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 2013-06-13 9:06 AM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Member 20 Ohio |  Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"?My coach sent me an article about a study done by the American Athletic Institute regarding alcohol and drugs. They found that hormones are diminished for up to 96 hours after drinking, which affects many things such as muscle growth and repair, mental toughness, pain tolerance, fatigue perception, training effect and recovery. They also conducted a muscle biopsy, recording levels of 12 different enzymes, and found that after 2 weeks of quality training 10 of the 12 enzymes had risen in level as expected. They did the same study on the same person afterward but had the individual drink once each week and found that 9 of the 12 had actually decreased in level and some went back to where they originally were before the training (showing that drinking had basically negated 2 weeks of training). There was also another study showing that drinking almost doubles the rate of injury. All these tests were performed on Olympic-caliber athletes, so their effects could be even worse on the average person. Just a few reasons I'm avoiding it (as much as possible) for my IM training.  |
| 2013-06-13 9:51 AM in reply to: Riblet21 |
106 | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? I read a study last year that found that Dark beers, in moderation, can aid in muscle recovery after a workout. Nothing of great significance in recovery, but that's enough for me to give it a try. |
| 2013-06-13 10:14 AM in reply to: Goosedog |
Regular 866  Central Coast, CA | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by Goosedog The answer is IPA. Founders, Stone, Lagunitas, Bells, Dogfish, Avery and/or Birdsong (local, awesome!). The answer is indeed IPA! So far my "after race" tradition has been Racer 5 IPA. |
| 2013-06-13 10:15 AM in reply to: Goosedog |
Regular 1358 Jenison, MI | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by Goosedog I live 15 minutes from Founders. I've been known to enjoy more than one All Day IPA or Centennial IPA. I've also had quite a few Dirty Bastards after a ride or run. Powerful stuff. The only problem is that if I use it as a recovery (mentally, at least), I will generally need to physically recover the next day! hahaThe answer is IPA. Founders, Stone, Lagunitas, Bells, Dogfish, Avery and/or Birdsong (local, awesome!). |
| 2013-06-13 10:18 AM in reply to: Swimbikeron |
Regular 1358 Jenison, MI | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by Swimbikeron Those Spotted Cows will tear up your system if you have more than a couple. Come on, pasteurize!Everything in moderation... After a race, I like a: 1. New Glarus Spotted Cow 2. Blue Moon 3. Whatever is free or cold |
| 2013-06-13 10:23 AM in reply to: erik.norgaard |
Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by erik.norgaard Originally posted by VGT OK, I'm European, we have different view of nudging over here. But: It's not just about you having a beer after a race, there's a difference between having it for you to buy in the bar and sponsoring a sports event. It's about associating sports, exercise, active and healthy lifestyle with alcohol. It sends a signal to the next generation that drinking is part of a healthy lifestyle. It is not. IMHO, breweries should let their alcohol free beers sponsor these events to promote these alternatives. Originally posted by erik.norgaard I must admit that I'm a bit offended when races have breweries sponsoring the event, I think that alcohol shouldn't be linked with sports. Why not? I find that to be a little absurd. We're adults, and we train extremely hard and balance life in the process. To suggest that we cannot also responsibly consume alcohol is a bit short-sighted. Super interesting perspective. All though I disagree with the bolded. Responsible drinking can very much be part of a healthy lifestyle. |
| 2013-06-13 10:24 AM in reply to: jeetkevdo |
Iron Donkey 38643  , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Leinenkugel's Summer Shandy is a nice refresher. |
| 2013-06-13 10:30 AM in reply to: erik.norgaard |
Member 140 Indian Hills, CO | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by erik.norgaard It sends a signal to the next generation that drinking is part of a healthy lifestyle. It is not. I disagree with this 100% |
| 2013-06-13 10:41 AM in reply to: lisac957 |
Champion 10550 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? While I don't drink beer (I know, I know, I'm a bad Canadian) - I really like a nice g&t in the summer, or a glass of wine in the winter after training.
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| 2013-06-13 10:41 AM in reply to: cnsegura |
| 106 | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by cnsegura Add me to the Yes demographic. I'm just now starting to get into home brewing so I imagine there will be a fair amount of experimenting with what beer is best for recovery and as a pre-race boost (I have a feeling that last one will take some time) Homebrewing for 4 years now and be careful the hobby is just as addicting as tri !! They are both rewarding in their own way. |
| 2013-06-13 10:42 AM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL Gold member | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Beer is good... It's not like its a regular practice, but I do enjoy a nice cold one after a strenuous workout while floating around in the backyard pool for my cool off period! Best post race party I've ever been a part of is the Boilermaker 15k in Utica NY. The finish and after race concert with food and beer is at Matts Brewery. |
| 2013-06-13 10:48 AM in reply to: indianhillsted |
Veteran 869 Stevens Point, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? I like the beer after a race, or on the weekend. I have found that with my increase in training I can't hold my liquor at all any more. I usually don't drink during the week, but will have a brew or two on Friday or Saturday night (or both!). The key is moderation as with most things in life, I don't get smashed anymore like I did in college, although I have been known to enjoy a few extra pints on special occasions  . I find it great motivation if I know there is a cold, delicious beer waiting for me at the finish line. |
| 2013-06-13 10:49 AM in reply to: indianhillsted |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? I'll have a couple of glasses of red wine with dinner during the week. If I drink beer it's on Friday evenings when we normally go out to end the work week. I'll have two or three Michelob Ultras, depending on what I'm having for dinner. I don't look at alcohol as a "recovery drink" per se (that's what low-fat chocolate milk is for... Mark
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), but more as a reward or way to make life a bit more enjoyable.| 2013-06-13 10:51 AM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Expert 1128 Fort Riley, Kansas | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Not much of a beer fan, but I love hard cider! A hard cider after a race or long training day is my favorite reward |
| 2013-06-13 10:57 AM in reply to: jeetkevdo |
| 57 | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? I luv a good thread recovery drink beer. |
| 2013-06-13 11:23 AM in reply to: erik.norgaard |
| Canyon, Texas | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by erik.norgaard Originally posted by VGT Originally posted by erik.norgaard I must admit that I'm a bit offended when races have breweries sponsoring the event, I think that alcohol shouldn't be linked with sports. Why not? I find that to be a little absurd. We're adults, and we train extremely hard and balance life in the process. To suggest that we cannot also responsibly consume alcohol is a bit short-sighted. OK, I'm European, we have different view of nudging over here. But: It's not just about you having a beer after a race, there's a difference between having it for you to buy in the bar and sponsoring a sports event. It's about associating sports, exercise, active and healthy lifestyle with alcohol. It sends a signal to the next generation that drinking is part of a healthy lifestyle. It is not. IMHO, breweries should let their alcohol free beers sponsor these events to promote these alternatives. Does Jager count? Just kidding. Alcohol still dehydrates the body right? Personally, with the exception of an occasional Bloody Mary with dinner I do not drink at all because of the negative health and lifestyle consequences. I don't see many alcoholics succeeding in life, much less athletics, so yes I agree with Erik, I think it sends a bad message. Alcohol ruins many lives, folks. I think the difference between beer sponsors and Taco Bell is that a Nachos Bell Grande does not carry endless legislation regulating its distribution and consumption, nor the criminal liabilities and negative social sanctions involved in irresponsible product usage. |
| 2013-06-13 11:26 AM in reply to: tlancer23 |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by tlancer23 Originally posted by erik.norgaard Does Jager count? Just kidding. Alcohol still dehydrates the body right? Personally, with the exception of an occasional Bloody Mary with dinner I do not drink at all because of the negative health and lifestyle consequences. I don't see many alcoholics succeeding in life, much less athletics, so yes I agree with Erik, I think it sends a bad message. Alcohol ruins many lives, folks. I think the difference between beer sponsors and Taco Bell is that a Nachos Bell Grande does not carry endless legislation regulating its distribution and consumption, nor the criminal liabilities and negative social sanctions involved in irresponsible product usage. Originally posted by VGT OK, I'm European, we have different view of nudging over here. But: It's not just about you having a beer after a race, there's a difference between having it for you to buy in the bar and sponsoring a sports event. It's about associating sports, exercise, active and healthy lifestyle with alcohol. It sends a signal to the next generation that drinking is part of a healthy lifestyle. It is not. IMHO, breweries should let their alcohol free beers sponsor these events to promote these alternatives. Originally posted by erik.norgaard I must admit that I'm a bit offended when races have breweries sponsoring the event, I think that alcohol shouldn't be linked with sports. Why not? I find that to be a little absurd. We're adults, and we train extremely hard and balance life in the process. To suggest that we cannot also responsibly consume alcohol is a bit short-sighted. uhhhh....there are lots of people that have a beer after a run that aren't alcoholics. what a broad brush we have. |
| 2013-06-13 11:33 AM in reply to: tlancer23 |
Expert 3145 Scottsdale, AZ | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by tlancer23 Originally posted by erik.norgaard Originally posted by VGT Originally posted by erik.norgaard I must admit that I'm a bit offended when races have breweries sponsoring the event, I think that alcohol shouldn't be linked with sports. Why not? I find that to be a little absurd. We're adults, and we train extremely hard and balance life in the process. To suggest that we cannot also responsibly consume alcohol is a bit short-sighted. OK, I'm European, we have different view of nudging over here. But: It's not just about you having a beer after a race, there's a difference between having it for you to buy in the bar and sponsoring a sports event. It's about associating sports, exercise, active and healthy lifestyle with alcohol. It sends a signal to the next generation that drinking is part of a healthy lifestyle. It is not. IMHO, breweries should let their alcohol free beers sponsor these events to promote these alternatives. I think the difference between beer sponsors and Taco Bell is that a Nachos Bell Grande does not carry endless legislation regulating its distribution and consumption, nor the criminal liabilities and negative social sanctions involved in irresponsible product usage. True but perhaps it should be, at least judging by what I see walking in and out of Taco Bell That's half sarcastic, three quarters serious. |
| 2013-06-13 11:33 AM in reply to: mehaner |
| Canyon, Texas | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by mehaner Originally posted by tlancer23 Originally posted by erik.norgaard Does Jager count? Just kidding. Alcohol still dehydrates the body right? Personally, with the exception of an occasional Bloody Mary with dinner I do not drink at all because of the negative health and lifestyle consequences. I don't see many alcoholics succeeding in life, much less athletics, so yes I agree with Erik, I think it sends a bad message. Alcohol ruins many lives, folks. I think the difference between beer sponsors and Taco Bell is that a Nachos Bell Grande does not carry endless legislation regulating its distribution and consumption, nor the criminal liabilities and negative social sanctions involved in irresponsible product usage. Originally posted by VGT OK, I'm European, we have different view of nudging over here. But: It's not just about you having a beer after a race, there's a difference between having it for you to buy in the bar and sponsoring a sports event. It's about associating sports, exercise, active and healthy lifestyle with alcohol. It sends a signal to the next generation that drinking is part of a healthy lifestyle. It is not. IMHO, breweries should let their alcohol free beers sponsor these events to promote these alternatives. Originally posted by erik.norgaard I must admit that I'm a bit offended when races have breweries sponsoring the event, I think that alcohol shouldn't be linked with sports. Why not? I find that to be a little absurd. We're adults, and we train extremely hard and balance life in the process. To suggest that we cannot also responsibly consume alcohol is a bit short-sighted. uhhhh....there are lots of people that have a beer after a run that aren't alcoholics. what a broad brush we have. You are the one making the assumption that a beer equates to an alcoholic, not me. No need to feel defensive... unless you consider yourself an alcoholic. |
| 2013-06-13 11:34 AM in reply to: tlancer23 |
Expert 3145 Scottsdale, AZ | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by tlancer23 Originally posted by mehaner Originally posted by tlancer23 Originally posted by erik.norgaard Does Jager count? Just kidding. Alcohol still dehydrates the body right? Personally, with the exception of an occasional Bloody Mary with dinner I do not drink at all because of the negative health and lifestyle consequences. I don't see many alcoholics succeeding in life, much less athletics, so yes I agree with Erik, I think it sends a bad message. Alcohol ruins many lives, folks. I think the difference between beer sponsors and Taco Bell is that a Nachos Bell Grande does not carry endless legislation regulating its distribution and consumption, nor the criminal liabilities and negative social sanctions involved in irresponsible product usage. Originally posted by VGT OK, I'm European, we have different view of nudging over here. But: It's not just about you having a beer after a race, there's a difference between having it for you to buy in the bar and sponsoring a sports event. It's about associating sports, exercise, active and healthy lifestyle with alcohol. It sends a signal to the next generation that drinking is part of a healthy lifestyle. It is not. IMHO, breweries should let their alcohol free beers sponsor these events to promote these alternatives. Originally posted by erik.norgaard I must admit that I'm a bit offended when races have breweries sponsoring the event, I think that alcohol shouldn't be linked with sports. Why not? I find that to be a little absurd. We're adults, and we train extremely hard and balance life in the process. To suggest that we cannot also responsibly consume alcohol is a bit short-sighted. uhhhh....there are lots of people that have a beer after a run that aren't alcoholics. what a broad brush we have. You are the one making the assumption that a beer equates to an alcoholic, not me. No need to feel defensive... unless you consider yourself an alcoholic. That's the way a newb makes friends...bravo! |
| 2013-06-13 11:37 AM in reply to: tlancer23 |
Master 2167 Livonia, MI | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by tlancer23 Originally posted by mehaner You are the one making the assumption that a beer equates to an alcoholic, not me. No need to feel defensive... unless you consider yourself an alcoholic. Originally posted by tlancer23 Originally posted by erik.norgaard Does Jager count? Just kidding. Alcohol still dehydrates the body right? Personally, with the exception of an occasional Bloody Mary with dinner I do not drink at all because of the negative health and lifestyle consequences. I don't see many alcoholics succeeding in life, much less athletics, so yes I agree with Erik, I think it sends a bad message. Alcohol ruins many lives, folks. I think the difference between beer sponsors and Taco Bell is that a Nachos Bell Grande does not carry endless legislation regulating its distribution and consumption, nor the criminal liabilities and negative social sanctions involved in irresponsible product usage. Originally posted by VGT OK, I'm European, we have different view of nudging over here. But: It's not just about you having a beer after a race, there's a difference between having it for you to buy in the bar and sponsoring a sports event. It's about associating sports, exercise, active and healthy lifestyle with alcohol. It sends a signal to the next generation that drinking is part of a healthy lifestyle. It is not. IMHO, breweries should let their alcohol free beers sponsor these events to promote these alternatives. Originally posted by erik.norgaard I must admit that I'm a bit offended when races have breweries sponsoring the event, I think that alcohol shouldn't be linked with sports. Why not? I find that to be a little absurd. We're adults, and we train extremely hard and balance life in the process. To suggest that we cannot also responsibly consume alcohol is a bit short-sighted. uhhhh....there are lots of people that have a beer after a run that aren't alcoholics. what a broad brush we have. Owwwwch. That seems a bit harsh. |
| 2013-06-13 11:39 AM in reply to: Riblet21 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by Riblet21 My coach sent me an article about a study done by the American Athletic Institute regarding alcohol and drugs. They found that hormones are diminished for up to 96 hours after drinking, which affects many things such as muscle growth and repair, mental toughness, pain tolerance, fatigue perception, training effect and recovery. They also conducted a muscle biopsy, recording levels of 12 different enzymes, and found that after 2 weeks of quality training 10 of the 12 enzymes had risen in level as expected. They did the same study on the same person afterward but had the individual drink once each week and found that 9 of the 12 had actually decreased in level and some went back to where they originally were before the training (showing that drinking had basically negated 2 weeks of training). There was also another study showing that drinking almost doubles the rate of injury. All these tests were performed on Olympic-caliber athletes, so their effects could be even worse on the average person. Just a few reasons I'm avoiding it (as much as possible) for my IM training. ;) Do you have a link to the original article? |
| 2013-06-13 11:39 AM in reply to: tlancer23 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by tlancer23 Originally posted by mehaner You are the one making the assumption that a beer equates to an alcoholic, not me. No need to feel defensive... unless you consider yourself an alcoholic. Originally posted by tlancer23 Originally posted by erik.norgaard Does Jager count? Just kidding. Alcohol still dehydrates the body right? Personally, with the exception of an occasional Bloody Mary with dinner I do not drink at all because of the negative health and lifestyle consequences. I don't see many alcoholics succeeding in life, much less athletics, so yes I agree with Erik, I think it sends a bad message. Alcohol ruins many lives, folks. I think the difference between beer sponsors and Taco Bell is that a Nachos Bell Grande does not carry endless legislation regulating its distribution and consumption, nor the criminal liabilities and negative social sanctions involved in irresponsible product usage. Originally posted by VGT OK, I'm European, we have different view of nudging over here. But: It's not just about you having a beer after a race, there's a difference between having it for you to buy in the bar and sponsoring a sports event. It's about associating sports, exercise, active and healthy lifestyle with alcohol. It sends a signal to the next generation that drinking is part of a healthy lifestyle. It is not. IMHO, breweries should let their alcohol free beers sponsor these events to promote these alternatives. Originally posted by erik.norgaard I must admit that I'm a bit offended when races have breweries sponsoring the event, I think that alcohol shouldn't be linked with sports. Why not? I find that to be a little absurd. We're adults, and we train extremely hard and balance life in the process. To suggest that we cannot also responsibly consume alcohol is a bit short-sighted. uhhhh....there are lots of people that have a beer after a run that aren't alcoholics. what a broad brush we have. Sorry but your quote (bolded) jumped from having one drink to alcoholism. The way I read it, you were the one who made that connection. |
| 2013-06-13 11:41 AM in reply to: mehaner |
New user 61 South Central PA | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? There was a 2007 spanish study that showed that beer was "slightly better" at hydrating you than water after strenuous exercise. Here's Steve Edward's thoughts on that--> http://steve-edwards.blogspot.com/2011/08/is-beer-really-better-tha... I used to work right next to the Troeg's brewery before they moved. Luckily they didn't move too far. |
| 2013-06-13 11:44 AM in reply to: lisac957 |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: What do you think about beer as an "after"? Originally posted by lisac957 Originally posted by tlancer23 Originally posted by mehaner You are the one making the assumption that a beer equates to an alcoholic, not me. No need to feel defensive... unless you consider yourself an alcoholic. Originally posted by tlancer23 Originally posted by erik.norgaard Does Jager count? Just kidding. Alcohol still dehydrates the body right? Personally, with the exception of an occasional Bloody Mary with dinner I do not drink at all because of the negative health and lifestyle consequences. I don't see many alcoholics succeeding in life, much less athletics, so yes I agree with Erik, I think it sends a bad message. Alcohol ruins many lives, folks. I think the difference between beer sponsors and Taco Bell is that a Nachos Bell Grande does not carry endless legislation regulating its distribution and consumption, nor the criminal liabilities and negative social sanctions involved in irresponsible product usage. Originally posted by VGT OK, I'm European, we have different view of nudging over here. But: It's not just about you having a beer after a race, there's a difference between having it for you to buy in the bar and sponsoring a sports event. It's about associating sports, exercise, active and healthy lifestyle with alcohol. It sends a signal to the next generation that drinking is part of a healthy lifestyle. It is not. IMHO, breweries should let their alcohol free beers sponsor these events to promote these alternatives. Originally posted by erik.norgaard I must admit that I'm a bit offended when races have breweries sponsoring the event, I think that alcohol shouldn't be linked with sports. Why not? I find that to be a little absurd. We're adults, and we train extremely hard and balance life in the process. To suggest that we cannot also responsibly consume alcohol is a bit short-sighted. uhhhh....there are lots of people that have a beer after a run that aren't alcoholics. what a broad brush we have. Sorry but your quote (bolded) jumped from having one drink to alcoholism. The way I read it, you were the one who made that connection. thanks - i knew i wasn't crazy. |
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