Mad Manatee Mentors CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) (Page 22)

I saw that Spanky requested to join the Super Secret Order of the Manatee on Strava.  Then I noticed our, umm, saying.  "Fachmie, it's Whopper time!"  Perhaps we should explain?

Chris B, don't we have a document about that?

Yanti, since you aren't sleeping anyway, would you care to tackle that one?

I saw that Spanky requested to join the Super Secret Order of the Manatee on Strava.  Then I noticed our, umm, saying.  "Fachmie, it's Whopper time!"  Perhaps we should explain?

Chris B, don't we have a document about that?

Yanti, since you aren't sleeping anyway, would you care to tackle that one?

I saw that Spanky requested to join the Super Secret Order of the Manatee on Strava.  Then I noticed our, umm, saying.  "Fachmie, it's Whopper time!"  Perhaps we should explain?

Chris B, don't we have a document about that?

Yanti, since you aren't sleeping anyway, would you care to tackle that one?

Originally posted by Techdiver

Originally posted by jmkizer

I saw that Spanky requested to join the Super Secret Order of the Manatee on Strava.  Then I noticed our, umm, saying.  "Fachmie, it's Whopper time!"  Perhaps we should explain?

Chris B, don't we have a document about that?

Yanti, since you aren't sleeping anyway, would you care to tackle that one?

ruh roh what have I gotten myself into? I hope it has nothing to do with eating whoppers. That is like the ex-lax of the fast food industry. I was just reading all this jack daniels running thing. And here I had hoped it was "Complete a run, do a shot of burbon." But I guess I am wrong on that.

Beer Mile

Milk Mile

Bourbon Mile

Why not?

I saw that Spanky requested to join the Super Secret Order of the Manatee on Strava.  Then I noticed our, umm, saying.  "Fachmie, it's Whopper time!"  Perhaps we should explain?

Chris B, don't we have a document about that?

Yanti, since you aren't sleeping anyway, would you care to tackle that one?

Originally posted by Techdiver

Originally posted by jmkizer

I saw that Spanky requested to join the Super Secret Order of the Manatee on Strava.  Then I noticed our, umm, saying.  "Fachmie, it's Whopper time!"  Perhaps we should explain?

Chris B, don't we have a document about that?

Yanti, since you aren't sleeping anyway, would you care to tackle that one?

ruh roh what have I gotten myself into? I hope it has nothing to do with eating whoppers. That is like the ex-lax of the fast food industry. I was just reading all this jack daniels running thing. And here I had hoped it was "Complete a run, do a shot of burbon." But I guess I am wrong on that.

Beer Mile

Milk Mile

Bourbon Mile

Why not?

Any thoughts on following a swimming training plan vs. swimming with a masters group?  My masters group meets for 1.5 hour sessions.  I usually do a couple a week.

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by Techdiver

Originally posted by jmkizer

I saw that Spanky requested to join the Super Secret Order of the Manatee on Strava.  Then I noticed our, umm, saying.  "Fachmie, it's Whopper time!"  Perhaps we should explain?

Chris B, don't we have a document about that?

Yanti, since you aren't sleeping anyway, would you care to tackle that one?

ruh roh what have I gotten myself into? I hope it has nothing to do with eating whoppers. That is like the ex-lax of the fast food industry. I was just reading all this jack daniels running thing. And here I had hoped it was "Complete a run, do a shot of burbon." But I guess I am wrong on that.

Beer Mile

Milk Mile

Bourbon Mile

Why not?

We have an eggnog challenge race here.  Chug some eggnog, run, chug some more.  Not sure if it's alcoholic or not but either way, definitely a challenge.  Darren, you wouldn't know what I'm talking about.

What?!?!!?!? WHEN?!?!?!?!?!?! How did "we" miss that one?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Are you able to hit the paces for your quality workouts? How about races?

Wish I knew, as I'm thinking about trying a masters group but never have.  I'd **imagine** that it depends both on what motivates you (can you hit workout targets on your own, or do you do better with the competition/encouragement of others in the pool with you) and the types of workouts that masters group does.

If their workouts are close to what you need, I could see it being very helpful (swimming with swimmers, running with runners, riding with cyclists - all tend to up one's game).  However, if you have a few things that you need to work on (and know what they are and how to do that - or have a coach, etc.), then it's time not spent on those things.

All in, I'm going to give it a go and see what happens, I think.  For me, I've found that I need to get some long intervals in weekly (I know that this goes against the received wisdom for how to swim, but it has helped me racing), so I'll probably mix some masters with some longer, solo OWS.

How was that for not particularly helpful?!? 

Would love to hear others' thoughts.

Matt

I do like swimming with other people.  Triathlon can be such a solo sport.  A year ago when I was very consistent with the group, I was moving up the lanes with the group, and we have some very fast swimmer swimmers.  I made the mistake of not swimming with the group this summer and didn't end up swimming at all. That was quite detrimental to my swim fitness, as you would imagine.

I think what you're saying makes sense.  I know I would like to toss in some 1000y or 1500y sets on a Sunday to make sure that I'm doing the long interval stuff.  Though I will say that in the summer our group does 30 min sets in a 50m pool.  Those are awesome.

Swimming with the group is good, I just always question my need to do other strokes.  I know it helps all around fitness, but I have NO desire to swim fly at all. Whatsoever.  But I do go further and faster than if I were by myself.

Maybe I just miss being in the gym pool and being the fastest person there.  Swimming with swimmers is humbling.

Of course I can't find it now.  I think it was on a day I couldn't do it or had another race or something.  While looking for it, I did find this:

http://www.utahrunning.com/index.php/events/race/ref/Eggnog-Mile

Of course I can't find it now.  I think it was on a day I couldn't do it or had another race or something.  While looking for it, I did find this:

http://www.utahrunning.com/index.php/events/race/ref/Eggnog-Mile

Looks like a good 2015 Manatee Meetup!

I do like swimming with other people.  Triathlon can be such a solo sport.  A year ago when I was very consistent with the group, I was moving up the lanes with the group, and we have some very fast swimmer swimmers.  I made the mistake of not swimming with the group this summer and didn't end up swimming at all. That was quite detrimental to my swim fitness, as you would imagine.

I think what you're saying makes sense.  I know I would like to toss in some 1000y or 1500y sets on a Sunday to make sure that I'm doing the long interval stuff.  Though I will say that in the summer our group does 30 min sets in a 50m pool.  Those are awesome.

Swimming with the group is good, I just always question my need to do other strokes.  I know it helps all around fitness, but I have NO desire to swim fly at all. Whatsoever.  But I do go further and faster than if I were by myself.

Maybe I just miss being in the gym pool and being the fastest person there.  Swimming with swimmers is humbling.

I do like swimming with other people.  Triathlon can be such a solo sport.  A year ago when I was very consistent with the group, I was moving up the lanes with the group, and we have some very fast swimmer swimmers.  I made the mistake of not swimming with the group this summer and didn't end up swimming at all. That was quite detrimental to my swim fitness, as you would imagine.

I think what you're saying makes sense.  I know I would like to toss in some 1000y or 1500y sets on a Sunday to make sure that I'm doing the long interval stuff.  Though I will say that in the summer our group does 30 min sets in a 50m pool.  Those are awesome.

Swimming with the group is good, I just always question my need to do other strokes.  I know it helps all around fitness, but I have NO desire to swim fly at all. Whatsoever.  But I do go further and faster than if I were by myself.

Maybe I just miss being in the gym pool and being the fastest person there.  Swimming with swimmers is humbling.

I was going to ask about what the swimmers and coaching are like in that particular group.

I think you answered your own question

You would be hard pressed to find a good coach who DOESN'T think medley (strokes) is good for open water swimmers. Fly sucks. I hear you. Even flyers think fly sucks. But you will build more swim-specific strength that relates directly to freestyle even doing a really crappy fly than you will endless laps of free.

This post goes into more detail:

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=474259&page=1

Just IMO--long interval stuff every week isn't necessary. Maybe every month. And with as many Olys as you plan to race

And if I haven't already flogged this horse enough (and been flogged, come to think of it), Sheila's new book:

http://www.velopress.com/books/swim-speed-strokes-for-swimmers-and-triathletes/

The underwater arm position and how it propels you is essentially the same in all four competitive strokes.