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ISTJ11 Votes - [8.53%]
ISFJ6 Votes - [4.65%]
INFJ10 Votes - [7.75%]
INTJ31 Votes - [24.03%]
ISTP8 Votes - [6.2%]
ISFP0 Votes - [0%]
INFP4 Votes - [3.1%]
INTP8 Votes - [6.2%]
ESTP0 Votes - [0%]
ESFP3 Votes - [2.33%]
ENFP5 Votes - [3.88%]
ENTP9 Votes - [6.98%]
ESTJ9 Votes - [6.98%]
ESFJ4 Votes - [3.1%]
ENFJ8 Votes - [6.2%]
ENTJ11 Votes - [8.53%]
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2007-03-29 9:23 AM
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Renee - 2007-03-29 9:13 AM Back to the test, though. In addition to representing Facade and True Self, it measured the stress caused by the gap between Facade and True Self (the greater the gap between being yourself and being who you think you need to be in your given situation/work environment, the greater the stress). It also measured Energy Reserve Level (ERL) - your ability to tolerate stress. The higher the ERL, the greater the ability to tolerate the stress caused by the gap between Facade and True Self. The lower the ERL, the lower the ability to sustain a Facade either under stress or over time.

And the jaw hits the floor....

Whoa.



2007-03-29 9:25 AM
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I've taken this test a couple of times.  Always end up ISTJ, although about 60-40 on the I/E and S/N attributes. 
2007-03-29 9:30 AM
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Bill - 2007-03-29 10:21 AM

Well that makes perfect sense Renee.  That's some seriously insightful stuff.  Thank you.

Entirely my pleasure, Bill! This is my favorite topic which makes TOTAL sense given this assertion about INTJs -  "Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense."

I've spent a lot of energy and time trying to make sense of people and the MB and other tests have helped me understand myself and others (along with learning about Buddhism).



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robin314159 - 2007-03-29 9:32 AM

Here are the results so far:

Rationals (NT) value competence and intelligence. They strive to learn, know, predict, and control the resources in their environment.

Artistans - 6 votes - or 8%
Guardians - 11 votes - or 15%
Idealists - 14 votes - or 20%
Rationals - 40 votes - or 56% !

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44 of us are introverted. Or 62%
27 of us are extroverted. Or 38%


Excellent analysis of the data ... this is very interesting to see that the majority of us exhibit like behaviors. This makes perfect sense for triathletes due to the nature of the sport. A solitary sport with tremendous overachieving goals that takes a mastery of three sports. So much trial an error goes into training your body to avoid injuries, figuring out your nutritional needs, selecting the right equipment ... it takes a level of dedication and analysis that is uncommon in society.

I feel much better that I have found such great company in my BT buddies!
2007-03-29 9:34 AM
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Renee - 2007-03-29 6:59 AM

robin314159 - 2007-03-29 9:49 AM

Thanks for the link on the Australian survey. I'd be much more interested in a survey of an American audience (I've looked in the past, but haven't found one.)



I'm finding less reliable stuff like : http://www.infj.org/archive/typestats.html

Obviously, I still need to research this. But the (perhaps questionable) assumption I was making was that personality type is influenced as much by one's culture as one's genes. If it was purely genetic, saying "majority on INTJ's are male" would be as ridiculous as saying "most red heads are male."

But not so. Many women still are not / have not been encouraged, either by parents or peers, to be driven to value rational intuitive thought above all else (above other's feelings). Likewise, many men are not encouraged to be empathetic and sensitive to others.
2007-03-29 9:36 AM
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oops and i've been missing everything you've been saying (renee)!


2007-03-29 9:42 AM
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robin314159 - 2007-03-29 10:34 AM 

I'm finding less reliable stuff like : http://www.infj.org/archive/typestats.htmlObviously, I still need to research this. But the (perhaps questionable) assumption I was making was that personality type is influenced as much by one's culture as one's genes. If it was purely genetic, saying "majority on INTJ's are male" would be as ridiculous as saying "most red heads are male." But not so.

Many women still are not / have not been encouraged, either by parents or peers, to be driven to value rational intuitive thought above all else (above other's feelings). Likewise, many men are not encouraged to be empathetic and sensitive to others.

You hit the nail on the head - from what I learned of the Australian culture, fine though it is, leads me to be skeptical regarding the valid representation in the survey.

A good test or survey will get at a person's true persona. As you say, some women have not be encouraged to value rational thought even if that is their natural disposition. My conclusion is that rational women might suppress the expression of rational thought when taking these tests - and so the test does not accurately reflect the accurate distribution of personality types. Likewise, men who take the test might suppress their true emoting personalities if they feel they will risk social endorsement by doing so. In other words, both genders can cheat the tests if they feel it is risky to truly express their natures.

2007-03-29 9:47 AM
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Renee - 2007-03-29 7:42 AM

p>A good test or survey will get at a person's true persona. As you say, some women have not be encouraged to value rational thought even if that is their natural disposition. My conclusion is that rational women might suppress the expression of rational thought when taking these tests - and so the test does not accurately reflect the accurate distribution of personality types. Likewise, men who take the test might suppress their true emoting personalities if they feel they will risk social endorsement by doing so. In other words, both genders can cheat the tests if they feel it is risky to truly express their natures.



Do you think a person's nature is somethign they are stuck with? If I am a rational woman who most dearly would like to be sensitive and empathetic, can't I effectively become that, and stomp out rational tendencies? Or am I always secretly goign to be a rational, posing?
2007-03-29 9:51 AM
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Renee - 2007-03-29 10:42 AM

In other words, both genders can cheat the tests if they feel it is risky to truly express their natures.



I would have to think that overall people are being truthful to themselves when they take the tests. Moreso on these than when you took the drug and alcohol survey in high school! Even so you can use some fancy math to exclude a certain margin of error and determine some trends with the data. You do have a valid point though of what peoples motivation is for taking the test and what mindset they are in. Are they testing to what they really feel ... or what they think other people would want to see in them???
2007-03-29 9:52 AM
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2007-03-29 9:57 AM
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grit_nugget - 2007-03-29 10:51 AM
Renee - 2007-03-29 10:42 AM In other words, both genders can cheat the tests if they feel it is risky to truly express their natures.

 

I would have to think that overall people are being truthful to themselves when they take the tests. Moreso on these than when you took the drug and alcohol survey in high school! Even so you can use some fancy math to exclude a certain margin of error and determine some trends with the data. You do have a valid point though of what peoples motivation is for taking the test and what mindset they are in. Are they testing to what they really feel ... or what they think other people would want to see in them???

Ah, well I would like to think that people are truthful too! I have administered tests to many people that I considered hiring and have been surprised how many times people freely and openly express skepticism about the test and that 'you can cheat any test.' I was surprised by their imprudent candor.

Please note that I said "a good test" will get at the true nature. Also, a good test will measure how consistent the answers are and report that measurement, along with the outcomes.



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robin314159 - 2007-03-29 10:47 AM
Do you think a person's nature is somethign they are stuck with? If I am a rational woman who most dearly would like to be sensitive and empathetic, can't I effectively become that, and stomp out rational tendencies? Or am I always secretly goign to be a rational, posing?


Why fight it? You are who you were meant to be. I think on average people dont change behaviors like that. You can quit a habit ... smoking, caffeine, biting your nails ... but saying 'I want to quit being so rational and be a free wheeling spontaneous hippie' ... madness I tell you, madness.
2007-03-29 10:01 AM
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robin314159 - 2007-03-29 10:47 AM
Do you think a person's nature is somethign they are stuck with? If I am a rational woman who most dearly would like to be sensitive and empathetic, can't I effectively become that, and stomp out rational tendencies? Or am I always secretly goign to be a rational, posing?


Why fight it? You are who you were meant to be. I think on average people dont change behaviors like that. You can quit a habit ... smoking, caffeine, biting your nails ... but saying 'I want to quit being so rational and be a free wheeling spontaneous hippie' ... madness I tell you, madness.


Well, I mean - more in the development of a person, in the formative years. I would think there is a certain amount of play for a person to turn out one way or antoher, based on how they are influenced. ANd that there is not some One True Identity that they must stumble upon.

Maybe this is a topic for a different thread. Determinism vs. free-will....

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robin314159 - 2007-03-29 10:47 AM

Do you think a person's nature is somethign they are stuck with? If I am a rational woman who most dearly would like to be sensitive and empathetic, can't I effectively become that, and stomp out rational tendencies? Or am I always secretly goign to be a rational, posing?

Ok, I need to first say I AM NOT A SCIENTIST.  Lay person here - overzealous user, you might say. So, take my words with a salt block.  Two Three things:

  1. I have read that our basic natures are pretty much set/determined by the time we reach the age of 3-5. 
  2. Being rational and empathetic are not mutually exclusive. You can feel empathic towards someone but still make rational decisions about that person/relationship. You might need to learn to soften your words (this has been my great challenge in life!) if it's important to you to broaden your appeal or not intimidate others. The wonderful thing is that you can learn to communicate in a less direct (or to other people 'abrupt') manner. I believe the key to adjusting your behavior is to see any specific behavior on a continuum, rather than as an On/Off proposition.
  3. Any strength overplayed becomes a weakness. So, don't overplay your directness - dial it down when appropriate. It doesn't mean you're changing your nature to do so - it means you are developing emotional intelligence.

 



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I'm an INFJ and have been every time I take the test. 
2007-03-29 10:40 AM
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Whizzzzz - 2007-03-29 9:52 AM

ENFP
Warmly enthusiastic and imaginative. See life as full of possibilities. Make connections between events and information very quickly, and confidently proceed based on the patterns they see. Want a lot of affirmation from others, and readily give appreciation and support. Spontaneous and flexible, often rely on their ability to improvise and their verbal fluency.

I've generally embraced my P-ness. Laughing Wink

ENFPs UNITE!

This was an interesting re-test for me. I haven't taken the Myers-Briggs in nearly 15 years and I was a middle schooler then! At the time, I was an off-the-charts ENFP but now have moderated, especially in my E-ness. I don't necessarily require the presence of other people to gather my energy. Hence, the solitary nature of triathlon hasn't bothered me at all.

Speaking of P-ness, I had one of my most embarassing moments ever using the term P-ness. It was a corporate management training that combined a lot of the different personality type systems. We happened to be talking about J vs P. I was using the example of my wife and me (very J and P respectively) and said something about my "P-ness" and may even have used an adjective to describe its extreme nature. It freaking brought down the house - totally unintentionally. Its extraordinarily hard to embarass me but this one had me glowing red from toes to nose.



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Renee - 2007-03-29 8:06 AM

Ok, I need to first say I AM NOT A SCIENTIST.  Lay person here - overzealous user, you might say. So, take my words with a salt block.  Two Three things:

  1. I have read that our basic natures are pretty much set/determined by the time we reach the age of 3-5. 
  2. Being rational and empathetic are not mutually exclusive. You can feel empathic towards someone but still make rational decisions about that person/relationship. You might need to learn to soften your words (this has been my great challenge in life!) if it's important to you to broaden your appeal or not intimidate others. The wonderful thing is that you can learn to communicate in a less direct (or to other people 'abrupt') manner. I believe the key to adjusting your behavior is to see any specific behavior on a continuum, rather than as an On/Off proposition.
  3. Any strength overplayed becomes a weakness. So, don't overplay your directness - dial it down when appropriate. It doesn't mean you're changing your nature to do so - it means you are developing emotional intelligence.

 



Good points. You give me some stuff to think on.

I would like to point out that my "If I was a rational woman" statement was hypothetical. But truly I can relate to what you are saying about being overly direct. I guess the jury is still out as to whether I'm T or F. I voted INFJ for this one, because ultimately I think my feelings hold more weight in my decision making process. And I care about others' feelings, and harmony between people. However, my job, peers, and education have cultivated the INTJ in me more.

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Never done one of these before, so I took the quiz.  I'm an INTP.   Funny thing is, I followed a link about "career types for INTP" and it had my current career as one of the top choices.
2007-03-29 10:57 AM
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Your Type is
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IntrovertedIntuitiveFeelingJudging
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33253856

 

It seemed about 90% on the money.

2007-03-29 11:04 AM
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Me and Oprah! 

ENFJ

ExtravertedIntuitiveFeelingJudging
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Looks like I could be an ENFP on a different day.

 

 

2007-03-29 11:16 AM
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ISTJ.  Looks like I am in the wrong profession...


2007-03-29 11:17 AM
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ENTP here.

Extraverted Intuitive Thinking Perceiving

22 38 38 22

slightly expressed extravert

moderately expressed intuitive personality

moderately expressed thinking personality

slightly expressed perceiving personality

The description, especially from the 2nd site seemed mostly on. The is the 1st time I've done one of these. One little interesting thing - I'd always considered myself somewhat introverted, alot of my friends would call me somewhat quiet. And then I got a job working at the front desk at a hotel and I was shocked that I liked it so much, mainly just because of all the interaction with different people.
2007-03-29 11:29 AM
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ENTJ for me.
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Interesting. I would have flip flopped Intuitive vs Thinking if asked rather than tested. All else is pretty accurate.
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robin314159 - 2007-03-29 11:42 AM

I would like to point out that my "If I was a rational woman" statement was hypothetical.


I got a great laugh out of this one!
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