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2009-06-30 2:07 PM
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Subject: RE: how many of you would take the chance.....
i would LOVE to be able to train full time, rest properly, be sponsored, hell yeah.  enough to live on is all i need.


2009-06-30 2:10 PM
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I just think the entire dynamic of racing and training would be different if it switched from a leisure time activity to your JOB and the only thing paying your bills.

2009-06-30 2:17 PM
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wow.  excellent question.

I would. 

Not because I think the lifestyle is great.

I would constantly be asking myself "what if, what if, what if?" for the rest of my life....

where as if I go pro, I already know where the other path leads....i'm living it and can always go back to it.



 


2009-06-30 2:23 PM
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I would do it in a heart beat.  If I could put all of my bills on hold for one year and be able to cover coaching cost I would do it.

Even though I know that at best I could be a 3rd teir pro, I'd do it.  Just to see what my body could do.

If I had discovered Tri's before I became a 'professional'...I'd do it.
2009-06-30 2:24 PM
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A friend/training partner of mine just left grad school to try this....and it's tough, to say the least. He enjoys the day to day training routine, but from my perspective, is having a hard time leading up to races, dealing with the mental strain of NEEDING to place at the races he enters.
2009-06-30 2:24 PM
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I don't play, but I do work in professional sports.  I'm on the road for 7 months a year, making the rounds from one hotel to another and trying to find anything but a waffle house to eat at when you come in to a new city at 4:30 in the morning.  Off to the field for 12 hours, play a game, home at 1am, then do it again the next day.  And somewhere in the middle of it try to find time for yourself, training, and keeping in touch with everyone back home.  It's not an easy lifestyle by any stretch of the imagination.  And most of the players are earning somewhere around 800 bucks a month, so even in a sport where there's millions of dollars, only the elite are "living the dream" - the rest of them get real jobs in the offseason and save up.  But when it comes down to it......my office is in a stadium, I get fresh air and sun everyday, and we get paid for doing something we love.  Smile  You can keep your 9 to 5.


2009-06-30 2:32 PM
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newbz - 2009-06-30 2:16 PM
 take the amount of money an ave mid 20 something would have (cough not much cough), and race and train full time?


The three mid 20 somethings that I have income info on have an average income around 50K. Do I have to buy gear, pay for race fees, travel, etc.  out of that?
2009-06-30 2:54 PM
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KathyG - 2009-06-30 12:31 PM I don't have the ability even if I was 20 years younger.

I know some local pros and they all work too. One won IMLP last year and I'm not sure if she is working but she coaches. Her husband has been a teacher and he is a pro and came in top 10 at Lake Placid.

Sad thing in triathlons pros don't really make big money compared to other sports. I think from talking with these guys most go pro for a bunch of other reasons like tax breaks, can get into an IM race last minute, lots of races comp entry fees, but the one guy I've chatted with the most about it never has made money doing it.

Lifestyle would rock. Truth is I gave up working 3 years ago so I can train when kids are in school and be mom when they are home. Not a pro in any sense of the word but I do train a lot and have freedom to do so. My husband is very supportive and kind.


I would like to sign up for this plan please.  Maybe someone can talk my Hubby into this for me.  Mom + Triathlete as my two full time jobs is my idea of a dream world.  I'm pretty certain that I could never hack it as a pro though.
2009-06-30 2:58 PM
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As someone who did just what you are suggesting, I would say without hesitation to go for it. Yes, the training is tough, yes you don't make any money, yes the pressure to perform on race day can make your knees buckle, but damn it was fun! I swam in college and then headed for Colorado to do this and it was very much like college without the school (and all the keggers).

You wake up and realize that your 'work' for the day is to spend the next 5 hours climbing the various peaks on your bike that you didn't pay for with athletes that were on the last cover. Take a nice nap and go for a run. Swim next to a few Olympians. Then eat like a horse.

Races don't pay much if at all, but they don't cost much either. Most will have homestays in which a family will put up a pro. It was the best way to experience a town as they will take you around and show you sights if you want. I met some really great people all over the world doing that. Race directors will often give you a free entry (or at least discounted), so all that's left is to get yourself there if the race doesn't pay your way out there (or a sponsor).

It will certainly change the way you race. I remember swimming next to a guy named Brad Beven in Chicago with 50 meters to go in the swim. Normal strategy tells you to keep it steady or back down to get ready to ride, but there is $500 bucks for the first one out and I needed some cash so I turned it on to guarantee a payday. Stuff you have to do when finishing top 3 is remote in a major field.

There are certainly some downsides to it. I trained so hard one time my hair stopped growing (I have no clue why) and it was a challenge to get chicks as your peers made much more money and had a regular life.

But if you're young and single, why not? Go for it and if you fail, you have some great stories to tell while you are sitting at your desk checking the BT website forum years later.....

2009-06-30 3:04 PM
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Interesting post.....

I have coached several high level athletes and every one of them had some other form of support other than racing. In many ways the "life of a pro" is harder than the life of the average age grouper. The average AGer can afford to blow off training once or twice a week and still finsh, place, whatever. Most of the pros can't afford to do that and still be competative at some of these events. Triathlon doesn't have many races with large purses and the ones that do have the very best athletes in the world competing.

So imagine this.....

Monday-wake up at 4:30 to swim for 1.5 hrs,  core work 30 min after,work full time job, Power Intervals after work either on the trainer or velodrome (1.5-2hrs)

Tuesday-wake up 4:30 to swim 1.5 hrs, core work, full time job, 1.5 hr run (middle 45 min @ Tempo Pace)

Wednesday-Strength Train 1 hr before work, full time job, mid week long ride 2.5-3.5 hrs

Thursday-Swim 1.5 hrs, Core work, full time job, Track workout (running) 1-1.5 hrs

Friday-Swim 1.5 hrs, core work, full time job, Tempo Brick 1.5 hr bike Z3 Power/45 min run @ tempo pace.

Saturday-Long Bike ~5 hrs

Sunday- Long Run~ 2.5-3 hrs

Rinse, Repeat for the next week....doesn't sound to glamourous does it? That was an actual week for one of my 70.3 Pro's from last year.

25-ish hours of training on top of a full time job.

2009-06-30 3:20 PM
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I would do this in a heartbeat for any sport I was good enough at.

Volleyball, Soccer, Surfing, Golf, Football, Tris...

I love training and the athletic lifestyle. It is just good to be around a bunch of high performing people and busting your hump. Unfortunately I never tried when I was young and it is too late with my current life style and responsibilities. I keep the hope alive that one day I can get all my ducks in a row to focus on all of it to get to a high level. For now I will setlle for teachng my ducklings how to play volleyball, football, surf and tennis. All things I have done in the past week and had a blast doing it.

The flip side is the physical and mental drain is huge to train and compete at your peak is not pleasant, there is a reason many pro athletes have therapists. Some of them may do better if they hired a good Analrapist like Tobias Funke.


2009-06-30 3:23 PM
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newbz - 2009-06-30 1:26 PM hahahaha. maybe this is a more reasonable group of people, when it comes to this topic.


Well I'm trying to figure out a way that I can sail around the world in a sailboat... I'm just missing a boat and the sailing experience...

I say go for it!!!!!
2009-06-30 3:39 PM
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newbz - 2009-06-30 11:16 AM to give up working for a while, and live and train like a pro, or full time, and see what the lifestyle was like? i'm not talking go out and take your life savings and train for a while, but rather, take the amount of money an ave mid 20 something would have (cough not much cough), and race and train full time? i see a lot of epople complain about how the pros have it great, they just get to race and train, but i am not sure how much of the choices that go with that that people outside of the sport or that are not living that way understand. many of the lower teir pros, or some of the higher ups, are not making much money, sure they are racing and training and little else, but its a choice, you may choose to go out to dinner, they are deciding which brand of generic pasta is cheaper. discuss.


Been there, done that (Just not in triathlon), and would do it again. In a heartbeat.

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2009-06-30 6:11 PM
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guess we'll see how it goes.......
2009-06-30 6:20 PM
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David, You are very talented and I have seen you race. I think that you will do fine. I know it is tough and I wish that Triathlon was funded better but it is just not. I would not do it because I don't have the talent but if I did and I was not so mature I would do it now before you have the responsibilities of a growing family. Be bold and you already are brave enough to get to Colorado....Best to you and love Colorado. But do come bck to Ohio some.

Chris

2009-06-30 6:30 PM
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I doubt there are many pros in this sport who earn a salary that exceeds the poverty level based only on racing as the primary job.  Even if you throw in the sponsors not very many make a living.  If you are in it for the money, there are probably better ways to invest your time.  If you really love to train and race and would like to give the lifestyle a whirl, it would be the perfect time to experience it.  I would imagine you would have to get a job that was very flexible.  For example the way Home Depot and the Hansens helped support Brian Sell in his Olympic marathon quest.  Along the way, you may find a way to combine your passion for the sport with a good occupation in the general area.  I know a guy who is an exceptional 47 y/o 4:04 HIMer who owns an athletic store, races all of the time and always wins his AG (usually wins the races outright) who also coaches other athletes on the side.  He makes a good living and loves what he does..and super nice guy to boot!  Looks like a pretty good gig to me.

 


2009-06-30 6:34 PM
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a bit more information about my situation.

I have been training/racing for just over 3 years now, former rower trying to make the national team blah blah.

last two seasons is tri things started going a lot better for me, times were comign down fast, etc.

fast forward to last season, beat a number of local pros in a few diff races and started wondering if i could get triathlon to the level rowing was at for me.

this winter my g/f moved out to boulder CO from ohio where we both lived, and headed out here 3 weeks ago (will be here till mid/end of aug) to train full time and see if i can jump start some better race results.

I understand that even if i do make it to the pro level i am not going to be making money, and frankly thats not why i want to try this, its the wrong sport to be making money for all but a few people.


Right now i am coaching a few atheletes, doing photography work, and training/sleeping.
2009-06-30 6:36 PM
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rc63413 - 2009-06-30 7:30 PM

I doubt there are many pros in this sport who earn a salary that exceeds the poverty level based only on racing as the primary job. Even if you throw in the sponsors not very many make a living. If you are in it for the money, there are probably better ways to invest your time. If you really love to train and race and would like to give the lifestyle a whirl, it would be the perfect time to experience it. I would imagine you would have to get a job that was very flexible. For example the way Home Depot and the Hansens helped support Brian Sell in his Olympic marathon quest. Along the way, you may find a way to combine your passion for the sport with a good occupation in the general area. I know a guy who is an exceptional 47 y/o 4:04 HIMer who owns an athletic store, races all of the time and always wins his AG (usually wins the races outright) who also coaches other athletes on the side. He makes a good living and loves what he does..and super nice guy to boot! Looks like a pretty good gig to me.



thats the direction i am hoping to take this, some combination of coaching rowing, triathlon coaching,and photography.
2009-06-30 7:15 PM
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This would be eminently doable if you married a high-paying professional - doctors, lawyers, and executive businessfolks who can fund your lifestyle would make this easy if you could keep them happy.

I have the very realistic option of doing so at least for a few years while the significant other pulls strong income, but it's still not a "reality" that I'm strongly considering (yet).  

I think I can prove to myself all that I need to as an amateur; I can train running at close to pro volumes with a full time job. (Tris are much harder to do so though.

2009-06-30 9:22 PM
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haha g/f is going the same direction as i am........... no high paying on either side.
2009-06-30 9:48 PM
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I do it for sure!  You only live once.   If you're young enough and have not yet started a career or family then go for it and have a blast!!



2009-06-30 9:57 PM
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Made that decision 28 years ago when I decided getting my undergraduate degree was more important than my cycling career. I had already been invited to join a racing team, and had raced with them for two years. No regrets.
2009-07-01 12:08 AM
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so for those of you that have done this, tips, thoughts, share your experiances?
2009-07-01 6:10 AM
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I don't think I'm genetically gifted enough to go pro - but I'm seriously considering a "4 for 5" starting next year so that my 5th year I can train and race.  (You get paid 80% of your salary for four years and then the fifth year is off with 80% of your salary.)  I think it would be great to pick a couple races in crazy parts of the world, train and then race ... then continue on with the holiday.

In your particular situation - I don't imagine it's easy because I'm betting it's tough out there to make enough to really survive.  It would be cool though and as long as you're not driving yourself into debt to do it - why not?  Plus - I think you need to take those chances when you have them - you don't want to regret it later. 
2009-07-01 6:30 AM
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While it'd probably have its fun in the beginning, you'll lose out on a lot of life experiences too. I was a die hard wrestler all through high school and in order to maintain my 119lbs status, i had to undergo training basically 24/7 it was hard word sucking down from 140lbs and while all my friends were out doing HS things i was stuck conditioning and lifting and sucking weight.

Now it had its perks, proof being i was a class a, new england regional champ as well as a national place holder...but i when i look back at it all, i feel that yea i wouldnt trade my accomplishments in wrestling for anything, but i missed out on friends and creating the bonds most people had with each other. Moving forward to college, i wrestled for about a month and decided i wasnt falling in to the same groove, as i knew it'd take up all my time and i'd screw up my college experiences too. So it was time to move on and i quit hte team and grabbed a beer...hehehe...

Nowadays, being unemployed right now, that option sounds fabulous! but again how will it affect your lifestyle and the people in it. I'd have to pass on it. Recreational accomplishment is good enough for me  as it makes everyone and myself happy
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