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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() KeriKadi - 2012-06-21 9:35 AM Left Brain - 2012-06-21 12:52 AM I agree and we also say yes. However saying yes is not a problem with the general population of Americans which is who this discussion is about. You and I and a lot of other parents on this board are the exception in America.KeriKadi - 2012-06-20 9:37 PM Parents indulge their kids and are afraid to say no. I agree with the rest of your post. That being said, in this circle, where most of us have a good idea of what eating healthy and living healthy means....we should also not be afraid to say YES! My kids, like all kids, enjoy ice cream here and there, a pizza, more butter than they should have on popcorn....and on and on. My children are all fit. 3 of the 5 are Presidential Fitness Award winners....all of them are extremely active. All of them indulge, with our blessing, in foods that are not ideal, but taste REALLY good, now and then. They're kids. I think balance is important. I think obsession in any direction is bad. I'm not trying to suggest that eating healthy is an obsession......but indulging now and then doesn't have to be either....teaching them the difference is the most important thing to us. As a bonus, those lessons spill over to other aspects of life. What a completely arrogant statement. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() KeriKadi - 2012-06-20 9:37 PM I made this exact point about a year ago. One kid swam a 50 drank a huge Gatorade, swam another 50 ate a snickers bar and later had nachos and this kid was already 30 or so pounds overweight. Parents indulge their kids and are afraid to say no. Swim team starts at 7am and goes through 2pm at least so kids need to eat but they don't need to eat crap. Well, most parents don't understand what is and is not healthy or how a kid should eat. Typically you look at the parents and they are overweight themselves. They don't even understand what to feed themselves! And their kids eat what they eat. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It sounds like I'm an exception. At our swim meets, most of the kids and parents look pretty fit - or at least not obese. It's just a small neighborhood pool, so nothing extraordinary.
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Goosedog - 2012-06-21 9:09 AM It sounds like I'm an exception. What a completely arrogant statement! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() That's just it - we let our boys have treats on occasion. But otherwise the food selection tends to be mostly fruit to eat and water to drink. And I'm not trying to be the angry or know-it-all parent in this situation. But my concern is not only the volume of junk food I saw being sold and consumed, but also that I feel like I have to swim against the tide to have my children eat healthy - AT A SPORTING EVENT!!! (it isn't like I'm at a kids birthday party trying to knock cake out of people's hands - I'm a fricking swim meet) Maybe I just interpreted the situation wrong, but the whole place looked more like a buffet with some swimming versus a swim meet with food to keep people energized. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() One school served 2%, choc and white. The othe offered whole as well. I just saw the kids drinking Gatorade bc it taste good and soda wasn't allowed. The issue I have is that sends the message that Gatorade is healthier than soda. But I have a problem with them offering it to begin with. At lunch they should only be offered water or milk. They are a captive audience at school, let's try to instill some healthiness! It was just startling to me that one of the biggest and wealthiest school systems in the country thought it was a healthy substiture |
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![]() | ![]() turtlegirl - 2012-06-21 12:35 PM One school served 2%, choc and white. The othe offered whole as well. I just saw the kids drinking Gatorade bc it taste good and soda wasn't allowed. The issue I have is that sends the message that Gatorade is healthier than soda. But I have a problem with them offering it to begin with. At lunch they should only be offered water or milk. They are a captive audience at school, let's try to instill some healthiness! It was just startling to me that one of the biggest and wealthiest school systems in the country thought it was a healthy substiture I am interested in the bolded points. Just thoughts from an outsider. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2012-06-21 12:46 PM turtlegirl - 2012-06-21 12:35 PM One school served 2%, choc and white. The othe offered whole as well. I just saw the kids drinking Gatorade bc it taste good and soda wasn't allowed. The issue I have is that sends the message that Gatorade is healthier than soda. But I have a problem with them offering it to begin with. At lunch they should only be offered water or milk. They are a captive audience at school, let's try to instill some healthiness! It was just startling to me that one of the biggest and wealthiest school systems in the country thought it was a healthy substiture I am interested in the bolded points. Just thoughts from an outsider. I knew eventually we would agree on SOMETHING!! Well said! |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2012-06-21 1:46 PM turtlegirl - 2012-06-21 12:35 PM One school served 2%, choc and white. The othe offered whole as well. I just saw the kids drinking Gatorade bc it taste good and soda wasn't allowed. The issue I have is that sends the message that Gatorade is healthier than soda. But I have a problem with them offering it to begin with. At lunch they should only be offered water or milk. They are a captive audience at school, let's try to instill some healthiness! It was just startling to me that one of the biggest and wealthiest school systems in the country thought it was a healthy substiture I am interested in the bolded points. Just thoughts from an outsider. ^^^^^This X 1000 My children's school has gone down the "ban everything" road including what they are allowed to bring in for lunch. We once received a note home from the school informing us we violatated some sorta nutrition commandment by sending our kids to class w/a coupla Hershey Kisses in their lunch box on Valentines Day. It's my job to teach them how to make healthy balanced choices; just as it's my job to teach them to show respect, work hard, be polite etc. Sadly, I think too many people expect the schools to do the parenting heavy lifting for them.
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() When I was in high school I was on our wrestling team my freshman year. I was at a meet and got hungry so I went to the concession stand to get some food. I am not a fan of hot dogs so I got nachos and cheese. I was up on the bleachers before the match started and my coach came up to me and asked me what I was eating. I told him nachos and he told me to throw them away because I was going to wrestle and I didnt need to eat that stuff before or after a match. I then proceeded to throw away the nachos I spent my hard earned high school dollar on because you never say no to the coach. Looks like parents and coaches need to intervene a little more when it comes to their childrens nutrition, both home and at school. I am glad my coach stepped in then otherwise I probably would have gotten sick mid match. |
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![]() | ![]() Sammeg - 2012-06-21 1:28 PM lisac957 - 2012-06-21 1:46 PM turtlegirl - 2012-06-21 12:35 PM One school served 2%, choc and white. The othe offered whole as well. I just saw the kids drinking Gatorade bc it taste good and soda wasn't allowed. The issue I have is that sends the message that Gatorade is healthier than soda. But I have a problem with them offering it to begin with. At lunch they should only be offered water or milk. They are a captive audience at school, let's try to instill some healthiness! It was just startling to me that one of the biggest and wealthiest school systems in the country thought it was a healthy substiture I am interested in the bolded points. Just thoughts from an outsider. ^^^^^This X 1000 My children's school has gone down the "ban everything" road including what they are allowed to bring in for lunch. We once received a note home from the school informing us we violatated some sorta nutrition commandment by sending our kids to class w/a coupla Hershey Kisses in their lunch box on Valentines Day. It's my job to teach them how to make healthy balanced choices; just as it's my job to teach them to show respect, work hard, be polite etc. Sadly, I think too many people expect the schools to do the parenting heavy lifting for them.
WOW I would have a serious issue sending my kids to a school like that. You can't pick what goes in your OWN KID'S lunch box???? Line crossed, IMO. How did that rule possibly pass? I'm curious as to how it gets to that point... By the way, my mom did that too, with the Hershey Kisses. So sweet. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2012-06-21 2:45 PM Sammeg - 2012-06-21 1:28 PM lisac957 - 2012-06-21 1:46 PM turtlegirl - 2012-06-21 12:35 PM One school served 2%, choc and white. The othe offered whole as well. I just saw the kids drinking Gatorade bc it taste good and soda wasn't allowed. The issue I have is that sends the message that Gatorade is healthier than soda. But I have a problem with them offering it to begin with. At lunch they should only be offered water or milk. They are a captive audience at school, let's try to instill some healthiness! It was just startling to me that one of the biggest and wealthiest school systems in the country thought it was a healthy substiture I am interested in the bolded points. Just thoughts from an outsider. ^^^^^This X 1000 My children's school has gone down the "ban everything" road including what they are allowed to bring in for lunch. We once received a note home from the school informing us we violatated some sorta nutrition commandment by sending our kids to class w/a coupla Hershey Kisses in their lunch box on Valentines Day. It's my job to teach them how to make healthy balanced choices; just as it's my job to teach them to show respect, work hard, be polite etc. Sadly, I think too many people expect the schools to do the parenting heavy lifting for them.
WOW I would have a serious issue sending my kids to a school like that. You can't pick what goes in your OWN KID'S lunch box???? Line crossed, IMO. How did that rule possibly pass? I'm curious as to how it gets to that point... By the way, my mom did that too, with the Hershey Kisses. So sweet. Starts with a vocal few who make a big deal about cup cakes being served to kindergarden kids at class bday celebrations and the next thing you know, the kids are walking through chocolate detectors when they enter the school. BTW, we had a huge problem w/this as well and saw it as an opportunity to teach our kids to fight back against stupidity but eventually gave in to our 8 y/o daughters teary pleading to let it go. I suppose our silence is exactly how it got to that point.
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Sensei ![]() | ![]() So it's your swim meet's fault... I knew someone was to blame. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() dmbfan4life20 - 2012-06-21 12:30 PM When I was in high school I was on our wrestling team my freshman year. I was at a meet and got hungry so I went to the concession stand to get some food. I am not a fan of hot dogs so I got nachos and cheese. I was up on the bleachers before the match started and my coach came up to me and asked me what I was eating. I told him nachos and he told me to throw them away because I was going to wrestle and I didnt need to eat that stuff before or after a match. I then proceeded to throw away the nachos I spent my hard earned high school dollar on because you never say no to the coach. Looks like parents and coaches need to intervene a little more when it comes to their childrens nutrition, both home and at school. I am glad my coach stepped in then otherwise I probably would have gotten sick mid match. I am afraid that in current times your coach would have been in big trouble with some kids parent for making them throw something away that they purchased with their own money. The coach probably damaged your psyche and you clearly have an eating disorder and a body image problem now, nothing else explains your participation in triathlon. Your coach should be sued for the years of eating what you want that you have lost and for all the training time you have put in to pursue a body image that isn't one you created organically. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() trinnas - 2012-06-21 8:39 AM Apparently we see things differently. I live in Houston, we are often on the top 10 obese cities. We belong to the YMCA. There are easily more obese kids than not. Their parents don't say no to anything. I see 6 year olds with $200 portable gaming systems and 8 year olds with cell phones. They eat out more than they eat in and they have sodas and candy bars between heats. Seeing this all first hand I don't think my statement is arrogant but rather the truth. Parents saying no and setting boundaries is very rare these days. KeriKadi - 2012-06-21 9:35 AM Left Brain - 2012-06-21 12:52 AM I agree and we also say yes. However saying yes is not a problem with the general population of Americans which is who this discussion is about. You and I and a lot of other parents on this board are the exception in America.KeriKadi - 2012-06-20 9:37 PM Parents indulge their kids and are afraid to say no. I agree with the rest of your post. That being said, in this circle, where most of us have a good idea of what eating healthy and living healthy means....we should also not be afraid to say YES! My kids, like all kids, enjoy ice cream here and there, a pizza, more butter than they should have on popcorn....and on and on. My children are all fit. 3 of the 5 are Presidential Fitness Award winners....all of them are extremely active. All of them indulge, with our blessing, in foods that are not ideal, but taste REALLY good, now and then. They're kids. I think balance is important. I think obsession in any direction is bad. I'm not trying to suggest that eating healthy is an obsession......but indulging now and then doesn't have to be either....teaching them the difference is the most important thing to us. As a bonus, those lessons spill over to other aspects of life. What a completely arrogant statement. |
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Sensei ![]() | ![]() KeriKadi - 2012-06-21 3:18 PM trinnas - 2012-06-21 8:39 AM Apparently we see things differently. I live in Houston, we are often on the top 10 obese cities. We belong to the YMCA. There are easily more obese kids than not. Their parents don't say no to anything. I see 6 year olds with $200 portable gaming systems and 8 year olds with cell phones. They eat out more than they eat in and they have sodas and candy bars between heats. Seeing this all first hand I don't think my statement is arrogant but rather the truth. Parents saying no and setting boundaries is very rare these days. KeriKadi - 2012-06-21 9:35 AM Left Brain - 2012-06-21 12:52 AM I agree and we also say yes. However saying yes is not a problem with the general population of Americans which is who this discussion is about. You and I and a lot of other parents on this board are the exception in America.KeriKadi - 2012-06-20 9:37 PM Parents indulge their kids and are afraid to say no. I agree with the rest of your post. That being said, in this circle, where most of us have a good idea of what eating healthy and living healthy means....we should also not be afraid to say YES! My kids, like all kids, enjoy ice cream here and there, a pizza, more butter than they should have on popcorn....and on and on. My children are all fit. 3 of the 5 are Presidential Fitness Award winners....all of them are extremely active. All of them indulge, with our blessing, in foods that are not ideal, but taste REALLY good, now and then. They're kids. I think balance is important. I think obsession in any direction is bad. I'm not trying to suggest that eating healthy is an obsession......but indulging now and then doesn't have to be either....teaching them the difference is the most important thing to us. As a bonus, those lessons spill over to other aspects of life. What a completely arrogant statement. I'm not argueing either way... Do you really see all of this or just make assumptions? You follow them around and count their meals to see they eat out more than in? Is really the "truth" as you say or your interpretation? Are you around at every request the kids make and they the parent don't say no to ANYTHING? I just think the statement that created the "ruffled feathers" sounded like a "better than thow" statement based only on observations, that facts. For example, if someone inpsected my trash can at the office at this very moment, you would see a couple empty potato chips bags, several 7-11 hotdog boxes and a candy bar wrapper. It could easily be assumed I'm a lazy, can't say not to junk food, guy - maybe make assumption I could be overweigh and out of shape. But they don't see the 5 hour bike rides or 13 miles runs since they don't follow me around. |
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![]() My kids come home from their friends houses talking about cabinets full of nothing but junk food and their friends being able to eat all the candy they want. I always assume they are exaggerating but maybe not. I have a hard time understanding how a parent can allow this but a friend of mine says she lets her kids have candy whenever they want. Her point of view is that the kids who have parents restricting what they eat come to her house and gorge while her kids don't think the candy is that interesting. I don't buy it. I don't see my own children being able to understand how to set limits on how much to eat - healthy or not. I actually think that is pretty hard for a lot of adults! I know I didn't know how when I was a kid. I had no clue how to stop eating before I felt so full I would pop.
Personally I'm just cheap. I don't want to spend the money buying a bunch of candy and pay the extra dental bills for cavities. |
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Sensei ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2012-06-21 10:46 AM turtlegirl - 2012-06-21 12:35 PM One school served 2%, choc and white. The othe offered whole as well. I just saw the kids drinking Gatorade bc it taste good and soda wasn't allowed. The issue I have is that sends the message that Gatorade is healthier than soda. But I have a problem with them offering it to begin with. At lunch they should only be offered water or milk. They are a captive audience at school, let's try to instill some healthiness! It was just startling to me that one of the biggest and wealthiest school systems in the country thought it was a healthy substiture I am interested in the bolded points. Just thoughts from an outsider. I don't have kids either, BUT I think I'm correct in assuming... Trusting kids to make the "right" choice? Seriously? Put a plate of brocolli next to a plate of cookies with NO supervision to make the right choice? Kids are a bit natorious about making bad decisions, making mistakes, etc. Eating bad, smoking, drinking, drugs, sex, etc. Trying to teach them is all fine and dandy, but there has to be SOME intervention and not offer 100% free choice and expect them to do what's right. In a perfect world, kids would listen to the sage advice parents give them and always do the right thing. When I was going up, I would come home and be hungry and mom and dad would say eat some fruit. All I wanted was the little debbie snack cake but they said that was saved for our lunches. To be honest, I just didn't eat anything than something I didn't want. And that's when my parents were hovering around me. If I had free choice? Half a box of little debbies would be down my gullet. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2012-06-21 12:46 PM Absolutely. But this school was 60% free and reduced meals. They had to pay 50 cents for it, that was one issue I had with it. The other being if the govt is subsidizingeals, let's make them healthy. From experience I can tell you poor choices are made outside the home. I would love to just know they are getting some calcium during the day. It's also in an area where I had students left by themselves. On days off the kids would be at school bc parents didn't know we were off. I don't want to bring it to socioeconomic factors, but the parents weren't around to see to it that kids learn how to make those good choices. I'm all for parents being the primary teachers, but when you have single parents working 2 jobs just to put any food on the table, good eating habits aren't usually emphasized.turtlegirl - 2012-06-21 12:35 PM One school served 2%, choc and white. The othe offered whole as well. I just saw the kids drinking Gatorade bc it taste good and soda wasn't allowed. The issue I have is that sends the message that Gatorade is healthier than soda. But I have a problem with them offering it to begin with. At lunch they should only be offered water or milk. They are a captive audience at school, let's try to instill some healthiness! It was just startling to me that one of the biggest and wealthiest school systems in the country thought it was a healthy substiture I am interested in the bolded points. Just thoughts from an outsider. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Kido - 2012-06-21 5:38 PM I hear you. That is not how I meant to sound. Of course I am not there at every decision. I have 5 kids ranging from 5 to 19. I see what kids eat at swim meets and what parents pack in diaper bags. I am saddened by what I see. The swim coach and I have talked about this, he sees the same thing. At the last swim meet my daughter was the only kid on her team that didn't have a handheld electronic device. And of course you are right I do not see every meal but a lot of these kids show up with McDonalds and their parents get pizza or some other fast food during the break. I ask myself if the kids that have involved parents and some activity in their lives are eating like this what about the kids sitting at home? IMO too much screen time and not enough parenting and playing.KeriKadi - 2012-06-21 3:18 PM trinnas - 2012-06-21 8:39 AM Apparently we see things differently. I live in Houston, we are often on the top 10 obese cities. We belong to the YMCA. There are easily more obese kids than not. Their parents don't say no to anything. I see 6 year olds with $200 portable gaming systems and 8 year olds with cell phones. They eat out more than they eat in and they have sodas and candy bars between heats. Seeing this all first hand I don't think my statement is arrogant but rather the truth. Parents saying no and setting boundaries is very rare these days. KeriKadi - 2012-06-21 9:35 AM Left Brain - 2012-06-21 12:52 AM I agree and we also say yes. However saying yes is not a problem with the general population of Americans which is who this discussion is about. You and I and a lot of other parents on this board are the exception in America.KeriKadi - 2012-06-20 9:37 PM Parents indulge their kids and are afraid to say no. I agree with the rest of your post. That being said, in this circle, where most of us have a good idea of what eating healthy and living healthy means....we should also not be afraid to say YES! My kids, like all kids, enjoy ice cream here and there, a pizza, more butter than they should have on popcorn....and on and on. My children are all fit. 3 of the 5 are Presidential Fitness Award winners....all of them are extremely active. All of them indulge, with our blessing, in foods that are not ideal, but taste REALLY good, now and then. They're kids. I think balance is important. I think obsession in any direction is bad. I'm not trying to suggest that eating healthy is an obsession......but indulging now and then doesn't have to be either....teaching them the difference is the most important thing to us. As a bonus, those lessons spill over to other aspects of life. What a completely arrogant statement. I'm not argueing either way... Do you really see all of this or just make assumptions? You follow them around and count their meals to see they eat out more than in? Is really the "truth" as you say or your interpretation? Are you around at every request the kids make and they the parent don't say no to ANYTHING? I just think the statement that created the "ruffled feathers" sounded like a "better than thow" statement based only on observations, that facts. For example, if someone inpsected my trash can at the office at this very moment, you would see a couple empty potato chips bags, several 7-11 hotdog boxes and a candy bar wrapper. It could easily be assumed I'm a lazy, can't say not to junk food, guy - maybe make assumption I could be overweigh and out of shape. But they don't see the 5 hour bike rides or 13 miles runs since they don't follow me around. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() My thoughts are: I don't remember in my minor hockey days anything like this. There was a consession, you played a game. Got a burger and fries for lunch, played another game. I am not sure at what age you can trust a child to make a reasonable and balanced meal plan. The amount of will power that it takes for me on many days not to get ice cream and pizza for lunch is large. We don't have much junk in our house. Meals are usually more fruits and vegitables than carbs than meat. My 3 year old and 11 month old eat whatever we put in front of them, except when they don't want it. My 3 year old has just recently discovered dessert. She loves it. As much as she is horribly satisfied with apples and cheese and a rice cake for an evening snack, give her the choice of that and a cookie and it really is not choice, not withstanding the Sid the Science Kid birthday cake episode and book. I don't feel like the exception in my social circle. Some kids drink more juice and get more dessert but most of their parents offer fairly nutritional balanced meals. OF course these are mostly parents of preschoolers. Also mostly not recreational athletes. |
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Supersonicus Idioticus ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() As a swim coach, I wonder why they aren't warming down after races. If you race three 50m races, plus 1100m warm up (for a 11 y.o.), and 200m warm down minimum, then you work up an appetite. Forget the sensationalism about eating healthy at sporting events. Vegetables are not energy foods. Rice crispie squares are, even if they have sugar. Some of you are right though: the coach needs to set the expectation that the swimmer will eat performance enhancing food (regardless of hype), and make the swimmer learn it is their responsibility to make it happen. And if they choose to eat a hot dog and swim a 200 Im slowly, crying is not an option afterward. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Here's my 0.2worth from Australia (English born!) My daughter is a little skinny 7 year old who is such a fussy eater! She does love potato chips and chocolates and candy of course. However none of these are permitted if she hasn't had a healthy meal. Yesterday she decided to share this with me - completely unprompted. "mummy, in my school there are only two fat children - Taylor and Kayleigh. Everyone else is normal like me" She was so proud that her school doesn't have fat kids! And she said those two were just a little chubby, not really fat and wobbly. Her school don't ban any food except nuts or anything containing nuts (allergies) - everything else is alllowed. Fruit is free for them on a friday. Also on a Friday there is a 'Kids Cafe' where they buy their lunch - slice of pizza, sushi, sandwiches - all made fresh that day by volunteer parents! the sports teacher coaches Triathlon Kids - a truly lucky school. BUT believe me Australia is up there in the obesity stakes. I have many cousins here with very overweight children - and every time I see these families they are eating junk - literally junk. They have McD's at least once a week. We have our share of take away food but we try to make it Asian food - so steamed rice or noodles with some spring rolls or something similar. Takeaway doesn't have to mean pizza or burgers. I'm no saint - just ate a cake! |
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