said, working out in the morning after drinking isn't too fun. on the weekends, i will usually have a few beers fri/sat night, and sometimes follow the n+1 rule I think if i had a beer/night, i would gain a couple pounds, and frankly, if i can choose between a beer or a bit of ice cream. . yeah, the ice cream usually wins |
| 2009-06-25 9:57 AM in reply to: #2242218 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:48 AM
Not to Hijack but let me just say that there are a lot of pro's who can drink like a fish. I have pics to prove it, but I don't want to p*** off anyone. Maybe I'll find some tame pics and post. |
| 2009-06-25 10:01 AM in reply to: #2242233 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- lisac957 - 2009-06-25 10:53 AM cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:50 AM lisac957 - 2009-06-25 10:46 AM cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:38 AM no. black, regular coffee can have similar effects as high glycemic foods. but it appears it doesnt matter much. Source? http://books.google.com/books?id=-aoCpB7I9HIC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=is+coffee+high+glycemic&source=bl&ots=pP4Y3_UYVa&sig=epYrmvkTzg-shM5AIQyYwdzIqaw&hl=en&ei=UY5DStugLIyEtwfu_bScAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1 just the first one on google search. of course, dont believe everthing you read...... Oh I was hoping it was an actual scientifity study, not an "idot's guide" with no citations. sorry. idiots guids is as scientific as I get. Just trying to ahve a conversation on the subject, not trying to prove anyone wrong or right. clearly, people have had success with and without it. |
| 2009-06-25 10:02 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
| 23 | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- Love coffee in the morning. Every few months there is a new "study" that will tell you it's either healthy or not. I think it's okay, how many coffee related deaths and diseases do you read about each year? |
| 2009-06-25 10:03 AM in reply to: #2242077 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- JohnnyKay - 2009-06-25 9:14 AM cusetri - 2009-06-25 10:08 AM I appreciate everyones feedback. What about performance gains. whether or not doing specific workouts and how often always comes back to adaptations and resulting performance gains. I for one, really cannot make a decision to cut it out or not, until I see some sort of performance gain that would result. "Quit caffene, you'll be a better athelte!" I dont think I'm going to quit.... but if someone can give me specific gains that would come of it, I may do it. You're not going to hear that, so enjoy your caffiene and alcohol. In moderation, of course. x2. Unless you want to try it as an experiment but even then it would be difficuult to ascribe the "gains" to soley cutting out caffeine or alcohol. |
| 2009-06-25 10:08 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Master 2042 Albany, NY | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- Like a previous poster, I am also more in the "content to finish" category so please consider the source here... I do this more because I find it fun and personally challenging, not because I'd be close to winning anything with a little fine tuning. With each of my kids (now 2.5 and 4.5) I have found myself drinking more and more coffee in the morning just to get going. I have no idea if it's good or bad... just a pick me up that I need. At this point, my sanity is more important to my training and overall well-being than any training advantage I might gain from giving that coffee up. I have started cutting out coffee in the afternoon though, because I have found that it just contributes to my dehydration and makes me have to pee during my entire workout (which is more than a little annoying). As for alcohol, I do love some wine with dinner or a couple beers with friends. And my husband brews beer that he often "needs" me to sample. Again, it's something I enjoy so I would be unhappy training if I had to cut it out completely. But I have cut down on wine with dinner during the week so it doesn't interfere with my training (I often have to work out at night). Also, I tend to avoid drinking days before races. I tend to forget to drink extra water and I hate starting a race dehytrated! For me, it's just about trying to find a good alcohol/caffeine/training balance and keeps me (relatively) sane, happy and ready to race. |
| 2009-06-25 10:12 AM in reply to: #2242248 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- tjfry - 2009-06-25 10:57 AM cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:48 AM
Not to Hijack but let me just say that there are a lot of pro's who can drink like a fish. I have pics to prove it, but I don't want to p*** off anyone. Maybe I'll find some tame pics and post. we know all about you swimmers....(insert pic of michael phelps here)  |
| 2009-06-25 10:22 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
| 286 | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- Was talking about this w/ a friend recently, and he decided to cut back on the coffee b/c he felt like his body was building a tolerance to the caffeine (needed to drink more to get the same effects). I feel like that's a good marker as to when you should cut back. Many (most) of us are up at 5-6 am every day to train, then head off to 9-5,6,7 jobs. I'd be asleep at my desk after a 30 mile AM ride w/o the cafe! Regarding alcohol, it's great to hear many of you drink as much as I do (not that I ever regretted it). I love beer and wine and I shall not be denied! Partial hijack/something to ponder: You know when a Doctor asks you how many drinks you have per week, think about what you say, then think about the truth. I usually say oh, "5-7 a week" which usually doesn't doesn't cover 1 pre-football tailgate! |
| 2009-06-25 10:24 AM in reply to: #2242234 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- JohnnyKay - 2009-06-25 9:54 AM cusetri - 2009-06-25 10:48 AM the feedback has been great thus far....I found it interesting that Bryan, who is an absolute beast, consumes both regularly, but went on to say if he was a pro who might give it up. why? Not to speak for Bryan, but I assume because if his livelihood depended upon it he might be willing to try more things and see if he could squeeze out that last 0.1% of performance. That is, not because he knows it would. But simply because it might. FWIW, there are pros that do both. Boy, JK, you are in my head today! That is exactly right. And it would be somehting I would do leading into a big event, not soemthing I would do year round, if I were a pro. And for sure, a lot of pro's enjoy both, they're humans after all! Good to have TJ on my BT drinking Team.  |
| 2009-06-25 10:26 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Extreme Veteran 1942 In front of computer when typing this. | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- You are already sacrificing a lot and committing a lot to the sport. I think there is a break point where it might all get to be too much if you take all the fun stuff out and leave only the ultra disciplined stuff in. When you hit your peak training months my bet is that a nice cold beer or two that you EARNED and don't worry about might be just what the doctor ordered. When I was training a lot, Ben and Jerry's (the whole pint at a time) was my little reward (only have to run 6.4 miles to burn off the calories in that!). For others its beer/wine/coffee. I say just relax and enjoy a cup of coffee or a beer once in a while. All work and no play makes "insert random triathlete name" a dull boy. :-) |
| 2009-06-25 10:28 AM in reply to: #2242233 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- lisac957 - 2009-06-25 8:53 AM cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:50 AM lisac957 - 2009-06-25 10:46 AM cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:38 AM no. black, regular coffee can have similar effects as high glycemic foods. but it appears it doesnt matter much. Source? http://books.google.com/books?id=-aoCpB7I9HIC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=is+coffee+high+glycemic&source=bl&ots=pP4Y3_UYVa&sig=epYrmvkTzg-shM5AIQyYwdzIqaw&hl=en&ei=UY5DStugLIyEtwfu_bScAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1 just the first one on google search. of course, dont believe everthing you read...... Oh I was hoping it was an actual scientifity study, not an "idot's guide" with no citations. Harsh! maybe somebody misses her caffine! |
| 2009-06-25 10:39 AM in reply to: #2242314 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- cusetri - 2009-06-25 8:12 AM tjfry - 2009-06-25 10:57 AM Not to Hijack but let me just say that there are a lot of pro's who can drink like a fish. I have pics to prove it, but I don't want to p*** off anyone. Maybe I'll find some tame pics and post. we know all about you swimmers....(insert pic of michael phelps here) Heh. It ain't just swimmers. When I was running x-country in college, it was a RARE sunday morning that you couldn't tell what someone had been drinking the night before from the odor of their sweat. One of the biggest imbibers on the team was a Pan American Games gold medalist from Venezuela, that boy could pound it down and then turn around and rip off some incredible training runs. Made our beer miles a lost cause.... John |
| 2009-06-25 10:39 AM in reply to: #2242377 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- rayd - 2009-06-25 10:28 AM lisac957 - 2009-06-25 8:53 AM cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:50 AM lisac957 - 2009-06-25 10:46 AM cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:38 AM no. black, regular coffee can have similar effects as high glycemic foods. but it appears it doesnt matter much. Source? http://books.google.com/books?id=-aoCpB7I9HIC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=is+coffee+high+glycemic&source=bl&ots=pP4Y3_UYVa&sig=epYrmvkTzg-shM5AIQyYwdzIqaw&hl=en&ei=UY5DStugLIyEtwfu_bScAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1 just the first one on google search. of course, dont believe everthing you read...... Oh I was hoping it was an actual scientifity study, not an "idot's guide" with no citations. Harsh! maybe somebody misses her caffine! Not at all... I just don't believe everything I read on the intar-webs. |
| 2009-06-25 10:50 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Expert 1123 Falls Church, VA | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:17 AM I've been really focusing on nutrition lately. Mainly, sticking to protien & nutrient rich foods throughout the day, and only eating grains 1 hour before and 1 hour after I train/race. why are you afraid of eating grain outside of the +/-1 hour training window? That sounds like a weight loss plan, not peak performance plan. |
| 2009-06-25 10:54 AM in reply to: #2242050 |
Expert 1123 Falls Church, VA | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- cusetri - 2009-06-25 10:08 AM I appreciate everyones feedback. What about performance gains. whether or not doing specific workouts and how often always comes back to adaptations and resulting performance gains. I for one, really cannot make a decision to cut it out or not, until I see some sort of performance gain that would result. "Quit caffene, you'll be a better athelte!" I dont think I'm going to quit.... but if someone can give me specific gains that would come of it, I may do it. BTW, caffeine post-workout + high GI carbs speeds up glycogenesis, I'll find you the source if you want to check it out, but I'll have to dig a bit for it. Something important for those double workout days. |
| 2009-06-25 10:57 AM in reply to: #2242460 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- Bioteknik - 2009-06-25 11:50 AM cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:17 AM I've been really focusing on nutrition lately. Mainly, sticking to protien & nutrient rich foods throughout the day, and only eating grains 1 hour before and 1 hour after I train/race. why are you afraid of eating grain outside of the +/-1 hour training window? That sounds like a weight loss plan, not peak performance plan. didnt say I was affraid of it. interesting article I read by a tri coach. he said there is no point to it. he said its no different than sitting at your desk and eating a gel packet...why would you do it? both foods have similar effects on your body. |
| 2009-06-25 11:17 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Expert 1123 Falls Church, VA | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- personally because if I don't eat grain/carbs/high gi food throughout the day I'd have to gorge myself around training and that would impair said training. You weigh more than me, and probably have a higher training load, so I'm kind of interested in hearing how you take all your food in with that kind of restriction. Lots of PB? |
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