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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ashort33 - 2009-12-18 10:43 AM Swim training question: I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim. I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week. I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff. Does that make sense? Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week? Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)? If Lone Star is your first A race of the year then I would not worry about doing any speedwork at this point. If your TNT group is focusing on drills I would do those same drills in your other workouts for the next few weeks. Work on your body roll, head postion, etc. You will see greater/quicker improvement by working on your stroke than you would by doing 5x400 with an in-efficient stroke. If you want to do some longer swims you can...just mix the drills into the longer swim( maybe a 400 doing a 100 of your four fav drills.)As your stroke begins to improve you can then start to add some longer swims(w/o drills) and intervals (10x50s/10x100s). When you add the intervals I would start with longer rest b/w repeats (so you can maintain your stroke) then steadly decrease the rest over a few weeks, as long as you can maintain your stroke. Long story short...focus on your stroke to become more effecient...which will lead to becoming faster. Robert |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ashort33 - 2009-12-18 11:22 AM fattyfatfat - 2009-12-18 11:01 AM ashort33 - 2009-12-18 10:43 AM Swim training question: I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim. I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week. I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff. Does that make sense? Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week? Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)? holy cow man 4 days a week. you're gonna have gills at galveston. seems to me you can get more for less though. whats that 1200- 2000 easy for. i'd scratch that and every once in a while go get an ows in instead. use that to practice siting. and that 5 x 400. what pace? those 4 x 300's at or above sprint pace did amazing things for me. hardest frekin' w/o.. and that third set will really push you mentally. not that i know what the heck i'm talking about of course. linda where are you!!!! nice flat on the trainer btw ;-) Yeah the flat on the trainer was a major PITA... I didn't have a spare tube or anything... I got an extra now though... The distance is just that - a distance swim. At the end of the day, I still have to swim 2000yd straight at Lonestar and I want to be mentally ready to spend that much time in the water... I like the 4x300 idea... may try that today at lunch.. i totally here ya. mental game. which is why put that ows comment up there. 2112 in the pool is not the same as 2112 in the open water. sorry. but its not. thats cool that you get to work with group. just don't get faster than me. i have to get of the water and on the bike before you else i'm dead. Edited by fattyfatfat 2009-12-18 12:21 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tri-chic - 2009-12-17 9:37 PM Question for you. It has been such a long time since I've really "trained" and I'm really in pathetic shape at the moment. How long should I wait before doing VO2 testing? And then once I do it how long should I wait to do it again? check w/ sam. she did it. maybe suzy too. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Plainsman AU - 2009-12-18 9:34 AM Redknight - 2009-12-18 7:08 AM JHagerman - 2009-12-17 11:07 PM I was skimming the surface of the last email with our thread posts and while I didn't catch who it was... you're not alone getting the V-Cut this month. Dec 28 and I'm getting it done too. I'll only have to take off 1 day of work and I'll be off for 9 days. That should be more than enough time, but really.... how do your prepare for a kick in the nuts? Just ask you buddies at work. I'm sure someone would be willing to help you train for that one. Volunteers to Kick JH in the family jewels? It's really not that bad at all. Just be prepared with lotsof cold ice packs or frozen peas. Hey Rob...Did you eat those peas? LOL Well I didn't have peas the next time they were served at our house |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() soccermom15 - 2009-12-18 11:08 AM Quick question - I am considering doing a tri in May, if I can get away with it - it happens to be on the same day as my daughter's 16th birthday You shouldn't have any trouble with training in a pool and then doing your oWS. That's how I did all my training the first year and I had no issues at all. As you said stay a little back or off to the side andy ou'll do great. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() fattyfatfat - 2009-12-18 12:15 PM ashort33 - 2009-12-18 11:22 AM fattyfatfat - 2009-12-18 11:01 AM ashort33 - 2009-12-18 10:43 AM Swim training question: I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim. I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week. I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff. Does that make sense? Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week? Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)? holy cow man 4 days a week. you're gonna have gills at galveston. seems to me you can get more for less though. whats that 1200- 2000 easy for. i'd scratch that and every once in a while go get an ows in instead. use that to practice siting. and that 5 x 400. what pace? those 4 x 300's at or above sprint pace did amazing things for me. hardest frekin' w/o.. and that third set will really push you mentally. not that i know what the heck i'm talking about of course. linda where are you!!!! nice flat on the trainer btw ;-) Yeah the flat on the trainer was a major PITA... I didn't have a spare tube or anything... I got an extra now though... The distance is just that - a distance swim. At the end of the day, I still have to swim 2000yd straight at Lonestar and I want to be mentally ready to spend that much time in the water... I like the 4x300 idea... may try that today at lunch.. i totally here ya. mental game. which is why put that ows comment up there. 2112 in the pool is not the same as 2112 in the open water. sorry. but its not. thats cool that you get to work with group. just don't get faster than me. i have to get of the water and on the bike before you else i'm dead. I don't think so - did you forget about pulling me all around SE texas on that century ride? You did everything except tie a rope to my bicycle! ETA: I will be doing several OWS between now and then - the water's just a little chilly right now... You would have to be Canadian for OWS... Edited by ashort33 2009-12-18 12:34 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ashort33 - 2009-12-18 11:43 AM Swim training question: I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim. I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week. I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff. Does that make sense? Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week? Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)? You can work on your sighting etc wjile doing your long swim. There really isn't much else to do. You can alos work on your form at the same time. I like the idea of the speed work too. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() fattyfatfat - 2009-12-18 10:01 AM 4 days seems like alot....Get in another run instead. ashort33 - 2009-12-18 10:43 AM Swim training question: I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim. I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week. I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff. Does that make sense? Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week? Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)? holy cow man 4 days a week. you're gonna have gills at galveston. seems to me you can get more for less though. whats that 1200- 2000 easy for. i'd scratch that and every once in a while go get an ows in instead. use that to practice siting. and that 5 x 400. what pace? those 4 x 300's at or above sprint pace did amazing things for me. hardest frekin' w/o.. and that third set will really push you mentally. not that i know what the heck i'm talking about of course. linda where are you!!!! nice flat on the trainer btw ;-) ![]() |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() i totally here ya. mental game. which is why put that ows comment up there. 2112 in the pool is not the same as 2112 in the open water. sorry. but its not. thats cool that you get to work with group. just don't get faster than me. i have to get of the water and on the bike before you else i'm dead. I don't think so - did you forget about pulling me all around SE texas on that century ride? You did everything except tie a rope to my bicycle! ETA: I will be doing several OWS between now and then - the water's just a little chilly right now... You would have to be Canadian for OWS... Stop it....I'm already freakin about jumping in that open water on the friday??( i think it is for the practice swim)....It'll be about 7 months between OWS swim's for me. And I doubt I'll have another outdoor ride before then as well. yes I'll be fine. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TrevorC - 2009-12-18 12:39 PM fattyfatfat - 2009-12-18 10:01 AM 4 days seems like alot....Get in another run instead. ashort33 - 2009-12-18 10:43 AM Swim training question: I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim. I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week. I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff. Does that make sense? Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week? Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)? holy cow man 4 days a week. you're gonna have gills at galveston. seems to me you can get more for less though. whats that 1200- 2000 easy for. i'd scratch that and every once in a while go get an ows in instead. use that to practice siting. and that 5 x 400. what pace? those 4 x 300's at or above sprint pace did amazing things for me. hardest frekin' w/o.. and that third set will really push you mentally. not that i know what the heck i'm talking about of course. linda where are you!!!! nice flat on the trainer btw ;-) ![]() I can usually get in a swim at lunch time at least two, maybe three days a week - running is tougher to do because I can't get cooled down in time to not sweat all over my dress clothes... ETA - besides, I have grown to like swimming - my body doesn't hurt when I am done like when I run... Edited by ashort33 2009-12-18 12:56 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriFrog93 - 2009-12-18 11:44 AM ashort33 - 2009-12-18 10:43 AM Swim training question: I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim. I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week. I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff. Does that make sense? Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week? Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)? If Lone Star is your first A race of the year then I would not worry about doing any speedwork at this point. If your TNT group is focusing on drills I would do those same drills in your other workouts for the next few weeks. Work on your body roll, head postion, etc. You will see greater/quicker improvement by working on your stroke than you would by doing 5x400 with an in-efficient stroke. If you want to do some longer swims you can...just mix the drills into the longer swim( maybe a 400 doing a 100 of your four fav drills.)As your stroke begins to improve you can then start to add some longer swims(w/o drills) and intervals (10x50s/10x100s). When you add the intervals I would start with longer rest b/w repeats (so you can maintain your stroke) then steadly decrease the rest over a few weeks, as long as you can maintain your stroke. Long story short...focus on your stroke to become more effecient...which will lead to becoming faster. Robert how far from each other are you guys? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriFrog93 - 2009-12-18 11:44 AM ashort33 - 2009-12-18 10:43 AM Swim training question: I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim. I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week. I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff. Does that make sense? Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week? Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)? If Lone Star is your first A race of the year then I would not worry about doing any speedwork at this point. If your TNT group is focusing on drills I would do those same drills in your other workouts for the next few weeks. Work on your body roll, head postion, etc. You will see greater/quicker improvement by working on your stroke than you would by doing 5x400 with an in-efficient stroke. If you want to do some longer swims you can...just mix the drills into the longer swim( maybe a 400 doing a 100 of your four fav drills.)As your stroke begins to improve you can then start to add some longer swims(w/o drills) and intervals (10x50s/10x100s). When you add the intervals I would start with longer rest b/w repeats (so you can maintain your stroke) then steadly decrease the rest over a few weeks, as long as you can maintain your stroke. Long story short...focus on your stroke to become more effecient...which will lead to becoming faster. Robert Actually I think it will be my second A race of the year - first should be in Hawaii at Lavaman... (if I can raise enough funds for TNT). Did you used to swim competitively? I saw one of your goals was to be first out of the water - you got to be a great swimmer to do that... |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks for the advice guys! I'm going to try my best to do a couple of OWS's before the tri (assuming I get the OK to do it in the first place ![]() |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() When will we have the virtual sprint tri? DougRob - 2009-12-18 12:27 PM With 23 new members and 90% of the 09 mg returning, we should have a lot more teams for our virtual sprint triathlon this year. For the new members, we broke in to 4 teams last year and each swam a given numner of yards, ran 5K and biked 12 miles. We then averaged the results for each team to determine the winner. Treadmill runs and trainer rides did NOT count. Pool swims were ok. Team number 1 won it all, although the 5K run killed me and went downhill from there for the season. But with marathon training well underway maybe I can post a reasonable number without killing myself for the following weeks. Doug |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() losta - 2009-12-18 3:30 PM When will we have the virtual sprint tri? DougRob - 2009-12-18 12:27 PM With 23 new members and 90% of the 09 mg returning, we should have a lot more teams for our virtual sprint triathlon this year. For the new members, we broke in to 4 teams last year and each swam a given numner of yards, ran 5K and biked 12 miles. We then averaged the results for each team to determine the winner. Treadmill runs and trainer rides did NOT count. Pool swims were ok. Team number 1 won it all, although the 5K run killed me and went downhill from there for the season. But with marathon training well underway maybe I can post a reasonable number without killing myself for the following weeks. Doug Yes. When will this take place? Looking forward to it ... I remain really impressed by the exchanges -- both in terms of support and in terms of sheer volume -- among this group. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Reno8 - 2009-12-18 11:16 AM Second the suggestion for swimplan.com. It is useful in setting up different swim training sessions so you don't get too bored. It also allows you to enter any swim training aids you have (pull buoy, fins, paddles,etc.) and generates training plans with those items as well. ashort33 - 2009-12-18 11:43 AM Swim training question: I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim. I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week. I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff. Does that make sense? Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week? Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)? I have used and wholeheartedly recommend swimplan.com. It is free (I like free ![]() Steve |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have a training question in anticipation of the upcoming holidays. I am using the 20 week Winter Maintenance plan for sprint tri's from this site and just finished the third full week. I have stuck to the plan pretty closely except missed a core workout here and there. I will be away for about 5 days between Christmas and New Years with no access to a gym, pool, or bike. What should I do before or during the hiatus to maintain momentum/conditioning so not to lose what I have gained so far? I probably will find a way to run while away but I am not sure how to go about setting up running plans to substitute for the scheduled training. Thanks for any suggestions/advice. This group has been a wonderful source of information in a very short time. Glen |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gdctex - 2009-12-18 3:01 PM I have a training question in anticipation of the upcoming holidays. I am using the 20 week Winter Maintenance plan for sprint tri's from this site and just finished the third full week. I have stuck to the plan pretty closely except missed a core workout here and there. I will be away for about 5 days between Christmas and New Years with no access to a gym, pool, or bike. What should I do before or during the hiatus to maintain momentum/conditioning so not to lose what I have gained so far? I probably will find a way to run while away but I am not sure how to go about setting up running plans to substitute for the scheduled training. Thanks for any suggestions/advice. This group has been a wonderful source of information in a very short time. Glen I was going to check out you logs to see what you had been doing, but I am not a FRIEND ![]() I would say ...just run. Can't go wrong with that. Really wouldn't worry too much about the plan, but just keep doing what you are doing. You might be able to throw a couple extra runs in there and just start back on the plan when you get back. Don't hurt yourself, but you should not lose anything over a few days. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Holy cow this group posts a lot! I was trying to catch-up on the four pages posted since last night, and during this there was an add'l one page of posts added! Haha! Awesome to have such an active team! When is this virtual tri? Just remember that I am a true beginner in swim and run, and I don't want anyone to lose because of me! On a positive note, my swim is getting better. Head position and breathing still leave a lot to be desired, but I'm able to swim further and longer in between rests already....after only three weeks of training. Still looking for a local OWS before Lone Star. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Plainsman AU - 2009-12-18 3:17 PM gdctex - 2009-12-18 3:01 PM I have a training question in anticipation of the upcoming holidays. I am using the 20 week Winter Maintenance plan for sprint tri's from this site and just finished the third full week. I have stuck to the plan pretty closely except missed a core workout here and there. I will be away for about 5 days between Christmas and New Years with no access to a gym, pool, or bike. What should I do before or during the hiatus to maintain momentum/conditioning so not to lose what I have gained so far? I probably will find a way to run while away but I am not sure how to go about setting up running plans to substitute for the scheduled training. Thanks for any suggestions/advice. This group has been a wonderful source of information in a very short time. Glen I was going to check out you logs to see what you had been doing, but I am not a FRIEND ![]() I would say ...just run. Can't go wrong with that. Really wouldn't worry too much about the plan, but just keep doing what you are doing. You might be able to throw a couple extra runs in there and just start back on the plan when you get back. Don't hurt yourself, but you should not lose anything over a few days. Sorry Barry. I just added you. I have not figured out a way to add everyone in the group as a friend except doing it one by one. I guess I should do that this weekend. I was thinking the same....just run and get the time/miles in. I usually make this harder than it probably needs to be. So, when I return, just continue the plan as is from that day on? |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The virtual tri is when we as a group decide to have it. It was over a two or three week window last time. Do not worry about being a beginner the only thing anyone wins is bragging rights. It is all about giving ourselves something to strive for and to create points of comparison for future efforts. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DougRob - 2009-12-18 1:41 PM The virtual tri is when we as a group decide to have it. It was over a two or three week window last time. Do not worry about being a beginner the only thing anyone wins is bragging rights. It is all about giving ourselves something to strive for and to create points of comparison for future efforts. We will start talking trash about the virtual tri after the new year. Too many people have too much going on, so we will start looking into it probably 2-3rd week of Jan. Don't fret it.... It's lots of fun! Even if everyone cheated on their times!!! ![]() |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gdctex - 2009-12-18 3:01 PM I have a training question in anticipation of the upcoming holidays. I am using the 20 week Winter Maintenance plan for sprint tri's from this site and just finished the third full week. I have stuck to the plan pretty closely except missed a core workout here and there. I will be away for about 5 days between Christmas and New Years with no access to a gym, pool, or bike. What should I do before or during the hiatus to maintain momentum/conditioning so not to lose what I have gained so far? I probably will find a way to run while away but I am not sure how to go about setting up running plans to substitute for the scheduled training. Thanks for any suggestions/advice. This group has been a wonderful source of information in a very short time. Glen Whenever I go out of town and can't swim/bike I just run. I do the planned workouts, or maybe add a little distance or intensity to make up for lost time in other areas. When I come back I listen to my body and get back on the plan, not trying to make up workouts. I might add an extra bike or something in lieu of a run upon my return (cuz cycling is my weakness) but if you're keeping up the fitness don't sweat it too much. I have also found gyms and hit a spin class or two -- it's never like what I'm used to, but I figure it never hurts as it is time on a bike! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ashort33 - 2009-12-18 10:43 AM Swim training question: I am trying to figure out the best way to train for the swim. I get one day a week of drills with my TNT group; however, I still have two or three other swim sessions to get in each week. I was thinking of doing one workout as a distance swim - anywhere from 1200-2000 yds easy swim; the other I was thinking of keeping it short and working on speed - you know the whole 10x50 and 10x100 type stuff. Does that make sense? Also, what to do about the fourth workout in a week? Intermediate distance maybe (5 x400 or the like) or should I work on othe weak parts of my swim (sighting, billateral breathing, etc...)? I've been a swimmer for a gazillion years, which either makes me qualified to answer this or makes my answers irrelevant because I don't have typical swimming issues!! But when I am swimming I always mix up everything in workouts. I do a nice long warm-up set with swim/kick/pull (usually something like 500 swim, 200 kick w/board, 300 pull). Then I sort-of go with my mood but I'll often have a set of drills, a set of 50's or 100's, and if I want to up the yardage I'll do a longer set of 200's to 400's. One of my favorite things to do is some kind of a ladder, either mixing in kick/pull/drill or speed differences. Example: 25 kick 50 drill 75 pull 100 fast (and then go back down) Or 50 swim moderate 100 with 50 drill/50 perfect stroke 150 with 50 easy/50 fast/50 easy (or 50 drill/50 perfect/50 fast) 200 fast (or go 100 perfect/100 fast or whatever) (and then go back down) You can do all sorts of ladder variations -- I think they're fun. You can totally play around with it and keep 'em short or really long (100-200-300-400-300-200-100 = 1600 yards; repeat the 400 and it's 2K [duh]). |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gdctex - 2009-12-18 4:01 PM I have a training question in anticipation of the upcoming holidays. I am using the 20 week Winter Maintenance plan for sprint tri's from this site and just finished the third full week. I have stuck to the plan pretty closely except missed a core workout here and there. I will be away for about 5 days between Christmas and New Years with no access to a gym, pool, or bike. What should I do before or during the hiatus to maintain momentum/conditioning so not to lose what I have gained so far? I probably will find a way to run while away but I am not sure how to go about setting up running plans to substitute for the scheduled training. Thanks for any suggestions/advice. This group has been a wonderful source of information in a very short time. Glen Do what you can and enjoy your vacation. If you can't get in a swim or bike don't let it get to you. |
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