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 2016-09-05 8:35 AM in reply to: Hot Runner |
Master  9705     Raleigh, NC area |  Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à troisOriginally posted by Hot Runner Karen (and Rover the bike) did make it to Mooloolaba and finished the race. Still not sure what happened--my Garmin mysteriously refused to turn on at the start, so I have no data to figure it all out. I'm pretty sure I rode a bit extra on the bike. The middle loops were VERY confusing and poorly marked, and I'm not the only athlete it happened to. At most, I may have ridden about an extra 10.5 km. My splits for one 10 km section make ZERO sense (that was marked on the road, and a fast stretch, not the part where the big 18% hill was) and I'm pretty sure I rode at least part of "Loop 2" before I rode (or noticed the sign for) "Loop 1", then was told by an official, if you don't want to DQ, you'd better go back and ride Loop 2 again even if you think you did it, because you can't do them out of order." But if I subtract the time for an extra 10.5 km loop, that would put my bike split way up there with the top women in my AG....probably not. There were a bunch of overlaps with the loops and heading in and out of them from the Sunshine Motorway--I think I rode some extra between 40 and 50 km but no way to know how much extra. Ugh.... Beautiful course, and I'm glad I qualified, made it here, and finished, though I'd hoped for a more impressive end to my season than a long ride through the Twilight Zone! Will attempt a race report later. Not sure I want to relive it LOL. OMG, Karen! I am so sorry to hear about the bike course kerfuffle. Twilight Zone for sure! And to top things off, a cranky Garmin! boo! Congratulations, again, on qualifying. That's a pretty amazing achievement in and of itself! I hope that you had fun on site in the time leading up to the race. |
| 2016-09-05 12:06 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Hi all, happy labour day! Proof of life post. Had a great vacation, then last week was the push to get ready for the new batch of kids that will start tomorrow. I'm never ready for them Hope all the racers had good ones. Karen, congrats on your WC race, despite the bike troubles! Robin, that does sound a bit odd re the cut offs. Hopefully it is a typo!
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| 2016-09-05 4:19 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by fortissimo So we got the athletes' guide for the 106 West Dillon Half Distance Tri for next Saturday. I'm really confused so I'm hoping you guys can help me sort this out. I'm in the third and final wave and we start the swim at 9:43. I plan on starting towards the back because of my experience with IM Boulder last year so that puts my in the water at about 9:45. Because the swim is at 9,000 feet, I'm thinking my swim will be slower than usual but still under 40 minutes. That would put me out of the water at the latest 10:25. The trek to T1 is up the boat ramp, across the ramp road, and up about 30 steep stairs. I'm giving myself 10 minutes for my pizza delivery, I mean my T1 time so that puts be at 10:35. Not confusing yet, right? Just wait a sec!! The bike course is a 2-loop course of 14 up 14 down. First 2 miles are not flat, but not too bad. Next 12 are all climbing to 10,300 feet. (What the hell did I sign up for???) The last 5 miles to the turn around are a mix of 5% to 8% grades. Now for the confusing part: The guide has the first loop cut-off for wave 3 at 12:34. That gives me 1:59 to complete the first 28 miles. But what about the slower swimmers? The swim cutoff is 10:53, so they only have about 1:40 for T1 and that first loop. We have until 3:03 to finish the bike, so that's about 2:30 for the second loop. Does this sound right? Even the pros have more time for the bike than my wave. My brother-in-law rode the course today and it took him 1:51 for that first loop. He's in the wave with me so he's going to be cutting it close. While I am a better climber than he is, he descends faster. He told me that if I get a flat or have to stop for water (they're making us stop at aid stations!?!?!) that I'm not going to make the cutoff. Many of us have emailed the race director but have not heard back. I do know that if I don't make that first bike cutoff, or even the second, I'm going to be cranky. I will still do the run because they can't stop me. They can take my timing chip but they can't prevent me from running. So, what are your thoughts? yikes! Do let us know what the RD says. It make no sense that the pros would get more time before bike cutoff than the age groupers! Well, it can make some sense when knowing that different values can be placed on things. The pros would seem to have more time because they always go first and those who go earlier will have more time until the cut-off. The cut-offs can be there for permits and/or licenses needed for running an event that can basically take over sections of public areas (or lent for use by private ones). It'll cost to have personnel like the police officers for these areas too. The first lap time limit will tend to be at a point where they think the people who don't make it will have little to no chance of making the final cut-off. So then there is a question of what to do with people out on the course if they are let to continue going around. Do you pull support at the time stated? It's not just supplies, but traffic control going on. Some areas just aren't safe, and it may not be legal to be out on the roads except in a car. Some highways do have that. It's not just about giving everyone in the race the same thing, but working with the whole community the race takes place in. By all means, go ahead and ask about things like the cut-off times. It does seem quick for the first lap for people just making the swim cut-off. They may not have thought of everything. Do keep in mind that this won't be most people. The last wave still has a full hour to do the swim, so most of the field will have longer, making it more balanced the quicker they are out. There is also going back to the support part and remembering that this is a high altitude event. Not sure many will be used to it or know how to handle it. Probably near everyone who doesn't have something like a mechanical on the first lap will take longer on the second. Possibly much longer. I know people will want to see how far they can go, but keep in mind that also means they'll be pushing closer to their limits and may need more immediate medical attention. There has to be some point where the race decides how much it's willing to handle. |
| 2016-09-06 3:35 AM in reply to: 0 |
Master 8249 Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Thanks for all the well-wishing. Have tried and tried and given up trying to figure out what happened with the bike. Something totally not right between 41 and 62 km. An extra loop doesn't make sense (time a bit too fast), splits as written don't either--it would have me riding a flat stretch at 22 kph for 10 km, when I was feeling great and had no mechanical issues. Maybe I really did disappear into the Twilight Zone! Anyhow, at least the pictures turned out nice. Posting a few below. For the first time in my life, I bought the Finisher Pix photos (promised Mom I would if I didn't have puke all over me!) so maybe can put some in the race report. It may be a while--I'm pretty pissed with myself for whatever I managed to inadvertently screw up on the bike leg! But I can't complain about the ambiance, or the weather. I wish they had a pic of the swim start. It was deep water, like you see at Kona (I think) only instead of big masses of people we're in this (relatively) intimate wave of 100 women, treading water and holding on to some paddle boards holding us back. There was a little hold up with timers or something and we were just out there chatting like we'd happened to meet up out there, until the starter held up his horn! ETA Rover is the humble red Cervelo with the lucky Lao elephant sticker, not the fancy pink flowered bike next door. Edited by Hot Runner 2016-09-06 3:41 AM (DSCN0379.jpg) (DSCN0365.jpg) Attachments ---------------- DSCN0379.jpg (2686KB - 4 downloads) DSCN0365.jpg (2556KB - 3 downloads) |
| 2016-09-06 10:20 AM in reply to: fortissimo |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by fortissimo So we got the athletes' guide for the 106 West Dillon Half Distance Tri for next Saturday. I'm really confused so I'm hoping you guys can help me sort this out. I'm in the third and final wave and we start the swim at 9:43. I plan on starting towards the back because of my experience with IM Boulder last year so that puts my in the water at about 9:45. Because the swim is at 9,000 feet, I'm thinking my swim will be slower than usual but still under 40 minutes. That would put me out of the water at the latest 10:25. The trek to T1 is up the boat ramp, across the ramp road, and up about 30 steep stairs. I'm giving myself 10 minutes for my pizza delivery, I mean my T1 time so that puts be at 10:35. Not confusing yet, right? Just wait a sec!! The bike course is a 2-loop course of 14 up 14 down. First 2 miles are not flat, but not too bad. Next 12 are all climbing to 10,300 feet. (What the hell did I sign up for???) The last 5 miles to the turn around are a mix of 5% to 8% grades. Now for the confusing part: The guide has the first loop cut-off for wave 3 at 12:34. That gives me 1:59 to complete the first 28 miles. But what about the slower swimmers? The swim cutoff is 10:53, so they only have about 1:40 for T1 and that first loop. We have until 3:03 to finish the bike, so that's about 2:30 for the second loop. Does this sound right? Even the pros have more time for the bike than my wave. My brother-in-law rode the course today and it took him 1:51 for that first loop. He's in the wave with me so he's going to be cutting it close. While I am a better climber than he is, he descends faster. He told me that if I get a flat or have to stop for water (they're making us stop at aid stations!?!?!) that I'm not going to make the cutoff. Many of us have emailed the race director but have not heard back. I do know that if I don't make that first bike cutoff, or even the second, I'm going to be cranky. I will still do the run because they can't stop me. They can take my timing chip but they can't prevent me from running. So, what are your thoughts? I just ran across this "The race director informed me there are errors in the athlete guide. The 28-mile cutoff is not 12:34 p.m., rather 1:35 p.m. That I can do. He added that the second bike cut at 39 miles should read 2:36 p.m, not 1:35 p.m."
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| 2016-09-06 10:27 AM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by fortissimo So we got the athletes' guide for the 106 West Dillon Half Distance Tri for next Saturday. I'm really confused so I'm hoping you guys can help me sort this out. I'm in the third and final wave and we start the swim at 9:43. I plan on starting towards the back because of my experience with IM Boulder last year so that puts my in the water at about 9:45. Because the swim is at 9,000 feet, I'm thinking my swim will be slower than usual but still under 40 minutes. That would put me out of the water at the latest 10:25. The trek to T1 is up the boat ramp, across the ramp road, and up about 30 steep stairs. I'm giving myself 10 minutes for my pizza delivery, I mean my T1 time so that puts be at 10:35. Not confusing yet, right? Just wait a sec!! The bike course is a 2-loop course of 14 up 14 down. First 2 miles are not flat, but not too bad. Next 12 are all climbing to 10,300 feet. (What the hell did I sign up for???) The last 5 miles to the turn around are a mix of 5% to 8% grades. Now for the confusing part: The guide has the first loop cut-off for wave 3 at 12:34. That gives me 1:59 to complete the first 28 miles. But what about the slower swimmers? The swim cutoff is 10:53, so they only have about 1:40 for T1 and that first loop. We have until 3:03 to finish the bike, so that's about 2:30 for the second loop. Does this sound right? Even the pros have more time for the bike than my wave. My brother-in-law rode the course today and it took him 1:51 for that first loop. He's in the wave with me so he's going to be cutting it close. While I am a better climber than he is, he descends faster. He told me that if I get a flat or have to stop for water (they're making us stop at aid stations!?!?!) that I'm not going to make the cutoff. Many of us have emailed the race director but have not heard back. I do know that if I don't make that first bike cutoff, or even the second, I'm going to be cranky. I will still do the run because they can't stop me. They can take my timing chip but they can't prevent me from running. So, what are your thoughts? I just ran across this "The race director informed me there are errors in the athlete guide. The 28-mile cutoff is not 12:34 p.m., rather 1:35 p.m. That I can do. He added that the second bike cut at 39 miles should read 2:36 p.m, not 1:35 p.m."
Yay! Good sleuthing Janyne! |
| 2016-09-06 11:59 AM in reply to: rrrunner |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by fortissimo So we got the athletes' guide for the 106 West Dillon Half Distance Tri for next Saturday. I'm really confused so I'm hoping you guys can help me sort this out. I'm in the third and final wave and we start the swim at 9:43. I plan on starting towards the back because of my experience with IM Boulder last year so that puts my in the water at about 9:45. Because the swim is at 9,000 feet, I'm thinking my swim will be slower than usual but still under 40 minutes. That would put me out of the water at the latest 10:25. The trek to T1 is up the boat ramp, across the ramp road, and up about 30 steep stairs. I'm giving myself 10 minutes for my pizza delivery, I mean my T1 time so that puts be at 10:35. Not confusing yet, right? Just wait a sec!! The bike course is a 2-loop course of 14 up 14 down. First 2 miles are not flat, but not too bad. Next 12 are all climbing to 10,300 feet. (What the hell did I sign up for???) The last 5 miles to the turn around are a mix of 5% to 8% grades. Now for the confusing part: The guide has the first loop cut-off for wave 3 at 12:34. That gives me 1:59 to complete the first 28 miles. But what about the slower swimmers? The swim cutoff is 10:53, so they only have about 1:40 for T1 and that first loop. We have until 3:03 to finish the bike, so that's about 2:30 for the second loop. Does this sound right? Even the pros have more time for the bike than my wave. My brother-in-law rode the course today and it took him 1:51 for that first loop. He's in the wave with me so he's going to be cutting it close. While I am a better climber than he is, he descends faster. He told me that if I get a flat or have to stop for water (they're making us stop at aid stations!?!?!) that I'm not going to make the cutoff. Many of us have emailed the race director but have not heard back. I do know that if I don't make that first bike cutoff, or even the second, I'm going to be cranky. I will still do the run because they can't stop me. They can take my timing chip but they can't prevent me from running. So, what are your thoughts? I just ran across this "The race director informed me there are errors in the athlete guide. The 28-mile cutoff is not 12:34 p.m., rather 1:35 p.m. That I can do. He added that the second bike cut at 39 miles should read 2:36 p.m, not 1:35 p.m."
Yay! Good sleuthing Janyne! And that's why you ask to be sure! |
| 2016-09-06 1:16 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Member 285 Cypress, Texas | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Had my "neighborhood" Tri yesterday. Was way too hot again, just like last year. 80 degrees with over 90% humidity. Olympic waves started at 7, Sprints at 8. Since I was riding to the event with the bike (2 miles from my house) I checked my bike on Sunday and everything was in order. Monday morning rolls around I put on my bike shoes and helmet and carry the bike out of the garage and whoops, flat on the rear tire. Seriously. Changed the tire real quick and thankfully it didn't take very long and had plenty of time to make it to the race site and setup. Then at race start they let the PC category go ahead of the first wave by 1 minute (this was my 1st time in the PC class and I think the main reason why they did this was because there was a blind athlete competing to give him more room). Well in my case this is how it played out: There were 3 guys in the PC category. We got about 100 meters out when all the sudden a kayak cut me and the other guy off and told us that we had to go back to the start since this was the PC category. So we had to educate him that we were indeed PC and were able to move on. Of course at this point we were both out of our rhythm. To top it off another 50 meters or so and the wave behind us caught us and of course they all swam right over us Needless to say my swim while better than last year was again pretty horrible. The humidity does not sit well with my system at all. We found out later that the race announcer thought that only one person was registered for the PC category hence why he sent the kayak out to cut us off. Bike was good and then the run was not pretty as well. A combination of my ankle not being a 100% and my heart rate getting too close to max way to often left me walking quite frequently. The course only has maybe a quarter mile of shade coverage and the sun was beating down on us pretty bad. Anyhow I finished and improved last years time by about a minute. Wife and kids didn't make it to the race site until I already had crossed the finish line.  Summary: Better swim, slightly better ride and way worse run than last year, but better overall time. Nice event though with over 1000 athletes competing. Markus |
| 2016-09-06 5:02 PM in reply to: Hot Runner |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by Hot Runner Thanks for all the well-wishing. Have tried and tried and given up trying to figure out what happened with the bike. Something totally not right between 41 and 62 km. An extra loop doesn't make sense (time a bit too fast), splits as written don't either--it would have me riding a flat stretch at 22 kph for 10 km, when I was feeling great and had no mechanical issues. Maybe I really did disappear into the Twilight Zone! Anyhow, at least the pictures turned out nice. Posting a few below. For the first time in my life, I bought the Finisher Pix photos (promised Mom I would if I didn't have puke all over me!) so maybe can put some in the race report. It may be a while--I'm pretty pissed with myself for whatever I managed to inadvertently screw up on the bike leg! But I can't complain about the ambiance, or the weather. I wish they had a pic of the swim start. It was deep water, like you see at Kona (I think) only instead of big masses of people we're in this (relatively) intimate wave of 100 women, treading water and holding on to some paddle boards holding us back. There was a little hold up with timers or something and we were just out there chatting like we'd happened to meet up out there, until the starter held up his horn! ETA Rover is the humble red Cervelo with the lucky Lao elephant sticker, not the fancy pink flowered bike next door. Thoughts like yours were common enough to warrant an article over on ST. |
| 2016-09-06 6:49 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Master 8249 Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Yep, what a cluster f.... I still wonder what would have happened if I had just gone back, done Loop 1, and then finished, rather than going back for what I believe was a second round of Loop 2. The course official actually wasn't sure, so he said if I wanted to make sure not to DQ, I'd better do 1 and 2 in sequence. Shouldn't he know that?? Just kind of pissed. We all paid good $ and trained for months/years to be there and the marking and officiating in that section was better suited to a little local event with 100 people. |
| 2016-09-06 9:14 PM in reply to: Hot Runner |
Veteran 1900 Southampton, Ontario | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by Hot Runner Yep, what a cluster f.... I still wonder what would have happened if I had just gone back, done Loop 1, and then finished, rather than going back for what I believe was a second round of Loop 2. The course official actually wasn't sure, so he said if I wanted to make sure not to DQ, I'd better do 1 and 2 in sequence. Shouldn't he know that?? Just kind of pissed. We all paid good $ and trained for months/years to be there and the marking and officiating in that section was better suited to a little local event with 100 people. Well I can certainly feel your pain as I had a bit of a lap mix up on my Xterra race earlier this year. I have never been a fan of looped races and although we are all supposed to "know and follow the course" I think its a bit of a cop out - Its a triathlon not an orienteering exercise! |
| 2016-09-06 9:17 PM in reply to: johnthecat |
Veteran 1900 Southampton, Ontario | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by johnthecat Bike was good and then the run was not pretty as well. A combination of my ankle not being a 100% and my heart rate getting too close to max way to often left me walking quite frequently. The course only has maybe a quarter mile of shade coverage and the sun was beating down on us pretty bad. Anyhow I finished and improved last years time by about a minute. Wife and kids didn't make it to the race site until I already had crossed the finish line. Summary: Better swim, slightly better ride and way worse run than last year, but better overall time. Nice event though with over 1000 athletes competing. Markus Sounds like you had your challenges but STILL had a better time! Just think about how well its going to go next year with hopefully better weather, no intrusive kayaks and a better run. |
| 2016-09-06 9:24 PM in reply to: DaveL |
Veteran 1900 Southampton, Ontario | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Okay crazy plan time. I have to do a blasted Tough Mudder "race??" this Saturday which friends signed me up for. I also have a 40km run scheduled as part of my 50km race coming up Oct 1st. It seems that the tough mudder is 40km from my house. I can push the run to Sunday or ???? |
| 2016-09-07 7:45 AM in reply to: DaveL |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by DaveL Originally posted by Hot Runner Yep, what a cluster f.... I still wonder what would have happened if I had just gone back, done Loop 1, and then finished, rather than going back for what I believe was a second round of Loop 2. The course official actually wasn't sure, so he said if I wanted to make sure not to DQ, I'd better do 1 and 2 in sequence. Shouldn't he know that?? Just kind of pissed. We all paid good $ and trained for months/years to be there and the marking and officiating in that section was better suited to a little local event with 100 people. Well I can certainly feel your pain as I had a bit of a lap mix up on my Xterra race earlier this year. I have never been a fan of looped races and although we are all supposed to "know and follow the course" I think its a bit of a cop out - Its a triathlon not an orienteering exercise! Exactly! |
| 2016-09-07 9:13 AM in reply to: Hot Runner |
| 1731 Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by Hot Runner Yep, what a cluster f.... I still wonder what would have happened if I had just gone back, done Loop 1, and then finished, rather than going back for what I believe was a second round of Loop 2. The course official actually wasn't sure, so he said if I wanted to make sure not to DQ, I'd better do 1 and 2 in sequence. Shouldn't he know that?? Just kind of pissed. We all paid good $ and trained for months/years to be there and the marking and officiating in that section was better suited to a little local event with 100 people. Karen, congrats on participating in such race! Sorry it was such a ...confusing... experience :/ You are completely right - for race prestigious like this and for $$$ people paid it should have been perfectly marked.... |
| 2016-09-07 9:16 AM in reply to: DaveL |
| 1731 Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by DaveL Originally posted by johnthecat Bike was good and then the run was not pretty as well. A combination of my ankle not being a 100% and my heart rate getting too close to max way to often left me walking quite frequently. The course only has maybe a quarter mile of shade coverage and the sun was beating down on us pretty bad. Anyhow I finished and improved last years time by about a minute. Wife and kids didn't make it to the race site until I already had crossed the finish line. Summary: Better swim, slightly better ride and way worse run than last year, but better overall time. Nice event though with over 1000 athletes competing. Markus Sounds like you had your challenges but STILL had a better time! Just think about how well its going to go next year with hopefully better weather, no intrusive kayaks and a better run. Congrats on completing a race with some extra challenges, and improving your time! I know what you feel about family not being there at the finish line - I always make notes for my mom, and for some strange reason she misses me at every mark.... I have recently started calling her from the run about a mile before the finish to make sure she knows where to stand... |
| 2016-09-07 9:34 AM in reply to: DaveL |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by DaveL Okay crazy plan time. I have to do a blasted Tough Mudder "race??" this Saturday which friends signed me up for. I also have a 40km run scheduled as part of my 50km race coming up Oct 1st. It seems that the tough mudder is 40km from my house. I can push the run to Sunday or ???? I'm wondering about still running the same day, but subtracting off some for the Tough Mudder? I know it's not the same, but sometimes the really big ones can be more about being out and active a lot than being perfectly continuous. Neither is really optimal, so taking a look back at what you're trying to get out of the really big run. |
| 2016-09-07 11:16 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
| 1731 Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Trail runners: anything unusual I should expect in trail half marathon? This is my very first trail run, I don't even remember why I signed up for it (8 months ago it sounded like a good idea, or I just didn't even notice it was trail). I do not have any fancy shoes, just regular running ones, the weather should be nice (sunny and 72 degrees), so no worries about rain/mud. I am not planning to push too hard, just enjoy the views around while running in a relaxing pace. |
| 2016-09-07 11:39 AM in reply to: 0 |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by marysia83Trail runners: anything unusual I should expect in trail half marathon?This is my very first trail run, I don't even remember why I signed up for it (8 months ago it sounded like a good idea, or I just didn't even notice it was trail).I do not have any fancy shoes, just regular running ones, the weather should be nice (sunny and 72 degrees), so no worries about rain/mud. I am not planning to push too hard, just enjoy the views around while running in a relaxing pace. I love trail races, so glad you are doing one!! The differences between a trail and road race are, mainly, that your pace on a trail will be slower than road, how much depends on a inner of factors including how technical the trail is and how comfortable you are running over obstacles - I'm assuming the race isn't only flat, groomed trail. Also, the while atmosphere is different - much more laid back and friendly. Trail races are usually much smaller too. As far as shoes goes, I've run all my trail races and training runs in my normal running shoe without issue. Sometimes a trail.shoe is helpful, eg, the terrain is such that you need more grip, but since you don't have a trail.shoe, just go easy on downhills until you figure out if your shoe is enough to let you run as you like. ETA: ignore all the autocorrect words that don't make sense!!Edited by amd723 2016-09-07 11:41 AM |
| 2016-09-07 11:42 AM in reply to: amd723 |
| 1731 Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by marysia83Trail runners: anything unusual I should expect in trail half marathon?This is my very first trail run, I don't even remember why I signed up for it (8 months ago it sounded like a good idea, or I just didn't even notice it was trail).I do not have any fancy shoes, just regular running ones, the weather should be nice (sunny and 72 degrees), so no worries about rain/mud. I am not planning to push too hard, just enjoy the views around while running in a relaxing pace. I love trail races, so glad you are doing one!! The differences between a trail and road race are, mainly, that your pace on a trail will be slower than road, how much depends on a inner of factors including how technical the trail is and how comfortable you are running over obstacles - I'm assuming the race isn't only flat, groomed trail. Also, the while atmosphere is different - much more laid back and friendly. Trail races are usually much smaller too. As far as shoes goes, I've run all my trail races and training runs in my normal running shoe without issue. Sometimes a trail.shoe is helpful, eg, the terrain is such that you need more grip, but since you don't have a trail.shoe, just go easy on downhills until you figure out if your shoe is enough to let you run as you like. ETA: ignore all the autocorrect words that don't make sense!! What you described sounds awesome! I hope I won't get addicted haha  Ok, great, so I will just enjoy the course and be careful downhills  |
| 2016-09-07 12:22 PM in reply to: #5193167 |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois I agree with Hand and would only add that you make sure you know how far apart aid stations are. They're often more spread out on trail races. |
| 2016-09-07 12:31 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by rrrunner I agree with Hand and would only add that you make sure you know how far apart aid stations are. They're often more spread out on trail races. Does this mean Ann-Marie is getting better at making decisions? |
| 2016-09-07 1:29 PM in reply to: 0 |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by marysia83 Trail runners: anything unusual I should expect in trail half marathon? This is my very first trail run, I don't even remember why I signed up for it (8 months ago it sounded like a good idea, or I just didn't even notice it was trail). I do not have any fancy shoes, just regular running ones, the weather should be nice (sunny and 72 degrees), so no worries about rain/mud. I am not planning to push too hard, just enjoy the views around while running in a relaxing pace. Think it's this one? It says crushed limestone and looks like a nice pathway through a park area. Probably not really going to be much of any more technical than the roads. Any shoes you have should be fine. Figure out the aid stations/water stops, as was mentioned and have an idea of what the route should be. Hills don't really look like anything substantial, just stay patient on them. Especially going up, keep the effort the same, which means you'll slow down as needed. Basically just things you should do at any race. It's usually when things get more into dirt and single track that they really get tricky (or really interesting!). The pathways look wide enough to drive a truck (which they do for maintenance) and may have horses on it. ETA: Something like Frozen Gnome up in Crystal Lake may have more like what Ann Marie was getting into with potential obstacles or watching your footing more. I can't remember others in the Chicago area at the moment, but have done others up in Wisconsin. Edited by brigby1 2016-09-07 1:34 PM |
| 2016-09-07 1:47 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
Member 667 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by fortissimo So we got the athletes' guide for the 106 West Dillon Half Distance Tri for next Saturday. I'm really confused so I'm hoping you guys can help me sort this out. I'm in the third and final wave and we start the swim at 9:43. I plan on starting towards the back because of my experience with IM Boulder last year so that puts my in the water at about 9:45. Because the swim is at 9,000 feet, I'm thinking my swim will be slower than usual but still under 40 minutes. That would put me out of the water at the latest 10:25. The trek to T1 is up the boat ramp, across the ramp road, and up about 30 steep stairs. I'm giving myself 10 minutes for my pizza delivery, I mean my T1 time so that puts be at 10:35. Not confusing yet, right? Just wait a sec!! The bike course is a 2-loop course of 14 up 14 down. First 2 miles are not flat, but not too bad. Next 12 are all climbing to 10,300 feet. (What the hell did I sign up for???) The last 5 miles to the turn around are a mix of 5% to 8% grades. Now for the confusing part: The guide has the first loop cut-off for wave 3 at 12:34. That gives me 1:59 to complete the first 28 miles. But what about the slower swimmers? The swim cutoff is 10:53, so they only have about 1:40 for T1 and that first loop. We have until 3:03 to finish the bike, so that's about 2:30 for the second loop. Does this sound right? Even the pros have more time for the bike than my wave. My brother-in-law rode the course today and it took him 1:51 for that first loop. He's in the wave with me so he's going to be cutting it close. While I am a better climber than he is, he descends faster. He told me that if I get a flat or have to stop for water (they're making us stop at aid stations!?!?!) that I'm not going to make the cutoff. Many of us have emailed the race director but have not heard back. I do know that if I don't make that first bike cutoff, or even the second, I'm going to be cranky. I will still do the run because they can't stop me. They can take my timing chip but they can't prevent me from running. So, what are your thoughts? I just ran across this "The race director informed me there are errors in the athlete guide. The 28-mile cutoff is not 12:34 p.m., rather 1:35 p.m. That I can do. He added that the second bike cut at 39 miles should read 2:36 p.m, not 1:35 p.m."
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| 2016-09-07 1:48 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
| 1731 Denver, Colorado | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2016 - Manatee à trois Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by marysia83 Trail runners: anything unusual I should expect in trail half marathon? This is my very first trail run, I don't even remember why I signed up for it (8 months ago it sounded like a good idea, or I just didn't even notice it was trail). I do not have any fancy shoes, just regular running ones, the weather should be nice (sunny and 72 degrees), so no worries about rain/mud. I am not planning to push too hard, just enjoy the views around while running in a relaxing pace. Think it's this one? It says crushed limestone and looks like a nice pathway through a park area. Probably not really going to be much of any more technical than the roads. Any shoes you have should be fine. Figure out the aid stations/water stops, as was mentioned and have an idea of what the route should be. Hills don't really look like anything substantial, just stay patient on them. Especially going up, keep the effort the same, which means you'll slow down as needed. Basically just things you should do at any race. It's usually when things get more into dirt and single track that they really get tricky (or really interesting!). The pathways look wide enough to drive a truck (which they do for maintenance) and may have horses on it. ETA: Something like Frozen Gnome up in Crystal Lake may have more like what Ann Marie was getting into with potential obstacles or watching your footing more. I can't remember others in the Chicago area at the moment, but have done others up in Wisconsin. Thanks for your input, Ben! Yes, it does say limestone. It's just whenever I see "trail" I am thinking Ann Marie, Salty, and TJ.... and their crazy stories Here's a link to a map, which shows aid stations: https://www.allcommunityevents.com/naperville_half/nhm_map.pdf This one shows elevation, which also does not mean much to me: https://www.allcommunityevents.com/naperville_half/nhm_elevation_gra... Anyways, looking forward to have fun. And some new experience |
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