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JHagerman - 2009-12-17 11:07 PM I was skimming the surface of the last email with our thread posts and while I didn't catch who it was... you're not alone getting the V-Cut this month.  Dec 28 and I'm getting it done too.  I'll only have to take off 1 day of work and I'll be off for 9 days.  That should be more than enough time, but really.... how do your prepare for a kick in the nuts?

Just ask you buddies at work. I'm sure someone would be willing to help you train for that one.  Volunteers to Kick JH in the family jewels?  It's really not that bad at all. Just be prepared with lotsof cold ice packs or frozen peas.



Hey Rob...Did you eat those peas?  LOL


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JHagerman - 2009-12-17 11:07 PM
but really.... how do your prepare for a kick in the nuts?


It's not bad.  Most of the horror stories...keep digging.  You'll eventually get to the part where they got bored and decided to go ride four-wheelers, or mow the yard, or go golfing, etc.
Do NOTHING for 48 hours.  Ice those dudes down and you'll be fine.

My wife even got me a cake and my favorite snack...

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BigReub - 2009-12-17 10:52 PM
tahrens - 2009-12-16 12:35 PM  Sad that a long island ice tea and a shot of tequila is enough to make me dance on the tables.  I'm such a cheap drunk. 


Tracy, when's your next party?  I'll need some time to get my plane tickets.



August 29, 2010 Penticton  Canada!!!!!!   Come on up. Should be a great party.
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HeY Reub:

When you cut that cake, did you cut off that dangling "Y" part first? Wink
2009-12-18 8:56 AM
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JHagerman - 2009-12-17 11:07 PM ...how do your prepare for a kick in the nuts?


I prepared for it by having the doc tie my wifes tubes during her last c-section!  I was fortunate enough to not need any frozen peas!
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JHagerman - 2009-12-17 11:07 PM ...how do your prepare for a kick in the nuts?


I prepared for it by having the doc tie my wifes tubes during her last c-section!  I was fortunate enough to not need any frozen peas!


Uhm, did your wife have any say in the decision?


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JHagerman - 2009-12-17 11:07 PM ...how do your prepare for a kick in the nuts?


I prepared for it by having the doc tie my wifes tubes during her last c-section!  I was fortunate enough to not need any frozen peas!


LOL!!!  AMEN TO THAT. 

and i still got a cake.   suckers.


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Tobey91 - 2009-12-17 2:45 PM

So I have a new topic on which I would appreciate the group's thoughts:

I think one of my biggest problems (apart, of course, from he fact that I cannot swim, bike or run well) is turning the corner from my body consuming its glycogen stores to consuming fat on a very long run.  I can't seem to get over that.  I usually have trouble past a half marathon distance, and at that point start dropping to oscilating between walking and running. But once I do, the running is exceptionally difficult.

I think a big piece of it is psychological rather than psyiological.  I do not want to use this as a general therapy session (goodness knows that my therapy bills already rival the GNP of several small nations), but has anyone else had this issue?  Any advice to get me over that hurdle would be welcome.

Thanks.

-William



William, when you say, after 13 miles, "start dropping to oscillating betw walk and run" is it because you start to fatigue?  Are you taking in any calories on the prior miles, and water?  Do you eat before a long run?

I ask, because I had been notorious for not really eating before long runs, haphazard gu at the six mile point, etc.  Once I started making it a point to eat at least 90 min before a long run (for me two pieces of peanut butter toast and banana) and drink some water with that.  Gu or half banana 15 min before run with a gulp of water.  On the run itself, water every 15 minutes ( just a gulp or so) and Gu at 45 or 60 min then half gu every 30 minutes after that.  Less fatigue, keeps glycogen levels up and less likely to bonk.  Try it!  No charge for the "therapy" 


Kim, thanks for this!  I have similar issues when doing long runs.  I know my problem has been nutrition (or lack thereofSmile), but wasn't really sure how to fix it.  This will give me a starting point!
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Quick question - I am considering doing a tri in May, if I can get away with it - it happens to be on the same day as my daughter's 16th birthdaySmile. At least it's local (about an hour away) and only a sprint so I won't be gone all day.  It's a lake swim - 500m - and would be my first OWS tri.  My swim has improved a lot over the last year and I still have about 5 months to work on it even more.  All of my swimming is in a pool though.  Not many lakes around here and the ones we do have either don't allow swimming or are private lakes.  I am going to try to find some way to get in at least one or two OWS's before then, but it may not be possible.  I know it's not ideal to do your first OWS during a tri, but if I stay towards the back and just take my time, I should be able to do it, right?  There's another tri that I want to do in July which has a 1000m OWS (man-made lake), so I was hoping to use the one in May as kind of a "getting my feet wet" situation concerning the OWS.  What do you guys think?

Janet 

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JHagerman - 2009-12-17 11:07 PM ...how do your prepare for a kick in the nuts?


I prepared for it by having the doc tie my wifes tubes during her last c-section!  I was fortunate enough to not need any frozen peas!


Uhm, did your wife have any say in the decision?


Fortunately for me, she graciously agreed to have that done since she was already having the c-section.  In fact, it was her idea!
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soccermom15 - 2009-12-18 11:08 AM

Quick question - I am considering doing a tri in May, if I can get away with it - it happens to be on the same day as my daughter's 16th birthdaySmile. At least it's local (about an hour away) and only a sprint so I won't be gone all day.  It's a lake swim - 500m - and would be my first OWS tri.  My swim has improved a lot over the last year and I still have about 5 months to work on it even more.  All of my swimming is in a pool though.  Not many lakes around here and the ones we do have either don't allow swimming or are private lakes.  I am going to try to find some way to get in at least one or two OWS's before then, but it may not be possible.  I know it's not ideal to do your first OWS during a tri, but if I stay towards the back and just take my time, I should be able to do it, right?  There's another tri that I want to do in July which has a 1000m OWS (man-made lake), so I was hoping to use the one in May as kind of a "getting my feet wet" situation concerning the OWS.  What do you guys think?

Janet 



Ideally, you should get in an OWS before the race but if you are comfortable in the water now, you'll be fine without it.  My first OWS I started to the outside of the group and just went at an easy consistent pace to avoid all the close encounters.  If you are wearing a wetsuit for the race for the first time, you should at least get in the pool with the wetsuit for a short swim (very short because you could get overheated in the pool) to get a feel for swimming with the suit on.
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soccermom15 - 2009-12-18 10:08 AM

Quick question - I am considering doing a tri in May, if I can get away with it - it happens to be on the same day as my daughter's 16th birthdaySmile. At least it's local (about an hour away) and only a sprint so I won't be gone all day.  It's a lake swim - 500m - and would be my first OWS tri.  My swim has improved a lot over the last year and I still have about 5 months to work on it even more.  All of my swimming is in a pool though.  Not many lakes around here and the ones we do have either don't allow swimming or are private lakes.  I am going to try to find some way to get in at least one or two OWS's before then, but it may not be possible.  I know it's not ideal to do your first OWS during a tri, but if I stay towards the back and just take my time, I should be able to do it, right?  There's another tri that I want to do in July which has a 1000m OWS (man-made lake), so I was hoping to use the one in May as kind of a "getting my feet wet" situation concerning the OWS.  What do you guys think?

Janet 



Not "should be able to", You will do it .  Its a great plan.  You might be able to get on the course the day before to.  Does the St. Louis Tri Club have any places they know of where you can pratice. 




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DougRob - 2009-12-18 8:49 AM HeY Reub:

When you cut that cake, did you cut off that dangling "Y" part first? Wink

Nice one!

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soccermom15 - 2009-12-18 11:08 AM

Quick question - I am considering doing a tri in May, if I can get away with it - it happens to be on the same day as my daughter's 16th birthdaySmile. At least it's local (about an hour away) and only a sprint so I won't be gone all day.  It's a lake swim - 500m - and would be my first OWS tri.  My swim has improved a lot over the last year and I still have about 5 months to work on it even more.  All of my swimming is in a pool though.  Not many lakes around here and the ones we do have either don't allow swimming or are private lakes.  I am going to try to find some way to get in at least one or two OWS's before then, but it may not be possible.  I know it's not ideal to do your first OWS during a tri, but if I stay towards the back and just take my time, I should be able to do it, right?  There's another tri that I want to do in July which has a 1000m OWS (man-made lake), so I was hoping to use the one in May as kind of a "getting my feet wet" situation concerning the OWS.  What do you guys think?

Janet 



My very first OWS experience was during a race.  The Seaweed Monster experience.  Just don't be freaked out by clowdy water and stay away from people.  Who knows, maybe your inner beast will awaken and you'll be the one throwing elbows right and left. Go get em tiger!!!!!
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soccermom15 - 2009-12-18 11:08 AM

Quick question - I am considering doing a tri in May, if I can get away with it - it happens to be on the same day as my daughter's 16th birthdaySmile. At least it's local (about an hour away) and only a sprint so I won't be gone all day.  It's a lake swim - 500m - and would be my first OWS tri.  My swim has improved a lot over the last year and I still have about 5 months to work on it even more.  All of my swimming is in a pool though.  Not many lakes around here and the ones we do have either don't allow swimming or are private lakes.  I am going to try to find some way to get in at least one or two OWS's before then, but it may not be possible.  I know it's not ideal to do your first OWS during a tri, but if I stay towards the back and just take my time, I should be able to do it, right?  There's another tri that I want to do in July which has a 1000m OWS (man-made lake), so I was hoping to use the one in May as kind of a "getting my feet wet" situation concerning the OWS.  What do you guys think?

Janet 



My very first OWS experience was during a race.  The Seaweed Monster experience.  Just don't be freaked out by clowdy water and stay away from people.  Who knows, maybe your inner beast will awaken and you'll be the one throwing elbows right and left. Go get em tiger!!!!!

Likewise  - just start on the outside and swim your own race.  I am sure that you can find a OWS practice or two with a local tri group...

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Swim training question:

I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim.  I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week.  I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff.  Does that make sense?  Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week?  Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)?



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soccermom15 - 2009-12-18 10:08 AM

Quick question - I am considering doing a tri in May, if I can get away with it - it happens to be on the same day as my daughter's 16th birthdaySmile . At least it's local (about an hour away) and only a sprint so I won't be gone all day.  It's a lake swim - 500m - and would be my first OWS tri.  My swim has improved a lot over the last year and I still have about 5 months to work on it even more.  All of my swimming is in a pool though.  Not many lakes around here and the ones we do have either don't allow swimming or are private lakes.  I am going to try to find some way to get in at least one or two OWS's before then, but it may not be possible.  I know it's not ideal to do your first OWS during a tri, but if I stay towards the back and just take my time, I should be able to do it, right?   There's another tri that I want to do in July which has a 1000m OWS (man-made lake), so I was hoping to use the one in May as kind of a "getting my feet wet" situation concerning the OWS.  What do you guys think?

Janet 



Not "should be able to", You will do it .  Its a great plan.  You might be able to get on the course the day before to.  Does the St. Louis Tri Club have any places they know of where you can pratice. 

You could also contact the RD and find out if they are planning any practice swims on the course.

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ashort33 - 2009-12-18 10:43 AM

Swim training question:

I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim.  I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week.  I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff.  Does that make sense?  Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week?  Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)?



holy cow man 4 days a week.  you're gonna have gills at galveston.   seems to me you can get more for less though.  whats that 1200- 2000 easy for.  i'd scratch that and every once in a while go get an ows in instead.  use that to practice siting.  and that 5 x 400.  what pace?  those 4 x 300's at or above sprint pace did amazing things for me.  hardest frekin' w/o..  and that third set will really push you mentally.

not that i know what the heck i'm talking about of course.   linda where are you!!!!




nice flat on the trainer btw ;-)

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soccermom15 - 2009-12-18 8:08 AM

Quick question - I am considering doing a tri in May, if I can get away with it - it happens to be on the same day as my daughter's 16th birthdaySmile. At least it's local (about an hour away) and only a sprint so I won't be gone all day.  It's a lake swim - 500m - and would be my first OWS tri.  My swim has improved a lot over the last year and I still have about 5 months to work on it even more.  All of my swimming is in a pool though.  Not many lakes around here and the ones we do have either don't allow swimming or are private lakes.  I am going to try to find some way to get in at least one or two OWS's before then, but it may not be possible.  I know it's not ideal to do your first OWS during a tri, but if I stay towards the back and just take my time, I should be able to do it, right?  There's another tri that I want to do in July which has a 1000m OWS (man-made lake), so I was hoping to use the one in May as kind of a "getting my feet wet" situation concerning the OWS.  What do you guys think?

Janet 



Well Janet- to be hone you have to start somewhere.  You need to eventually have your 1st OWS.  I would maybe try to practice once or twice before the race, but if you can't you can't.  GO FOR IT!


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Hey, I am no expert on the swim but doing an OWS before you compete in one will help prevent any anxiety in the open water.  After starting tris, I now love working on OWS in the Atlantic!  My husband follows me in his kayak while I swim.  I would not want to attempt it alone.  He lets me know when the waves are pushing me in too far or if I am near a fising line ect.

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ashort33 - 2009-12-18 11:43 AM

Swim training question:

I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim.  I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week.  I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff.  Does that make sense?  Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week?  Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)?



I have used and wholeheartedly recommend swimplan.com.  It is free (I like free ) and you plug in some basic info and it will spit you  out a plan for the day.  As your fitness changes you can update the info and the plans will change accordingly.

Steve

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Swim training question:

I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim.  I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week.  I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff.  Does that make sense?  Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week?  Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)?



holy cow man 4 days a week.  you're gonna have gills at galveston.   seems to me you can get more for less though.  whats that 1200- 2000 easy for.  i'd scratch that and every once in a while go get an ows in instead.  use that to practice siting.  and that 5 x 400.  what pace?  those 4 x 300's at or above sprint pace did amazing things for me.  hardest frekin' w/o..  and that third set will really push you mentally.

not that i know what the heck i'm talking about of course.   linda where are you!!!!




nice flat on the trainer btw ;-)

Yeah the flat on the trainer was a major PITA...  I didn't have a spare tube or anything...  I got an extra now though...

The distance is just that - a distance swim.  At the end of the day, I still have to swim 2000yd straight at Lonestar and I want to be mentally ready to spend that much time in the water...  I like the 4x300 idea...  may try that today at lunch..

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Swim training question:

I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim.  I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week.  I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff.  Does that make sense?  Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week?  Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)?



I have used and wholeheartedly recommend swimplan.com.  It is free (I like free ) and you plug in some basic info and it will spit you  out a plan for the day.  As your fitness changes you can update the info and the plans will change accordingly.

Steve

I like free too... on my way to check it out now!

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With 23 new members and 90% of the 09 mg returning, we should have a lot more teams for our virtual sprint triathlon this year.

 For the new members, we broke in to 4 teams last year and each swam a given numner of yards, ran 5K and biked 12 miles. We then averaged the results for each team to determine the winner. Treadmill runs and trainer rides did NOT count. Pool swims were ok.

Team number 1 won it all, although the 5K run killed me and went downhill from there for the season. But with marathon training well underway maybe I can post a reasonable number without killing myself for the following weeks.

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ashort33 - 2009-12-18 10:43 AM

Swim training question:

I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim.  I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week.  I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff.  Does that make sense?  Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week?  Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)?



holy cow man 4 days a week.  you're gonna have gills at galveston.   seems to me you can get more for less though.  whats that 1200- 2000 easy for.  i'd scratch that and every once in a while go get an ows in instead.  use that to practice siting.  and that 5 x 400.  what pace?  those 4 x 300's at or above sprint pace did amazing things for me.  hardest frekin' w/o..  and that third set will really push you mentally.

not that i know what the heck i'm talking about of course.   linda where are you!!!!




nice flat on the trainer btw ;-)

Yeah the flat on the trainer was a major PITA...  I didn't have a spare tube or anything...  I got an extra now though...

The distance is just that - a distance swim.  At the end of the day, I still have to swim 2000yd straight at Lonestar and I want to be mentally ready to spend that much time in the water...  I like the 4x300 idea...  may try that today at lunch..



Agree with you on the distance swim for mental confidence.  When I was getting ready for Augusta the biggest hurdle I dealt with was the swimming distance.  Since my background is in running and I was self-coached I applied the principles of the LSD run on the weekend to my swim and I would take my Saturday swim and keep increasing the distance until I was doing about 120% of the race distance.  Once I got there I was confident the race would be doable.

As it turned out the swim was by FAR the best part of my race....for numerous reasons, but when I got into the river to start I was mentally confident I was going to succeed.
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