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scoobysdad - 2013-02-04 11:52 AM

IMO, you let the players determine the outcome at that point in the game, not the officials. The playcalling at the goal line were truly mystifying, as were Kaepernick's decisions. On third down, you're going to throw to a covered Crabtree for three yards in the flat? Really? He would have been better just pulling the ball down and running with it instead, especially with his speed and ability. To me, Kaepernick's inexperience really showed toward the end. Still, that kid is going to be a force for years to come.



I don't know whether the blame goes with Kapernick or with the offensive coodinator, but I was shocked at how bad the playcalling was in that goal line series. Granted, the defense is compressed and they don't have as much field to cover, but I was amazed they didn't try even one option play when the Ravens D was having such a hard time stopping him. Supposedly the fade route was supposed to be a run but Kapernick audibled out of it and called the fade instead.

As for the interception, I think he just tried to put too much on the throw and it sailed on him. Moss ( the greatest receiver of all time) didn't show up for the game at all, but I don't think you can put the INT on him.



2013-02-04 12:58 PM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2013-02-04 1:42 PM
scoobysdad - 2013-02-04 11:52 AM IMO, you let the players determine the outcome at that point in the game, not the officials. The playcalling at the goal line were truly mystifying, as were Kaepernick's decisions. On third down, you're going to throw to a covered Crabtree for three yards in the flat? Really? He would have been better just pulling the ball down and running with it instead, especially with his speed and ability. To me, Kaepernick's inexperience really showed toward the end. Still, that kid is going to be a force for years to come.
I don't know whether the blame goes with Kapernick or with the offensive coodinator, but I was shocked at how bad the playcalling was in that goal line series. Granted, the defense is compressed and they don't have as much field to cover, but I was amazed they didn't try even one option play when the Ravens D was having such a hard time stopping him. Supposedly the fade route was supposed to be a run but Kapernick audibled out of it and called the fade instead. As for the interception, I think he just tried to put too much on the throw and it sailed on him. Moss ( the greatest receiver of all time) didn't show up for the game at all, but I don't think you can put the INT on him.

Moss hasn't shown up for a game since '09.

2013-02-04 1:00 PM
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scoobysdad - 2013-02-04 12:02 PM I'll add this, as someone who had no dog in the fight. I'm just shocked the Ravens won the Superbowl. I'm not sure there's ever been a more mediocre team to win it. As I look over the course of their season, the Ravens weren't a special team in any way. They weren't even all that great defensively until late in the season. But they got hot, healthy and lucky (there's no way they should have beaten Denver on that late pass) at the right time and for the last several years, that seems to have been the winning formula. Still, they are to be congratulated on being the last one standing.

Only one that comes to mind is the 2010 Packers.  



You mean the team that handily defeated the Chicago Bears in the NFC Championship, and and sent Jay Cutler crying to the sideline? The team that won the Superbowl despite having 13 players on IR and losing two more starters during the game? Yeah, nothing special about them. Well, except for the league MVP. And a defense that led the league in takeaways.


2013-02-04 1:14 PM
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scoobysdad - 2013-02-04 12:02 PM I'll add this, as someone who had no dog in the fight. I'm just shocked the Ravens won the Superbowl. I'm not sure there's ever been a more mediocre team to win it. As I look over the course of their season, the Ravens weren't a special team in any way. They weren't even all that great defensively until late in the season. But they got hot, healthy and lucky (there's no way they should have beaten Denver on that late pass) at the right time and for the last several years, that seems to have been the winning formula. Still, they are to be congratulated on being the last one standing.

Only one that comes to mind is the 2010 Packers.  

You mean the team that handily defeated the Chicago Bears in the NFC Championship, and and sent Jay Cutler crying to the sideline? The team that won the Superbowl despite having 13 players on IR and losing two more starters during the game? Yeah, nothing special about them. Well, except for the league MVP. And a defense that led the league in takeaways.

Apparently the 2010 Packers, 2007 Giants, and the 2012 Ravens are the only teams to have 10-6 regular season records and win the Super Bowl.  So mattb1 was right.

2013-02-04 1:18 PM
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scoobysdad - 2013-02-04 12:02 PM I'll add this, as someone who had no dog in the fight. I'm just shocked the Ravens won the Superbowl. I'm not sure there's ever been a more mediocre team to win it. As I look over the course of their season, the Ravens weren't a special team in any way. They weren't even all that great defensively until late in the season. But they got hot, healthy and lucky (there's no way they should have beaten Denver on that late pass) at the right time and for the last several years, that seems to have been the winning formula. Still, they are to be congratulated on being the last one standing.

Only one that comes to mind is the 2010 Packers.  

You mean the team that handily defeated the Chicago Bears in the NFC Championship, and and sent Jay Cutler crying to the sideline? The team that won the Superbowl despite having 13 players on IR and losing two more starters during the game? Yeah, nothing special about them. Well, except for the league MVP. And a defense that led the league in takeaways.

Yep that one.  They had the same record as the Ravens.  

2013-02-04 1:21 PM
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The only problem I had with the officiating was the use of the word "Bofe" (instead of both).

I could see why they called the game the way they did.



2013-02-04 1:25 PM
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scoobysdad - 2013-02-04 12:02 PM I'll add this, as someone who had no dog in the fight. I'm just shocked the Ravens won the Superbowl. I'm not sure there's ever been a more mediocre team to win it. As I look over the course of their season, the Ravens weren't a special team in any way. They weren't even all that great defensively until late in the season. But they got hot, healthy and lucky (there's no way they should have beaten Denver on that late pass) at the right time and for the last several years, that seems to have been the winning formula. Still, they are to be congratulated on being the last one standing.

Only one that comes to mind is the 2010 Packers.  

You mean the team that handily defeated the Chicago Bears in the NFC Championship, and and sent Jay Cutler crying to the sideline? The team that won the Superbowl despite having 13 players on IR and losing two more starters during the game? Yeah, nothing special about them. Well, except for the league MVP. And a defense that led the league in takeaways.

Apparently the 2010 Packers, 2007 Giants, and the 2012 Ravens are the only teams to have 10-6 regular season records and win the Super Bowl.  So mattb1 was right.

But none of them top the 9-7 New York Football Giants from last year... talk about a lack luster team winning the big game.

2013-02-04 1:36 PM
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As a Bronco fan, I still think they shouldn't even have been there.  Worst defensive play in history let them tie and win the game in Denver.

BUT, they made the most of it and got hot at the right time.  That's sports for you.

2013-02-04 1:46 PM
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scoobysdad - 2013-02-04 12:02 PM I'll add this, as someone who had no dog in the fight. I'm just shocked the Ravens won the Superbowl. I'm not sure there's ever been a more mediocre team to win it. As I look over the course of their season, the Ravens weren't a special team in any way. They weren't even all that great defensively until late in the season. But they got hot, healthy and lucky (there's no way they should have beaten Denver on that late pass) at the right time and for the last several years, that seems to have been the winning formula. Still, they are to be congratulated on being the last one standing.

Only one that comes to mind is the 2010 Packers.  

You mean the team that handily defeated the Chicago Bears in the NFC Championship, and and sent Jay Cutler crying to the sideline? The team that won the Superbowl despite having 13 players on IR and losing two more starters during the game? Yeah, nothing special about them. Well, except for the league MVP. And a defense that led the league in takeaways.

Apparently the 2010 Packers, 2007 Giants, and the 2012 Ravens are the only teams to have 10-6 regular season records and win the Super Bowl.  So mattb1 was right.

But none of them top the 9-7 New York Football Giants from last year... talk about a lack luster team winning the big game.



Yes, yes. I was just giving the Bears fan some s*** for ripping my Packers.

My original point stands-- all the recent SB winners are teams that got hot at just the right time, and most barely made the playoffs. But each of those teams had some defining special quality (NYG-- pass rush and a clutch QB, GB-- a top-ranked passing attack). The Ravens? Whole lotta blah. Just nothing special, except maybe the inexplicable hot streak that Joe Flacco, a QB who previously defined the word mediocre, went on in the playoffs. And even there, a couple of his biggest pass completions-- the long pass to Torrey Smith against Denver and that huge third down pass to Anquan Boldin in which he just threw it up for grabs-- were more the result of poor defense and plain luck.

Just saying, IMO, the stars just kind of aligned for the Ravens this year. If I did power rankings right now for next season, the Ravens would be behind the 49'ers, Broncos, Packers, Falcons and Patriots. That's saying a lot for a team that just won the Superbowl.

But again, I give them credit. They did what it took to win this year.



2013-02-04 2:27 PM
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scoobysdad - 2013-02-04 12:52 PM IMO, you let the players determine the outcome at that point in the game, not the officials.  

I hate this line of thinking. The players did decide; the defender decided to hold the receiver but the ref lacked the intestinal fortitude to hold him accountable for his decision.

Did anybody else see the double team holding right in the middle of the field on the kick return TD? Or when Flacco was hit well out of bounds? Or the bear hug on the punt safety play? I was shocked and disappointed by the non-calls. Is the NFL going the way of the NBA? I sure hope not.

2013-02-04 2:31 PM
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Mike Pereira, former VP of Officials says he wouldn't have thrown a flag.  Good article.  Kind of answers your comment too Brad.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/mike-pereira-super-bowl-xlvii-calls-no-holding-on-crucial-play-020313

"Is the NFL going the way of the NBA?"  Difference being that Basketball is not supposed to involve that much contact.  Football is supposed to involve a lot of contact.  Maybe the refs are looking more for the big hits that they are supposed to flag than the chippy penalties. 

5 penalties by the 49ers, 2 by the Ravens.  That keeps the game moving.



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scoobysdad - 2013-02-04 12:02 PM I'll add this, as someone who had no dog in the fight. I'm just shocked the Ravens won the Superbowl. I'm not sure there's ever been a more mediocre team to win it. As I look over the course of their season, the Ravens weren't a special team in any way. They weren't even all that great defensively until late in the season. But they got hot, healthy and lucky (there's no way they should have beaten Denver on that late pass) at the right time and for the last several years, that seems to have been the winning formula. Still, they are to be congratulated on being the last one standing.

Only one that comes to mind is the 2010 Packers.  

You mean the team that handily defeated the Chicago Bears in the NFC Championship, and and sent Jay Cutler crying to the sideline? The team that won the Superbowl despite having 13 players on IR and losing two more starters during the game? Yeah, nothing special about them. Well, except for the league MVP. And a defense that led the league in takeaways.

Apparently the 2010 Packers, 2007 Giants, and the 2012 Ravens are the only teams to have 10-6 regular season records and win the Super Bowl.  So mattb1 was right.

But none of them top the 9-7 New York Football Giants from last year... talk about a lack luster team winning the big game.

Yes, yes. I was just giving the Bears fan some s*** for ripping my Packers. My original point stands-- all the recent SB winners are teams that got hot at just the right time, and most barely made the playoffs. But each of those teams had some defining special quality (NYG-- pass rush and a clutch QB, GB-- a top-ranked passing attack). The Ravens? Whole lotta blah. Just nothing special, except maybe the inexplicable hot streak that Joe Flacco, a QB who previously defined the word mediocre, went on in the playoffs. And even there, a couple of his biggest pass completions-- the long pass to Torrey Smith against Denver and that huge third down pass to Anquan Boldin in which he just threw it up for grabs-- were more the result of poor defense and plain luck. Just saying, IMO, the stars just kind of aligned for the Ravens this year. If I did power rankings right now for next season, the Ravens would be behind the 49'ers, Broncos, Packers, Falcons and Patriots. That's saying a lot for a team that just won the Superbowl. But again, I give them credit. They did what it took to win this year.

Hello... God gave the win to the Ravens to hold Lewis up in glory and prove he had nothing to do with two murders... "cause he don't make mistakes". Just ask Ray.

 

Broncos too. It's the only way to explain how you let ANYONE get behind you with the win in the bag and 30 seconds left and the other team HAS to score a TD to tie.

I wanted SF to win. They came back, but ran out of time... You can't spot 22 points and expect to come back in the SB. Kappernick is young, but I gave the edge to SF for being there last year. I expected them to be the least effected by the big stage, but that is exactly how it seemed for the first half. You can't count them out and I knew they would come back. Tough game... back to back trips to the SB and you go home empty handed. Ouch. Mayber Jim Kelly can help them out.

2013-02-04 2:52 PM
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powerman - 2013-02-04 2:46 PM

Kappernick is young, but I gave the edge to SF for being there last year. I expected them to be the least effected by the big stage, but that is exactly how it seemed for the first half. You can't count them out and I knew they would come back. Tough game... back to back trips to the SB and you go home empty handed. Ouch. Mayber Jim Kelly can help them out.



Not to be picky, but SF didn't go to the Superbowl last year. The Giants beat them in the NFC Championship and then went on to win the Big Dance, remember?

2013-02-04 2:53 PM
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I thought the officiating was okay.  You can get ticky tacky on every play if you want.  Bottom line is that when your season is on the line, and you call a corner/fade route...you are gambling that either your guy will get open and make a great catch...or that the ref is going to call PI.  I thought it was a dumb call to make with a quarterback not known for his touch on such throws, and with a receiver not known to be good at jump balls.  If we were talking about Brady throwing a corner fade to a healthy Gronk...that's a different story. 

Overall though, it was a very entertaining game to watch.  Lots of big plays and mistakes where tides could have turned.  The turnovers were all huge.  The fake FG...returned KO for TD.  Horrible clock management and uses of TOs in the first and second half.

Kapernick does seem to have a very bright future though.  His arm is simply amazing.  He needs a season or two more to anticipate throws though.  The commentators were right in that he waits for receivers to get open, then uses his arm strength to get the ball there before defenders close in. 

Once again, this year proved that you don't need to have the best team to win the Super Bowl.  You just need to make the playoffs, get healthy, and play well for 3-4 games.

2013-02-04 2:58 PM
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dmbfan4life20 - 2013-02-04 1:09 PM

GO RAVENS!!! very happy for my team and it was a great game to watch. I dont think the last play was a foul. You are allowed to jam a receiver and have contact at the line of scrimmage for up to 5 yards. just because it was in the endzone, does not mean it wasnt within the 5 yards. Also, Crabtree ran into the defender trying to take him inside, at that point all bets are off. I dont think the ball would have been catchable either as it landed a bit out of bounds but either way I am happy with the no call. I am surprised that Carey Williams did not get ejected for shoving the ref but I am sure he will get  a hefty fine by the end of the week. I liked the fact that the Refs let them play and didnt call everything. Made the game a little more exciting.

And tried to push off Smith by shoving his hand to the top of his head.  Crabtree initiated the contact and both players were fighting each other.

And I can't understand why anyone is fussing about holding on the final safety/punt by Koch.  Even if there are 10 holding penalties on the Ravens on that play, the exact same result would have happened (safety, 4 seconds left).  I've read where the Ravens were specifically instructed to grab the 49er players to keep them from getting to Koch, ticking off precious seconds.

2013-02-04 3:00 PM
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scoobysdad - 2013-02-04 12:02 PM I'll add this, as someone who had no dog in the fight. I'm just shocked the Ravens won the Superbowl. I'm not sure there's ever been a more mediocre team to win it. As I look over the course of their season, the Ravens weren't a special team in any way. They weren't even all that great defensively until late in the season. But they got hot, healthy and lucky (there's no way they should have beaten Denver on that late pass) at the right time and for the last several years, that seems to have been the winning formula. Still, they are to be congratulated on being the last one standing.

Only one that comes to mind is the 2010 Packers.  

You mean the team that handily defeated the Chicago Bears in the NFC Championship, and and sent Jay Cutler crying to the sideline? The team that won the Superbowl despite having 13 players on IR and losing two more starters during the game? Yeah, nothing special about them. Well, except for the league MVP. And a defense that led the league in takeaways.

Apparently the 2010 Packers, 2007 Giants, and the 2012 Ravens are the only teams to have 10-6 regular season records and win the Super Bowl.  So mattb1 was right.

But none of them top the 9-7 New York Football Giants from last year... talk about a lack luster team winning the big game.

Yes, yes. I was just giving the Bears fan some s*** for ripping my Packers. My original point stands-- all the recent SB winners are teams that got hot at just the right time, and most barely made the playoffs. But each of those teams had some defining special quality (NYG-- pass rush and a clutch QB, GB-- a top-ranked passing attack). The Ravens? Whole lotta blah. Just nothing special, except maybe the inexplicable hot streak that Joe Flacco, a QB who previously defined the word mediocre, went on in the playoffs. And even there, a couple of his biggest pass completions-- the long pass to Torrey Smith against Denver and that huge third down pass to Anquan Boldin in which he just threw it up for grabs-- were more the result of poor defense and plain luck. Just saying, IMO, the stars just kind of aligned for the Ravens this year. If I did power rankings right now for next season, the Ravens would be behind the 49'ers, Broncos, Packers, Falcons and Patriots. That's saying a lot for a team that just won the Superbowl. But again, I give them credit. They did what it took to win this year.

Hello... God gave the win to the Ravens to hold Lewis up in glory and prove he had nothing to do with two murders... "cause he don't make mistakes". Just ask Ray.

 

Broncos too. It's the only way to explain how you let ANYONE get behind you with the win in the bag and 30 seconds left and the other team HAS to score a TD to tie.

I wanted SF to win. They came back, but ran out of time... You can't spot 22 points and expect to come back in the SB. Kappernick is young, but I gave the edge to SF for being there last year. I expected them to be the least effected by the big stage, but that is exactly how it seemed for the first half. You can't count them out and I knew they would come back. Tough game... back to back trips to the SB and you go home empty handed. Ouch. Mayber Jim Kelly can help them out.

Both SF and BAL lost in the conference championships last year.  So they were both there last year.  I'm confused on the second bold comment...  The Giants won the SB last year...

I'm also interested in seeing how you blame the Broncos D when Peyton had 2 fumbles and 2 Ints in that game.  Seems he could've helped the effort by hanging onto the ball.  He had a great game, but those two things didn't help him.



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GO RAVENS!!! very happy for my team and it was a great game to watch. I dont think the last play was a foul. You are allowed to jam a receiver and have contact at the line of scrimmage for up to 5 yards. just because it was in the endzone, does not mean it wasnt within the 5 yards. Also, Crabtree ran into the defender trying to take him inside, at that point all bets are off. I dont think the ball would have been catchable either as it landed a bit out of bounds but either way I am happy with the no call. I am surprised that Carey Williams did not get ejected for shoving the ref but I am sure he will get  a hefty fine by the end of the week. I liked the fact that the Refs let them play and didnt call everything. Made the game a little more exciting.

And tried to push off Smith by shoving his hand to the top of his head.  Crabtree initiated the contact and both players were fighting each other.

And I can't understand why anyone is fussing about holding on the final safety/punt by Koch.  Even if there are 10 holding penalties on the Ravens on that play, the exact same result would have happened (safety, 4 seconds left).  I've read where the Ravens were specifically instructed to grab the 49er players to keep them from getting to Koch, ticking off precious seconds.



How many times does it need to be said, it does NOT matter who made contact first or if it was in the first 5 yards, you CANNOT hold the receiver, ever.
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Also, interesting fact, SF lost (or tied) every third game this year, won every other game.
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GomesBolt - 2013-02-04 2:00 PM

Both SF and BAL lost in the conference championships last year.  So they were both there last year.  I'm confused on the second bold comment...  The Giants won the SB last year...

I'm also interested in seeing how you blame the Broncos D when Peyton had 2 fumbles and 2 Ints in that game.  Seems he could've helped the effort by hanging onto the ball.  He had a great game, but those two things didn't help him.

You should be, I'm a moron... I know that, but for some stupid reason that keeps getting stuck in my head. I think the loss of brain cells is accelerating. Pay no attention to me.

 

The Broncos loss was a team effort. The first INT was nothing more than a tip drill in traffic... you can't put that on Peyton... and ya lucky catch and in for 6. But it was also Peyton that brought them back. The game is won. You are ahead. 36 second and you move on... they HAVE to score a touchdown and Flaco has been lighting you up all night.... HOW in the HELL do you let a guy get behind two defenders? How do you not have a prevent package, how do you not have two safeties on the GL???

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GO RAVENS!!! very happy for my team and it was a great game to watch. I dont think the last play was a foul. You are allowed to jam a receiver and have contact at the line of scrimmage for up to 5 yards. just because it was in the endzone, does not mean it wasnt within the 5 yards. Also, Crabtree ran into the defender trying to take him inside, at that point all bets are off. I dont think the ball would have been catchable either as it landed a bit out of bounds but either way I am happy with the no call. I am surprised that Carey Williams did not get ejected for shoving the ref but I am sure he will get  a hefty fine by the end of the week. I liked the fact that the Refs let them play and didnt call everything. Made the game a little more exciting.

And tried to push off Smith by shoving his hand to the top of his head.  Crabtree initiated the contact and both players were fighting each other.

And I can't understand why anyone is fussing about holding on the final safety/punt by Koch.  Even if there are 10 holding penalties on the Ravens on that play, the exact same result would have happened (safety, 4 seconds left).  I've read where the Ravens were specifically instructed to grab the 49er players to keep them from getting to Koch, ticking off precious seconds.

How many times does it need to be said, it does NOT matter who made contact first or if it was in the first 5 yards, you CANNOT hold the receiver, ever.

What I'm saying is Crabtree was just as guilty of illegal contact; you CANNOT push off the defender to create separation, and that's exactly what he did.

If you mismanage the clock and basically have your whole season riding on an up for grabs fade pattern (poorly thrown for that matter...), you deserve to lose the game.  It would've been a shame for the refs to bail out the 49ers on that play, when they damn near let everything go contact-wise in this game (see:  Flacco getting decked three yards out of bounds, Torrey Smith being obstructed at least twice).  And Akers should get an Oscar for that acting job on the "running into the kicker" nonsense.

But that's just a Bawlmer fan talkin'.  Smile

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GO RAVENS!!! very happy for my team and it was a great game to watch. I dont think the last play was a foul. You are allowed to jam a receiver and have contact at the line of scrimmage for up to 5 yards. just because it was in the endzone, does not mean it wasnt within the 5 yards. Also, Crabtree ran into the defender trying to take him inside, at that point all bets are off. I dont think the ball would have been catchable either as it landed a bit out of bounds but either way I am happy with the no call. I am surprised that Carey Williams did not get ejected for shoving the ref but I am sure he will get  a hefty fine by the end of the week. I liked the fact that the Refs let them play and didnt call everything. Made the game a little more exciting.

And tried to push off Smith by shoving his hand to the top of his head.  Crabtree initiated the contact and both players were fighting each other.

And I can't understand why anyone is fussing about holding on the final safety/punt by Koch.  Even if there are 10 holding penalties on the Ravens on that play, the exact same result would have happened (safety, 4 seconds left).  I've read where the Ravens were specifically instructed to grab the 49er players to keep them from getting to Koch, ticking off precious seconds.

How many times does it need to be said, it does NOT matter who made contact first or if it was in the first 5 yards, you CANNOT hold the receiver, ever.

What I'm saying is Crabtree was just as guilty of illegal contact; you CANNOT push off the defender to create separation, and that's exactly what he did.

Fine. Offsetting penalties, replay the down. They seemed to have no problem calling offsetting penalties earlier in the game.



2013-02-04 7:00 PM
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jmhpsu93 - 2013-02-04 1:29 PM
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jmhpsu93 - 2013-02-04 1:58 PM
dmbfan4life20 - 2013-02-04 1:09 PM

GO RAVENS!!! very happy for my team and it was a great game to watch. I dont think the last play was a foul. You are allowed to jam a receiver and have contact at the line of scrimmage for up to 5 yards. just because it was in the endzone, does not mean it wasnt within the 5 yards. Also, Crabtree ran into the defender trying to take him inside, at that point all bets are off. I dont think the ball would have been catchable either as it landed a bit out of bounds but either way I am happy with the no call. I am surprised that Carey Williams did not get ejected for shoving the ref but I am sure he will get  a hefty fine by the end of the week. I liked the fact that the Refs let them play and didnt call everything. Made the game a little more exciting.

And tried to push off Smith by shoving his hand to the top of his head.  Crabtree initiated the contact and both players were fighting each other.

And I can't understand why anyone is fussing about holding on the final safety/punt by Koch.  Even if there are 10 holding penalties on the Ravens on that play, the exact same result would have happened (safety, 4 seconds left).  I've read where the Ravens were specifically instructed to grab the 49er players to keep them from getting to Koch, ticking off precious seconds.

How many times does it need to be said, it does NOT matter who made contact first or if it was in the first 5 yards, you CANNOT hold the receiver, ever.

What I'm saying is Crabtree was just as guilty of illegal contact; you CANNOT push off the defender to create separation, and that's exactly what he did.

If you mismanage the clock and basically have your whole season riding on an up for grabs fade pattern (poorly thrown for that matter...), you deserve to lose the game.  It would've been a shame for the refs to bail out the 49ers on that play, when they damn near let everything go contact-wise in this game (see:  Flacco getting decked three yards out of bounds, Torrey Smith being obstructed at least twice).  And Akers should get an Oscar for that acting job on the "running into the kicker" nonsense.

But that's just a Bawlmer fan talkin'.  Smile

While agree they shouldn't have been in that position, were you equally disappointed with the officials bailing out Flacco on the 3rd down throw to Boldin with 9 minutes to go? Without the field goal that followed, the 49ers wouldn't have been in the position of needing a touchdown and we wouldn't be talking about a play that never would have happened.

I am ok with letting them play, it just needs to be called that way consistently.

 

As for what would make the game more exciting, Flacco with the ball, 2 minutes, 3 timeouts and down by 3 would have been a whole lot more exciting than watching the punter run around the endzone with 10 seconds to go.

2013-02-04 7:52 PM
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I am ok with letting them play, it just needs to be called that way consistently.

 Sort of how like they let the 49ers and Falcons play out 4th down in the NFC championship and not throw the flag on Bowman?



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tri808 - 2013-02-04 7:52 PM

Isn't it ironic that the 49ers advanced to the super bowl because of a non call on Bowman on 4th down against Atlanta. 

 

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jmhpsu93 - 2013-02-04 2:58 PM

dmbfan4life20 - 2013-02-04 1:09 PM

GO RAVENS!!! very happy for my team and it was a great game to watch. I dont think the last play was a foul. You are allowed to jam a receiver and have contact at the line of scrimmage for up to 5 yards. just because it was in the endzone, does not mean it wasnt within the 5 yards. Also, Crabtree ran into the defender trying to take him inside, at that point all bets are off. I dont think the ball would have been catchable either as it landed a bit out of bounds but either way I am happy with the no call. I am surprised that Carey Williams did not get ejected for shoving the ref but I am sure he will get  a hefty fine by the end of the week. I liked the fact that the Refs let them play and didnt call everything. Made the game a little more exciting.

And tried to push off Smith by shoving his hand to the top of his head.  Crabtree initiated the contact and both players were fighting each other.

And I can't understand why anyone is fussing about holding on the final safety/punt by Koch.  Even if there are 10 holding penalties on the Ravens on that play, the exact same result would have happened (safety, 4 seconds left).  I've read where the Ravens were specifically instructed to grab the 49er players to keep them from getting to Koch, ticking off precious seconds.



I just watched the play again. It's actually hilarious-the Ravens O-line is grabbing and holding all over the place. One lineman unabashedly tackles a Niner player.

I understand that the result would have been the same, but shouldn't the refs have at least thrown flags?

Edited by jmk-brooklyn 2013-02-04 8:39 PM
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