Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) (Page 31)

Hideous is the thought that come to mind. We were cleaning out some crap from the attic last night and found an old box of pictures. There may be some more #tbt photos that'll make you cringe.

What the ell was I thinking in my youth?!?!

Good to hear from ya!  Sorry your HM wasn't quite the race you were hoping for, but it's hard to control our bodies rebeling against us via cramping.  A finisher's beer sounds like a great way to celebrate with your family!

Manatees, please keep my good friend K in your thoughts.  I've mentioned her before, but she's had some further negative developments.  She's had 2 surgeries for oral cancer in the past month, the latest to remove all the lymph nodes in her neck.  Of the 23, one came back positive so she has to have radiation and possibly chemo.  She's in her early 40's and has a young son and a mostly emotionally absent partner.  I'm so scared for her.  Thanks, friends.

Good thoughts for K, Matt TX's mom, Melanie's dad, and any other Manatee Friends or Family that need it.  (and our DL but that goes without saying!)

Ugh. I am so sorry everyone. Effing eff cancer.

Yes ^^^^ this.  

As Janyne said, good thoughts to your friend (and an elbow to the ribs of her husband in the hopes that he mans up...), Matt's mom, Melanie's dad.  

Piling on! Cancer sucks.

Mary, your friend is in my thoughts and prayers, as are you and all those in her life. The far reaching aspect of illness really sucks as well.

That sounds awful, Mary.  I'll keep K in my thoughts.

Yes indeed.  It certainly sucks and is very, very difficult for those directly and indirectly affected.

On the flip side, there is also more hope than ever before with incredible advances in treatments.  Thoughts and prayers for these people and their families.

Sounds like what I say in my head every time I take Dad for treatments and look around the waiting room and/or the treatment room and see SO MANY people; young, middle-aged, old, all walks of life, races and religions.  It often boggles my mind, seeing its wide impact.  It's a friggin' evil disease.

Prayers that your friend's situation improves from both a medical and support standpoint, Mary.  She has you for a friend, so that alone is very helpful, knowing you are there for her where her partner may not be.  Often times things we feel are small, insignificant gestures mean the world to someone who is going through tough times.

Originally posted by fortissimo Just got home from Maui a few hours ago. I really hate overnight flights. Had a great time in a beautiful place. We took my 70 y/o mom with us and met my sister, BIL, and niece. There was a strong surf advisory due to a storm that had come from New Zealand and lifeguards were actually telling people not to go in the water unless they knew what they were doing. One guard even said, "Please don't go in if you don't know what you're doing. I really don't want to go in after you!" Hey, at least he was honest! While I really love my mom, she can drive me crazy. The entire flight over she kept asking why I had such a horrible race. While on the island with every bite of food I put in my mouth she would say, "Do you know how many miles you're going to have to run to burn that off?" or "Before you eat that make sure you think about how far you're going to have to ride your bike" or "how many laps is that going to take to burn off?" Didn't matter what I ate, fruit, salad, fish tacos, ice cream. She also walks really fast and I don't. I like to take in the sights. So that meant I heard a lot of, "If you were in better shape you could have done better on your race. I'm in better shape than you." But, she had a blast and loved everything we did so it was worth every comment she made. Now I get to figure out how to ride my bike again. Not sure how productive it will be on a few hours sleep on a plane, but hey, I have to burn off those calories I consumed, right?

Kudos to you for seemingly having patience with your mother's comments, yikes!  You know, you could've done laps up and down the concourse at the airport to make up for all those horrible things you ate while you were there (tongue in cheek).  Good luck with the bike!

Good for him! There can be some serious competition at that race and setting the record would show the performance regardless of that.

Every time this race comes up now I keep thinking back to here when Chris Siemers won it. He was another runner on the Strands team back then, like Sayenko was. He wanted a solid mountain race to do and picked that one. I'm not sure he really knew how hard the competition was that year beforehand (it was the qualifier for Worlds) and then he wins the thing! It was fun discussing the course beforehand with him. I hadn't run it, but had scouted it well for the Newton's Revenge ride (actual event rained out for me though). It's only more recently I've been learning just how good so many of the other guys in that race were.

Another thing to note is the placement of Jeffery Eggleston (another Strands runner at the time) and a bit how uphill running like that can have some difference from flats. I'm guessing something else may have slowed him down some too, but that's a notable gap off the front. He was running 2:11-2:12 marathons at the time whereas Siemers PR was like 2:21 then. For others, this is the same Eggleston as part of the Boston group where Meb won. And that a good time estimate for Mt Washington is your half marathon time (for a 7.6 mile run).

Yeah, it's a heck of a race. Joe is extremely talented. And I think a little unique in his ability to continue to run pretty damn solid times on the track in addition to the mountain stuff and he can do shorter distance as well as long. His win actually makes it two consecutive now but he's been in the mix for a long time. I kind of see Sage Canaday similarly but he may be a little less talented. He just missed the Olympic Trials Qualifier in the LA marathon. 

So in my RR for my past race, Joe is the one I reference as the male course record holder (32:39.) So, a little over 10 minutes faster than I. I didn't have the energy to extrapolate that...and it probably doesn't really truly tell me anything other than that Joe is really, really fast

I always forget you know Sayenko. How do you know him again?

A few years back an investment group called Strands decided to get into the fitness market and put together a fitness tracking website and an elite run team. The website set up more for the logs than forum chatting like BT is. More like Facebook than this in that you friended people and their workout posts showed up in your feed, and people could comment and discuss things there. They had thousands of people join in on the site. The elite team they sponsored tended to be more highlighted and some of the runners could get over 5,000 people following them. And it was in here that we could follow along with what they did and comment/discuss things with them. Most of the time people just put things like "awesome" or "amazing". The people on the forum were all over the place in ability, just like anywhere else.

The runners on this team were amazing. The guys tended to have a VDOt in the high 70's, some mid 70's. A 5k pr of 14:00 +/-:20 was normal for this group. Get to follow them chasing Olympic marathon trials qualifying time, and expecting to get them. I don't remember the guys actually making the Olympics, but just the thought of being good enough to run at the trials! They had guys like Eggleston and Nick Arciniaga on there, two of the guys Ryan Hall talked with at Boston. Don't know why I didn't follow them more. They actually had a Strands crew based in Oregon for a bit. A handful of these runners worked for Strands in an office out in Oregon. On the women's side they actually did have some who had been in the Olympics. Like Elva Dryer. Kate O'Neill went as an alternate.

Something that really stood out was the respect and humility that they all showed. Much like what your teammate Joseph has. Really wish I knew what I knew now back then. Was only just getting started so a lot of what they were doing was over my head.

Originally posted by fortissimo Just got home from Maui a few hours ago. I really hate overnight flights. Had a great time in a beautiful place. We took my 70 y/o mom with us and met my sister, BIL, and niece. There was a strong surf advisory due to a storm that had come from New Zealand and lifeguards were actually telling people not to go in the water unless they knew what they were doing. One guard even said, "Please don't go in if you don't know what you're doing. I really don't want to go in after you!" Hey, at least he was honest! While I really love my mom, she can drive me crazy. The entire flight over she kept asking why I had such a horrible race. While on the island with every bite of food I put in my mouth she would say, "Do you know how many miles you're going to have to run to burn that off?" or "Before you eat that make sure you think about how far you're going to have to ride your bike" or "how many laps is that going to take to burn off?" Didn't matter what I ate, fruit, salad, fish tacos, ice cream. She also walks really fast and I don't. I like to take in the sights. So that meant I heard a lot of, "If you were in better shape you could have done better on your race. I'm in better shape than you." But, she had a blast and loved everything we did so it was worth every comment she made. Now I get to figure out how to ride my bike again. Not sure how productive it will be on a few hours sleep on a plane, but hey, I have to burn off those calories I consumed, right?

Ugh! Parents! Gotta love them though! I don't even like to tell them my weekend training plans. If Kevin is out of town, I'll email them my cue sheet in case of emergency but that's it.  I know they totally glaze over when I discuss training so I tend not to talk to them about it. I suppose that's better than at work where I get the "your f-ing crazy" look from some people.  (Ok, maybe I *am* slightly drain bamaged.)

I'm glad that the trip was good. Sorry about the beach closures.  That's a bummer.  At least no sharks.  They cancelled some swim events hear what withe people getting the arms bit off and stuff

So... after my runs the last few days let me as you this, do you track weather?  The dew point when I ran on Tuesday was 75 which is freakin' high.  The dew point when I ran yesterday was 66.  The temperature was similar but I did a 90 minute bike ride before my run yesterday and ran faster with significantly less effort. 

For me, fatigue makes everything slower, not 50/50.

This happens when you run or even just work your legs more and it's from cumulative fatigue. It's good to see you are getting up to speed ok eventually so it's likely you're not doing too much. Continual lack of rest or over doing the amount of work has tended to drag everything down for me though a single instance can lead to what you're seeing.

A more dedicated warm-up can help with this. I do some skips and kicks to get things firing up beforehand. These help get specific parts of the running motion actively firing up and include plenty of range of motion so that the entire act of running falls inside of the motion done here. Meaning when I actually start running I'm very ready to be running. The quality of the running goes up, though not the same as a "quality" effort, meaning hard running. The meaning here is just that the motion is better and easier.

Fatigue for me depends on how much. It can slow everything down when it's too much, it may also just have some more work to do before I'm ready to go. Weather tends to drag everything down completely. I'm just not able to go as fast. The latter parts can be worse from the added stress if the weather is bad enough, so nearing the reverse of what was described. If Sean went through exactly your example, I would expect his run on day 2 to feel better than day 1, but would also credit the 90 minute ride some as getting the legs active. A hard ride would change that, but I didn't see an indication of putting out a hard effort in it.