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 2012-10-24 3:25 PM in reply to: #4467612 |
 Alpharetta, Georgia |  Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coultertrinnas - 2012-10-24 3:12 PM BikerGrrrl - 2012-10-24 4:04 PM The problem here is that Ann Coulter actually thinks it's okay to throw about the word and has done it repeatedly! This is the sort of word that needs to be unlearned and until people who should know better understand the impact of using it, and stop saying it, they need to be reminded. Would any of you actually defend her if she called Obama the n-word? THIS IS NOT DIFFERENT. Simply, retarded as a derogatory term is still sort of "up and coming." If a person who is directly impacted by a word tells me I should stop using it, I think I should take them very seriously. So shall we start a list of all banned words and thoughts and burn all the books that contain them so they no longer contaminate society. People have been insulting one another since the beginning of language. They will continue to do so till we are exterminated from the planet. People in this forum insult others all the time calling them all sorts of things Fat lazy and stupid to name a few and many many laugh and join in the "fun". You want a world without insults you will have to get rid of human kind. Why is one insult OK and another is evil?
Yes in a perfect world there would be no hurtful insults. |
| 2012-10-24 3:26 PM in reply to: #4467592 |
Master  4119  Toronto Bronze member | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter blueyedbikergirl - 2012-10-24 4:02 PM trinnas - 2012-10-24 2:56 PM blueyedbikergirl - 2012-10-24 3:43 PM trinnas - 2012-10-24 2:38 PM juniperjen - 2012-10-24 3:35 PM Regardless of any other person's actions and the political -for-tat (I realize it's election season) the response was wonderfully written address to an on-going use of a derogatory term that should not be used in this scenario - by someone who is completely impacted by something as simple as a word. What ever happened to sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me? This is a tempest in a teapot. It was an excellent letter though. It's often words that hurt the most and cut the deepest and you're right, it's an excellent and beautifully written response to the scenario. Words are just words, it is the person saying them that gives them impact. Why is everyone giving people like AC impact. We're going to have to agree to disagree. Hurtful words are hurtful, no matter who says them. They carry emotional impact that can be felt for years longer than any physical pain from sticks and stones. It's how the person takes in those hurtful words that makes the impact - not necessarily who says them. I agree - some words carry less weight but it's a little glib to take away from someone such as the letter writer who has had to endure this for his whole life and obviously feels the sting. For those who are truly disadvantaged (such as the intellectually challenged) these are words that continue to perpetuate their difficulty in life and he is absolutely right to call it out. |
| 2012-10-24 3:26 PM in reply to: #4467612 |
Champion 10020 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter trinnas - 2012-10-24 3:12 PM BikerGrrrl - 2012-10-24 4:04 PM The problem here is that Ann Coulter actually thinks it's okay to throw about the word and has done it repeatedly! This is the sort of word that needs to be unlearned and until people who should know better understand the impact of using it, and stop saying it, they need to be reminded. Would any of you actually defend her if she called Obama the n-word? THIS IS NOT DIFFERENT. Simply, retarded as a derogatory term is still sort of "up and coming." If a person who is directly impacted by a word tells me I should stop using it, I think I should take them very seriously. So shall we start a list of all banned words and thoughts and burn all the books that contain them so they no longer contaminate society. People have been insulting one another since the beginning of language. They will continue to do so till we are exterminated from the planet. People in this forum insult others all the time calling them all sorts of things Fat lazy and stupid to name a few and many many laugh and join in the "fun". You want a world without insults you will have to get rid of human kind. Why is one insult OK and another is evil? I don't approve of any insults. There is no need. |
| 2012-10-24 3:27 PM in reply to: #4467636 |
Champion 18680   Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter lisac957 - 2012-10-24 4:25 PM trinnas - 2012-10-24 3:12 PM BikerGrrrl - 2012-10-24 4:04 PM The problem here is that Ann Coulter actually thinks it's okay to throw about the word and has done it repeatedly! This is the sort of word that needs to be unlearned and until people who should know better understand the impact of using it, and stop saying it, they need to be reminded. Would any of you actually defend her if she called Obama the n-word? THIS IS NOT DIFFERENT. Simply, retarded as a derogatory term is still sort of "up and coming." If a person who is directly impacted by a word tells me I should stop using it, I think I should take them very seriously. So shall we start a list of all banned words and thoughts and burn all the books that contain them so they no longer contaminate society. People have been insulting one another since the beginning of language. They will continue to do so till we are exterminated from the planet. People in this forum insult others all the time calling them all sorts of things Fat lazy and stupid to name a few and many many laugh and join in the "fun". You want a world without insults you will have to get rid of human kind. Why is one insult OK and another is evil?
Yes in a perfect world there would be no hurtful insults. And you give her power by paying attention to her good or bad. You want people like that to stop insulting others? Stop listening to them and giving them attention! |
| 2012-10-24 3:30 PM in reply to: #4467643 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter trinnas - 2012-10-24 3:27 PM lisac957 - 2012-10-24 4:25 PM trinnas - 2012-10-24 3:12 PM BikerGrrrl - 2012-10-24 4:04 PM The problem here is that Ann Coulter actually thinks it's okay to throw about the word and has done it repeatedly! This is the sort of word that needs to be unlearned and until people who should know better understand the impact of using it, and stop saying it, they need to be reminded. Would any of you actually defend her if she called Obama the n-word? THIS IS NOT DIFFERENT. Simply, retarded as a derogatory term is still sort of "up and coming." If a person who is directly impacted by a word tells me I should stop using it, I think I should take them very seriously. So shall we start a list of all banned words and thoughts and burn all the books that contain them so they no longer contaminate society. People have been insulting one another since the beginning of language. They will continue to do so till we are exterminated from the planet. People in this forum insult others all the time calling them all sorts of things Fat lazy and stupid to name a few and many many laugh and join in the "fun". You want a world without insults you will have to get rid of human kind. Why is one insult OK and another is evil?
Yes in a perfect world there would be no hurtful insults. And you give her power by paying attention to her good or bad. You want people like that to stop insulting others? Stop listening to them and giving them attention! I disagree. If no one spoke up and held people accountable for their actions/words, it's similar to validating that their actions are okay. And they're not. I am allowed to vocally disagree. And I wish more people would who also disagreed, instead of sitting back and accepting it under the guise of "not giving them attention." |
| 2012-10-24 3:35 PM in reply to: #4467208 |
Master 1730 Straight outta Compton | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter I posted this on Facebook earlier today. Know the difference between Fox News and Ann Coulter? Ann Coulter also drives conservatives nuts. No way is her comment defensible. I'll leave it at that. |
| 2012-10-24 3:36 PM in reply to: #4467637 |
Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter juniperjen - 2012-10-24 4:26 PM blueyedbikergirl - 2012-10-24 4:02 PM trinnas - 2012-10-24 2:56 PM blueyedbikergirl - 2012-10-24 3:43 PM trinnas - 2012-10-24 2:38 PM juniperjen - 2012-10-24 3:35 PM Regardless of any other person's actions and the political -for-tat (I realize it's election season) the response was wonderfully written address to an on-going use of a derogatory term that should not be used in this scenario - by someone who is completely impacted by something as simple as a word. What ever happened to sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me? This is a tempest in a teapot. It was an excellent letter though. It's often words that hurt the most and cut the deepest and you're right, it's an excellent and beautifully written response to the scenario. Words are just words, it is the person saying them that gives them impact. Why is everyone giving people like AC impact. We're going to have to agree to disagree. Hurtful words are hurtful, no matter who says them. They carry emotional impact that can be felt for years longer than any physical pain from sticks and stones. It's how the person takes in those hurtful words that makes the impact - not necessarily who says them. I agree - some words carry less weight but it's a little glib to take away from someone such as the letter writer who has had to endure this for his whole life and obviously feels the sting. For those who are truly disadvantaged (such as the intellectually challenged) these are words that continue to perpetuate their difficulty in life and he is absolutely right to call it out. Is he right to call it out, yes I never said he wasn't. I also said he did an excellent job in that he turned a perceived negative into a positive and turned the tables on her. It is the tendency to want to "ban" words and thoughts that I have a problem with. It is the apoplexy that some will have over it that I think is ridiculous. Coulter said something monumentally stupid, That young man dealt with it in an admirable and classy fashion! |
| 2012-10-24 3:36 PM in reply to: #4467647 |
Master 1730 Straight outta Compton | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter lisac957 - 2012-10-24 2:30 PM trinnas - 2012-10-24 3:27 PM lisac957 - 2012-10-24 4:25 PM trinnas - 2012-10-24 3:12 PM BikerGrrrl - 2012-10-24 4:04 PM The problem here is that Ann Coulter actually thinks it's okay to throw about the word and has done it repeatedly! This is the sort of word that needs to be unlearned and until people who should know better understand the impact of using it, and stop saying it, they need to be reminded. Would any of you actually defend her if she called Obama the n-word? THIS IS NOT DIFFERENT. Simply, retarded as a derogatory term is still sort of "up and coming." If a person who is directly impacted by a word tells me I should stop using it, I think I should take them very seriously. So shall we start a list of all banned words and thoughts and burn all the books that contain them so they no longer contaminate society. People have been insulting one another since the beginning of language. They will continue to do so till we are exterminated from the planet. People in this forum insult others all the time calling them all sorts of things Fat lazy and stupid to name a few and many many laugh and join in the "fun". You want a world without insults you will have to get rid of human kind. Why is one insult OK and another is evil?
Yes in a perfect world there would be no hurtful insults. And you give her power by paying attention to her good or bad. You want people like that to stop insulting others? Stop listening to them and giving them attention! I disagree. If no one spoke up and held people accountable for their actions/words, it's similar to validating that their actions are okay. And they're not. I am allowed to vocally disagree. And I wish more people would who also disagreed, instead of sitting back and accepting it under the guise of "not giving them attention." The thing is, Lisa, Ann Coulter makes a living by largely saying outrageous things. She crosses the line often, unfortunately. |
| 2012-10-24 3:36 PM in reply to: #4467651 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter mcgilmartin - 2012-10-24 3:35 PM I posted this on Facebook earlier today. Know the difference between Fox News and Ann Coulter? Ann Coulter also drives conservatives nuts. No way is her comment defensible. I'll leave it at that. Smart move......this thread has been taken over by women arguing over how words are hurtful....we don't belong here. |
| 2012-10-24 3:38 PM in reply to: #4467655 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter mcgilmartin - 2012-10-24 3:36 PM lisac957 - 2012-10-24 2:30 PM trinnas - 2012-10-24 3:27 PM lisac957 - 2012-10-24 4:25 PM trinnas - 2012-10-24 3:12 PM BikerGrrrl - 2012-10-24 4:04 PM The problem here is that Ann Coulter actually thinks it's okay to throw about the word and has done it repeatedly! This is the sort of word that needs to be unlearned and until people who should know better understand the impact of using it, and stop saying it, they need to be reminded. Would any of you actually defend her if she called Obama the n-word? THIS IS NOT DIFFERENT. Simply, retarded as a derogatory term is still sort of "up and coming." If a person who is directly impacted by a word tells me I should stop using it, I think I should take them very seriously. So shall we start a list of all banned words and thoughts and burn all the books that contain them so they no longer contaminate society. People have been insulting one another since the beginning of language. They will continue to do so till we are exterminated from the planet. People in this forum insult others all the time calling them all sorts of things Fat lazy and stupid to name a few and many many laugh and join in the "fun". You want a world without insults you will have to get rid of human kind. Why is one insult OK and another is evil?
Yes in a perfect world there would be no hurtful insults. And you give her power by paying attention to her good or bad. You want people like that to stop insulting others? Stop listening to them and giving them attention! I disagree. If no one spoke up and held people accountable for their actions/words, it's similar to validating that their actions are okay. And they're not. I am allowed to vocally disagree. And I wish more people would who also disagreed, instead of sitting back and accepting it under the guise of "not giving them attention." The thing is, Lisa, Ann Coulter makes a living by largely saying outrageous things. She crosses the line often, unfortunately. The fact that she does this often has no bearing on it's acceptability in my mind. |
| 2012-10-24 3:41 PM in reply to: #4467654 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter trinnas - 2012-10-24 3:36 PM juniperjen - 2012-10-24 4:26 PM blueyedbikergirl - 2012-10-24 4:02 PM trinnas - 2012-10-24 2:56 PM blueyedbikergirl - 2012-10-24 3:43 PM trinnas - 2012-10-24 2:38 PM juniperjen - 2012-10-24 3:35 PM Regardless of any other person's actions and the political -for-tat (I realize it's election season) the response was wonderfully written address to an on-going use of a derogatory term that should not be used in this scenario - by someone who is completely impacted by something as simple as a word. What ever happened to sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me? This is a tempest in a teapot. It was an excellent letter though. It's often words that hurt the most and cut the deepest and you're right, it's an excellent and beautifully written response to the scenario. Words are just words, it is the person saying them that gives them impact. Why is everyone giving people like AC impact. We're going to have to agree to disagree. Hurtful words are hurtful, no matter who says them. They carry emotional impact that can be felt for years longer than any physical pain from sticks and stones. It's how the person takes in those hurtful words that makes the impact - not necessarily who says them. I agree - some words carry less weight but it's a little glib to take away from someone such as the letter writer who has had to endure this for his whole life and obviously feels the sting. For those who are truly disadvantaged (such as the intellectually challenged) these are words that continue to perpetuate their difficulty in life and he is absolutely right to call it out. Is he right to call it out, yes I never said he wasn't. I also said he did an excellent job in that he turned a perceived negative into a positive and turned the tables on her. It is the tendency to want to "ban" words and thoughts that I have a problem with. It is the apoplexy that some will have over it that I think is ridiculous. Coulter said something monumentally stupid, That young man dealt with it in an admirable and classy fashion! You put quotes around the word ban ... yet nobody in this string of quotes used that word except you. Did I miss someone saying we should ban the word in an earlier post? |
| 2012-10-24 4:01 PM in reply to: #4467488 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter Goosedog - 2012-10-24 3:17 PM Left Brain - 2012-10-24 3:11 PM I apologize. Apparently you have to do this in advance.
You only apologize in advance to your spouse. You're guilty, you just don't know what you did, yet. |
| 2012-10-24 4:03 PM in reply to: #4467722 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-10-24 4:01 PM Goosedog - 2012-10-24 3:17 PM Left Brain - 2012-10-24 3:11 PM I apologize. Apparently you have to do this in advance.
You only apologize in advance to your spouse. You're guilty, you just don't know what you did, yet. It's usually something you said and can't even remember saying.....you know, words hurt. Edited by Left Brain 2012-10-24 4:04 PM |
| 2012-10-24 4:06 PM in reply to: #4467208 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter Don't take this as me defending Ann Coulter, but this kind of talk (insulting each other without specific call for it) has been around for our Country's entire history and is allowed under Freedom of Speech. This article is a great summary of the fact that saying stupid @$%* like Ann Coulter said is as American as apple pie. From the article: Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman."  In return, Adams' men called Vice President Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father." |
| 2012-10-24 4:08 PM in reply to: #4467738 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter GomesBolt - 2012-10-24 4:06 PM Don't take this as me defending Ann Coulter, but this kind of talk (insulting each other without specific call for it) has been around for our Country's entire history and is allowed under Freedom of Speech. This article is a great summary of the fact that saying stupid @$%* like Ann Coulter said is as American as apple pie. From the article: Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman." In return, Adams' men called Vice President Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."Nobody has said it shouldn't be allowed. Nobody here is talking about banning the word.
Edited by crowny2 2012-10-24 4:13 PM |
| 2012-10-24 4:15 PM in reply to: #4467208 |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter Remember the SNL sketch with Jimmy Fallon and Rachel ? (something), they were the kids from Boston?? and the famous "Tommy, tell me you got that!" They used that word the entire sketch and I do not remember one complaint.
So to me, this is all about who used it, which reflects how upset people are. Republicans hate that OB used it, humans hate that AC used it, but no one is upset that SNL used/uses it. |
| 2012-10-24 4:20 PM in reply to: #4467740 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter crowny2 - 2012-10-24 5:08 PM GomesBolt - 2012-10-24 4:06 PM Don't take this as me defending Ann Coulter, but this kind of talk (insulting each other without specific call for it) has been around for our Country's entire history and is allowed under Freedom of Speech. This article is a great summary of the fact that saying stupid @$%* like Ann Coulter said is as American as apple pie. From the article: Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman." In return, Adams' men called Vice President Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."Nobody has said it shouldn't be allowed. Nobody here is talking about banning the word. I may be wrong, if so, I apologize, but I think Bikergirrl specifically said words like this should be unlearned and never spoken. (ETA- Your correction negates the purpose of most of this post, carry on...) Again, I'm not defending Ann Coulter any more than I am Ed Schultz by pointing this out, but using nasty words to describe political opponents is the stuff of American political media and always has been. I wish she'd called him a donkey or a drooling baby instead of the choice of words she used. I do wish she would go spend some time with a family that has to deal with a child with severe intellectual disabilities before she uses the word again.
Edited by GomesBolt 2012-10-24 4:21 PM |
| 2012-10-24 4:26 PM in reply to: #4467738 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter GomesBolt - 2012-10-24 4:06 PM Don't take this as me defending Ann Coulter, but this kind of talk (insulting each other without specific call for it) has been around for our Country's entire history and is allowed under Freedom of Speech. This article is a great summary of the fact that saying stupid @$%* like Ann Coulter said is as American as apple pie. From the article: Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman." In return, Adams' men called Vice President Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."She can say it til she' blue in the face for all I care. Because every time she does people will criticize her for doing so and she'll lose that much more credibility. Well, if she has any left whatsoever. So where are you guys getting that people are saying the word should be `banned' or shouldn't be `allowed under Freedom of Speech.' Nobody's saying that. People are just saying it's reprehensible. Which it is. |
| 2012-10-24 4:30 PM in reply to: #4467759 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter GomesBolt - 2012-10-24 4:20 PM crowny2 - 2012-10-24 5:08 PM GomesBolt - 2012-10-24 4:06 PM Don't take this as me defending Ann Coulter, but this kind of talk (insulting each other without specific call for it) has been around for our Country's entire history and is allowed under Freedom of Speech. This article is a great summary of the fact that saying stupid @$%* like Ann Coulter said is as American as apple pie. From the article: Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman." In return, Adams' men called Vice President Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."Nobody has said it shouldn't be allowed. Nobody here is talking about banning the word. I may be wrong, if so, I apologize, but I think Bikergirrl specifically said words like this should be unlearned and never spoken. (ETA- Your correction negates the purpose of most of this post, carry on...) Again, I'm not defending Ann Coulter any more than I am Ed Schultz by pointing this out, but using nasty words to describe political opponents is the stuff of American political media and always has been. I wish she'd called him a donkey or a drooling baby instead of the choice of words she used. I do wish she would go spend some time with a family that has to deal with a child with severe intellectual disabilities before she uses the word again.
She may have said that (I dont have the energy to go look) but there's a HUGE difference between saying they shouldn't be spoken and saying they should be banned. The implication of banning a word or not giving it protection under freedom of speech is that it's illegal and one can be punished for saying it. Nobody is even thinking that, as far as I can tell. It's just something people shouldn't teach and should be eliminated from one's vocabulary. Just like any other slur. |
| 2012-10-24 4:30 PM in reply to: #4467596 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter BikerGrrrl - 2012-10-24 4:04 PM The problem here is that Ann Coulter actually thinks it's okay to throw about the word and has done it repeatedly! This is the sort of word that needs to be unlearned and until people who should know better understand the impact of using it, and stop saying it, they need to be reminded. Would any of you actually defend her if she called Obama the n-word? THIS IS NOT DIFFERENT. Simply, retarded as a derogatory term is still sort of "up and coming." If a person who is directly impacted by a word tells me I should stop using it, I think I should take them very seriously. Here.
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| 2012-10-24 4:36 PM in reply to: #4467759 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter GomesBolt - 2012-10-24 3:20 PM crowny2 - 2012-10-24 5:08 PM GomesBolt - 2012-10-24 4:06 PM Don't take this as me defending Ann Coulter, but this kind of talk (insulting each other without specific call for it) has been around for our Country's entire history and is allowed under Freedom of Speech. This article is a great summary of the fact that saying stupid @$%* like Ann Coulter said is as American as apple pie. From the article: Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman." In return, Adams' men called Vice President Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."Nobody has said it shouldn't be allowed. Nobody here is talking about banning the word. I may be wrong, if so, I apologize, but I think Bikergirrl specifically said words like this should be unlearned and never spoken. (ETA- Your correction negates the purpose of most of this post, carry on...) Again, I'm not defending Ann Coulter any more than I am Ed Schultz by pointing this out, but using nasty words to describe political opponents is the stuff of American political media and always has been. I wish she'd called him a donkey or a drooling baby instead of the choice of words she used. I do wish she would go spend some time with a family that has to deal with a child with severe intellectual disabilities before she uses the word again.
There you go...now donkey ranchers and teething babies are going to be offended! |
| 2012-10-24 5:31 PM in reply to: #4467775 |
Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter mr2tony - 2012-10-24 5:30 PM GomesBolt - 2012-10-24 4:20 PM She may have said that (I dont have the energy to go look) but there's a HUGE difference between saying they shouldn't be spoken and saying they should be banned. The implication of banning a word or not giving it protection under freedom of speech is that it's illegal and one can be punished for saying it. Nobody is even thinking that, as far as I can tell. It's just something people shouldn't teach and should be eliminated from one's vocabulary. Just like any other slur. crowny2 - 2012-10-24 5:08 PM GomesBolt - 2012-10-24 4:06 PM Don't take this as me defending Ann Coulter, but this kind of talk (insulting each other without specific call for it) has been around for our Country's entire history and is allowed under Freedom of Speech. This article is a great summary of the fact that saying stupid @$%* like Ann Coulter said is as American as apple pie. From the article: Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman." In return, Adams' men called Vice President Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."Nobody has said it shouldn't be allowed. Nobody here is talking about banning the word. I may be wrong, if so, I apologize, but I think Bikergirrl specifically said words like this should be unlearned and never spoken. (ETA- Your correction negates the purpose of most of this post, carry on...) Again, I'm not defending Ann Coulter any more than I am Ed Schultz by pointing this out, but using nasty words to describe political opponents is the stuff of American political media and always has been. I wish she'd called him a donkey or a drooling baby instead of the choice of words she used. I do wish she would go spend some time with a family that has to deal with a child with severe intellectual disabilities before she uses the word again.
A) To ban is to banish, it does noe need to be legally outlawed to be banished. The n-word is effectively banished the vocabulary of a segment of the population without it being legally outlawed. If you banish, legally or no, the word retatd something meaning the same thing will simply replace it. Retarded used to be a clinical term encompassing intellectually slow eg retarded growth or intellectual capacity. It has since morphed into a derogatory term as more detailed descriptors have come along. Would it have been any more acceptable for AC to call Obama intellectually slow, deficient, or challenged? How about if she called him " short bus special"? There are many euphemisms to describe someone one thinks is intellectually deficient. Most of those have to do with a comparison to groups of people who through no fault of their own are less intellectually capable, quick, whatever term you want to use, than the average. Those comparisons will persist regardless of what term is used. I would bet most on here have used one or more variation at some point in the past to describe people they think are stupid; including the word stupid or dumb which, actually means incapable of speech. So until you manage to banish the thought the particular word or phrase used is pretty much irrelevant. |
| 2012-10-24 6:01 PM in reply to: #4467542 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter trinnas - 2012-10-24 3:38 PM ... What ever happened to sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me? This is a tempest in a teapot. It was an excellent letter though. That is one of the classic parent lies (along with "we love all our children equally" and "If you just tell us the truth, you won't be in trouble"). Don't believe it? Next time a parent says to a kid "sticks and stones...", imagine what would happen if you said to the parent "Man, that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard! You are really a dumb b***" - and watch the fireworks. Words matter. If they didn't, the right would have tried to paint the ACA in a bad light by calling it "Obamacare", and the left wouldn't have tried to diminish Bush II by calling him "shrub". |
| 2012-10-24 7:46 PM in reply to: #4467208 |
Master 2447 White Oak, Texas | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter I hope and believe she will get the point well said. |
| 2012-10-24 7:54 PM in reply to: #4467208 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: An open letter to Ann Coulter I'm actually more suprised anyone spent more than ten seconds of their time on Ann Coulter. |
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