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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Mirg - 2007-11-01 5:11 PM I can already tell this thread has the potential to surpass the other equally ridiculous one. My advice would be to spend as much time as possible working on your bench press. ![]() your right I do need to work on my bench press. I do have a marathon coming up. http://www.flyingpigmarathon.com/race_information/schedule/pumpnrun... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() X 2 the bear - 2007-11-01 2:17 PM Where are you getting your calculations/assumptions from? I have always heard that you burn the same amount of calories per mile whther you're running or walking. Thus walking 5 miles would burn more calories than running 4 miles... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm not sure I have words for the bike thing. Todd, you can't wing it and hope you finish the bike. It's an IRONMAN. Fix your freaking tire, get on your freaking bike, and freaking ride it a lot. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DerekL - 2007-11-01 6:16 PM X 2 the bear - 2007-11-01 2:17 PM Where are you getting your calculations/assumptions from? I have always heard that you burn the same amount of calories per mile whther you're running or walking. Thus walking 5 miles would burn more calories than running 4 miles... I haven't heard this. I always thought you burned more calories running. I would go with secret option #3. Go 5 miles, but run as much of it as possible. For fat loss, intervals are better. Try to do a 2:1 ratio. For instance, run 30 seconds, walk 60 seconds. You should be running hard - a near sprint. This might not be the best way to build an aerobic base but it is good for fat loss. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Here's a chart showing calories burned for various exercises. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Todd, If your goal is weightloss, see a nutritionist, go to WW's, whatever; find something that is going to work for you and stick with it. If you need to be like Lance and count every single calorie that is entering your body, then do it and you'll lose weight. As for training, find a plan for whatever event you are doing next (or hire a coach) and stick with it. Once you've put in your training for the day, and you feel the need to search for new ways to undermine your confidence in your plan, push your chair away from the computer, put on your shoes and go for a long brisk walk. Your confidence and cardiovascular system will benefit. Shane |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't know much, but I do know one thing... You burn more calories walking, running, biking, swimming, weight lifting, or even stretching than you do sitting in front of a computer. Especially if you snack while reading all these posts. Sorry to sound harsh, but I've read all these threads lately from Chi asking all these piddly technical questions and all these athletes that are way better than me just keeping telling the OP to get out there and train more, so that's good enough for me. Now pass me the brownies, The Office is on. ![]() |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() That's calories burned per unit of time. The difference is that walking one mile takes longer than running one mile. The calories burned are nearly identical per distance. MikeTheBear - 2007-11-01 7:25 PM Here's a chart showing calories burned for various exercises. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DerekL - 2007-11-01 7:48 PM That's calories burned per unit of time. The difference is that walking one mile takes longer than running one mile. The calories burned are nearly identical per distance. MikeTheBear - 2007-11-01 7:25 PM Here's a chart showing calories burned for various exercises. That makes sense. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I would run. Running suppresses my appetite, and gives me a thirst for more water. Both of those will aid me in weight loss. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I guess if I run and burn 50% of body fat and I walk and burn 90% in theory 5 mile walking I would burn 40% more body fat that running. That is alot more. That is what got me thinking about this whole thing. More I run the more I will teach my body to burn more fat so that should help elimate some of that problem. I do agree that diet is a huge part and that is why starting friday I am staying away from sugar. yeah I waited but I figure no more gataraid for me for quite awhile. Then again you really do not need it for 5 - 12 miles espcially if your not racing. I spend alot of my BT at work so it does not get in the way mostly. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() You can run a 11 min mile during a race so I would run and not question if you should to walk. |
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Giver ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DerekL - 2007-11-01 8:48 PM That's calories burned per unit of time. The difference is that walking one mile takes longer than running one mile. The calories burned are nearly identical per distance. Running does burn more, but the more effient of a runner you are, the closer the delta is. If you lope and/or take long strides with low turnover, you burn more than if you take shorter strides and turn over more quickly. But the bottom line is that walking is more efficient than running, hence you burn fewer calories walking. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't buy the large discrepancy he quotes between the two. Sure, if you're bouncing up and down excessively you're displacing yourself both vertically and horizontally and expend more energy in the vertical plane, but most folks aren't that bouncy. run4yrlif - 2007-11-02 8:48 AM DerekL - 2007-11-01 8:48 PM That's calories burned per unit of time. The difference is that walking one mile takes longer than running one mile. The calories burned are nearly identical per distance. Running does burn more, but the more effient of a runner you are, the closer the delta is. If you lope and/or take long strides with low turnover, you burn more than if you take shorter strides and turn over more quickly. But the bottom line is that walking is more efficient than running, hence you burn fewer calories walking. |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Scout7 - 2007-11-01 3:51 PM amen! but something tells me next week we'll have another entertaining thread from Chi.It's an online calculator, so it's making some assumptions. Here's my thoughts on what you should do: Go out and train for your race. If weight loss is really key for you right now, then you need to find a nutritionist who can help you with your diet. You're worried about detail stuff, and missing the forest for the trees. I think that by training to run a marathon, swim 2.4 miles, and bike 112 miles, you're gonna lose weight. Get your head in the game, get your bike fixed, and start running. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() For what it's worth... I watched NOVA on public TV the other night about 9 people going from couch to Boston Marathon. The group trainer who had herself done 4 or 5 and was a nutritionist stated that the calories used during a 26.2 mile run is ONLY about twice as much as the average person needs on a normal non-training day. She used this info as an example of why many long distance amateurs do not see the weight loss they expect from marathon training. Dunno if that adds anything to the discussion, but I was shocked at those numbers and assumed one would need ALOT more calories during a marathon that what physiologists are stating. Looks like it's always about diet moreso than hours of training. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I think that does add to the discussion, from the angle of "there are just too many variable to make estimates like that." I suspect an "average person" is 150 lbs. Bigger people burn more cals, smaller burn less. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() BikerGrrrl - 2007-11-02 9:47 AM I think that does add to the discussion, from the angle of "there are just too many variable to make estimates like that." I suspect an "average person" is 150 lbs. Bigger people burn more cals, smaller burn less. Well the calories calculators do put in a person's body weight. Actually I have my map testing file. I know my first marathon according to the map test I did couple years latter was on my long mile 20 run I was burning about 300 calories and fat and like 3,000 cals from muscle gylogan. |
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Resident Curmudgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Big Sexy - 2007-11-02 9:36 AM For what it's worth... I watched NOVA on public TV the other night about 9 people going from couch to Boston Marathon. The group trainer who had herself done 4 or 5 and was a nutritionist stated that the calories used during a 26.2 mile run is ONLY about twice as much as the average person needs on a normal non-training day. She used this info as an example of why many long distance amateurs do not see the weight loss they expect from marathon training. Dunno if that adds anything to the discussion, but I was shocked at those numbers and assumed one would need ALOT more calories during a marathon that what physiologists are stating. Looks like it's always about diet moreso than hours of training. Actually, it's fewer calories (burned in a marathon) than what are needed to burn one pound of body fat. The equation is "calories in minus calories out equals weight gained." Some people benefit by giving each food item (especially junk food) a corresponding workout value. You may be less likely to eat that Snickers bar if you know you will have to run three miles to burn that 280 calories. It's also difficult to lose weight while training because you have to fuel your workouts. If you continuously incur calorie deficits you will increase the risk of bonking, especially as you continuously increase your volumes. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() the bear - 2007-11-02 10:56 AM Big Sexy - 2007-11-02 9:36 AM For what it's worth... I watched NOVA on public TV the other night about 9 people going from couch to Boston Marathon. The group trainer who had herself done 4 or 5 and was a nutritionist stated that the calories used during a 26.2 mile run is ONLY about twice as much as the average person needs on a normal non-training day. She used this info as an example of why many long distance amateurs do not see the weight loss they expect from marathon training. Dunno if that adds anything to the discussion, but I was shocked at those numbers and assumed one would need ALOT more calories during a marathon that what physiologists are stating. Looks like it's always about diet moreso than hours of training. Actually, it's fewer calories (burned in a marathon) than what are needed to burn one pound of body fat. The equation is "calories in minus calories out equals weight gained." Some people benefit by giving each food item (especially junk food) a corresponding workout value. You may be less likely to eat that Snickers bar if you know you will have to run three miles to burn that 280 calories. It's also difficult to lose weight while training because you have to fuel your workouts. If you continuously incur calorie deficits you will increase the risk of bonking, especially as you continuously increase your volumes. I meant to say that... |
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Resident Curmudgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Big Sexy - 2007-11-02 11:26 AM I meant to say that... Oh, what you said was correct and is what was said in the program. I was just embellishing... |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() interesting that about 1/4 people think walking is better and 3/4 says run. Runner is the clear winner here. I guess the moral of the story is get your runs in but walking extras miles is always a good bonus. |
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Member![]() | ![]() BikerGrrrl - 2007-11-02 9:47 AM I think that does add to the discussion, from the angle of "there are just too many variable to make estimates like that." I suspect an "average person" is 150 lbs. Bigger people burn more cals, smaller burn less. Bigger people do burn more calories, but the scale is more or less linear. So the ratio will be about the same. Running is still better than walking, though (program and injuries allowing). Walking will not develop running conditioning nearly as well as... well, running. Chirunner, I'm new here and don't know you that well, but right now you need to listen to these people and run. Self-coached athletes love to overcomplicate their training with equipment and techniques that are beyond their level of experience. It's not just triathletes, I come from bodybuilding and rugby and saw it there too. Y'know what? The best gains in fitness I've ever seen came from a year of rugby practices that went something like this: COACH: Alright, shut up and run until I tell you to stop. (2 hours of suicides, hill sprints, sled drags, and Indian runs follow) COACH: Stretch. Go eat. Don't drink until after the game. I've got a book called Practical Programming for Strength Training by Mark Rippetoe (one of the most respected strength coaches in the US). He's got a graph in there that plots "trainee's experience" vs. "need for training complexity." The graph is nearly flat for two years -- and this is for someone who is already an experienced athlete (Rippetoe mainly works with high school football players). Granted, that's strength training and not endurance, but I'll wager the same thing applies. The upshot is this: You, as a beginning runner with weight to lose, have a huge advantage over a top AGer/elite. All you have to do to get better at S/B/R is S/B/R and eat right! You don't need to worry about speedwork, mmol of lactate, VO2Max, or any of that stuff. Just find a good program and follow it. |
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