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Originally posted by el penguino Are you starting a new thread tomorrow for the new fortnight? I think I'll join in there, since it is the last day in this one.

I just wanted to say your username is awesome.  That's all.

That was my first thought too.

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Well, I have to change my weakness focus for this next period.  I had been focusing on increasing my running speed and I feel I made major progress (new PR) but I think I tweaked my tendon worse than I thought.  Last night I had an easy 6 mile run that turned into a nightmare.  I don't think I did any more damage but I really felt beatup.

I cannot continue with speed improvement until I regain some durability.  I'm going to keep runs short and easy while maintaining my running frequency.  This worked really well for me leading into my last base building period.  My diet has been a big weakness that I'm considering working on.  I don't want to start in on a swim focus until after the new year and I'm maintaining my cycling pretty well with my trainer sessions.  Maybe in addition to diet I should look at some injury prevention work.  Something that would strengthen or minimize my injury risk.  Back of lower leg has always been the culprit.  From my achilles tendon up through my calf.  Any suggestions?



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Subject: RE: Work your Weakness aka "Hey, Mike, STFU!" Challenge
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Originally posted by brigby1

In light of the SSS group picking up, feel like clarifying that the work on body position and kick I've been doing is not done at the expense of developing the catch. Everything is done through that and in concert with it. Anyone who reads the book should get that.

And Elesa, it's getting hard to remember who said what in which thread now!

Well, you certainly are swimming and biking a TON.  I am always amazed by your volume and intensity.  It's really impressive, Ben.

I know it's getting hard to keep track of the who said what where, but it seems like there's a good deal of cross-over with those of us who are trying to sort these technique things out.  That kinda warms my heart

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Speaking of which, I have a question for the group as I ponder my next weakness focus:

For the last month I have been biking 2-3 times a week, swimming 4-5x/week and running 4-5x/week.   In my mind, my top priorities are:

1) improving my swimming

2) easing back into running and building my base mileage (no Q workouts, all EZ)

3) maintaining (possibly building) cycling fitness

In a month, I will be leaving to go overseas for a month and I won't be able to bike while I'm there.  I do plan on trying to swim 3x/week and run 5-6x/week while I'm away.  In light of that, should I keep my cycling at 2-3x/week for the next month, bump it up to try to build some fitness knowing I'll lose some for the month, or scrap the cycling and really just focus on the swim and run until I get back mid January?

 


Switch if I remember rightly you said you are coming to Australia (near Adelaide) for Christmas, is that right?

Because of your leg I would suggest that you keep riding up until you leave and then maybe pick up some more easy runs while you are away. If it is here that you are coming then if you really wanted to could probably pick up a new mega cheapo hybrid bike at Kmart or Big W for under $100. It should last you a month.

We are in for a bit of a scorching summer so I would suggest some very cool run gear if you have it.
2013-11-15 7:33 PM
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Well, I have to change my weakness focus for this next period.  I had been focusing on increasing my running speed and I feel I made major progress (new PR) but I think I tweaked my tendon worse than I thought.  Last night I had an easy 6 mile run that turned into a nightmare.  I don't think I did any more damage but I really felt beatup.

I cannot continue with speed improvement until I regain some durability.  I'm going to keep runs short and easy while maintaining my running frequency.  This worked really well for me leading into my last base building period.  My diet has been a big weakness that I'm considering working on.  I don't want to start in on a swim focus until after the new year and I'm maintaining my cycling pretty well with my trainer sessions.  Maybe in addition to diet I should look at some injury prevention work.  Something that would strengthen or minimize my injury risk.  Back of lower leg has always been the culprit.  From my achilles tendon up through my calf.  Any suggestions?

Sorry Steve. That is really frustrating.

I think you are absolutely spot on in wanting to work on some injury prevention. I don't fully understand which area is "weak" and needs to be fixed but from what I understand, often an injury is due to a weakness in the opposite muscle group (which results in overcompensation.

So, in addition to recovering and strengthening the injured area, look into strengthening the opposite or supporting muscles as well. 

 

2013-11-15 7:42 PM
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Well, I have to change my weakness focus for this next period.  I had been focusing on increasing my running speed and I feel I made major progress (new PR) but I think I tweaked my tendon worse than I thought.  Last night I had an easy 6 mile run that turned into a nightmare.  I don't think I did any more damage but I really felt beatup.

I cannot continue with speed improvement until I regain some durability.  I'm going to keep runs short and easy while maintaining my running frequency.  This worked really well for me leading into my last base building period.  My diet has been a big weakness that I'm considering working on.  I don't want to start in on a swim focus until after the new year and I'm maintaining my cycling pretty well with my trainer sessions.  Maybe in addition to diet I should look at some injury prevention work.  Something that would strengthen or minimize my injury risk.  Back of lower leg has always been the culprit.  From my achilles tendon up through my calf.  Any suggestions?

Steve, I've never dealt with lower leg injuries so take the following with a grain of salt.  Often pain does not manifest where the injury/problem originates. If you're dealing with achilles pain, don't concentrate solely on the lower leg. You may need to be addressing something like tight hamstrings, which can aggravate the achilles. You'll probably get pretty good pain relief just from dropping the intensity and weekly run distance. Some general leg strengthening and stretching might be sufficient. I've also become a pretty big fan of single leg work.  Hopefully others can offer you more in the way of specific ideas. 



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I'm still working on improving diet, with modest success. In the spirit of finding a win....sometime in the next two weeks I'm going to get my arse back on the bike, do the dreaded 20 minute FTP test and start TR Intermediate Base. AND maintain my 20 mpw run. 

I'm sure I'll leave it to the last minute, but if I put it out there...it usually gets done. Hope everyone has a good weekend. 

2013-11-15 11:31 PM
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I'm still working on improving diet, with modest success. In the spirit of finding a win....sometime in the next two weeks I'm going to get my arse back on the bike, do the dreaded 20 minute FTP test and start TR Intermediate Base. AND maintain my 20 mpw run. 

I'm sure I'll leave it to the last minute, but if I put it out there...it usually gets done. Hope everyone has a good weekend. 

Nice! Are you going to get a few rides in before the test?

2013-11-16 5:54 AM
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OK, now it's officially tomorrow... wait, now its today!

anyways... (more coffee applied for more sense)

Name: Nancy

Previous Challenge Experience: None, I'm a newbie!

Weakness: Well, I've never actually done a tri, I'm training for next summer where I have lofty goals of a half marathon, a couple sprint tris and a slight possibility of a full marathon in the late fall. I twinged my hip a few weeks ago, so I took some time off and now I'm rebuilding my run mileage. So my goal is to run or walk every day. Working towards running 6 days a week. I'm also planning on doing the Runner's World idea of the Holiday Streak- running every day between Thanksgiving and New Years, including the holidays.

Apparently I could use another cup of coffee, I'm still kind of rambling.
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Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by kcarroll

I'm still working on improving diet, with modest success. In the spirit of finding a win....sometime in the next two weeks I'm going to get my arse back on the bike, do the dreaded 20 minute FTP test and start TR Intermediate Base. AND maintain my 20 mpw run. 

I'm sure I'll leave it to the last minute, but if I put it out there...it usually gets done. Hope everyone has a good weekend. 

Nice! Are you going to get a few rides in before the test?

That's the plan. What would you recommend? # rides, intensity etc that I get done prior to starting the program/testing. While I've been running consistently 6 days/week the last couple months I've lost my bike fitness gains from the summer. No riding at all the last few months. Last winter I spent too much time in Z2 on the trainer. I want to use TR to put structure/intensity into my trainer rides. Ive used TR and am insanely motivated to chase my output targets. 



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2013-11-16 7:07 AM
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Originally posted by popsracer

Well, I have to change my weakness focus for this next period.  I had been focusing on increasing my running speed and I feel I made major progress (new PR) but I think I tweaked my tendon worse than I thought.  Last night I had an easy 6 mile run that turned into a nightmare.  I don't think I did any more damage but I really felt beatup.

I cannot continue with speed improvement until I regain some durability.  I'm going to keep runs short and easy while maintaining my running frequency.  This worked really well for me leading into my last base building period.  My diet has been a big weakness that I'm considering working on.  I don't want to start in on a swim focus until after the new year and I'm maintaining my cycling pretty well with my trainer sessions.  Maybe in addition to diet I should look at some injury prevention work.  Something that would strengthen or minimize my injury risk.  Back of lower leg has always been the culprit.  From my achilles tendon up through my calf.  Any suggestions?

Shoot, Steve.  I'm so sorry!

The article that Kirsten posted has had me doing a bit additional research, and I'm committing to working my glutes and hips in an attempt to help relieve potential stress/injury triggers from my achilles and peroneals. You might want to look into that...

 



2013-11-16 7:15 AM
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Originally posted by brigby1

In light of the SSS group picking up, feel like clarifying that the work on body position and kick I've been doing is not done at the expense of developing the catch. Everything is done through that and in concert with it. Anyone who reads the book should get that.

And Elesa, it's getting hard to remember who said what in which thread now!

Well, you certainly are swimming and biking a TON.  I am always amazed by your volume and intensity.  It's really impressive, Ben.

I know it's getting hard to keep track of the who said what where, but it seems like there's a good deal of cross-over with those of us who are trying to sort these technique things out.  That kinda warms my heart :)

___________________________________________________

Speaking of which, I have a question for the group as I ponder my next weakness focus:

For the last month I have been biking 2-3 times a week, swimming 4-5x/week and running 4-5x/week.   In my mind, my top priorities are:

1) improving my swimming

2) easing back into running and building my base mileage (no Q workouts, all EZ)

3) maintaining (possibly building) cycling fitness

In a month, I will be leaving to go overseas for a month and I won't be able to bike while I'm there.  I do plan on trying to swim 3x/week and run 5-6x/week while I'm away.  In light of that, should I keep my cycling at 2-3x/week for the next month, bump it up to try to build some fitness knowing I'll lose some for the month, or scrap the cycling and really just focus on the swim and run until I get back mid January?

 

Switch if I remember rightly you said you are coming to Australia (near Adelaide) for Christmas, is that right? Because of your leg I would suggest that you keep riding up until you leave and then maybe pick up some more easy runs while you are away. If it is here that you are coming then if you really wanted to could probably pick up a new mega cheapo hybrid bike at Kmart or Big W for under $100. It should last you a month. We are in for a bit of a scorching summer so I would suggest some very cool run gear if you have it.

Good memory Stacey!  I hadn't thought about buying a cheap bike--that's something to consider.

Kind of an aside, but you might find it interesting.  My cousin (my stepmother's niece) is Amber Halliday.  Her accident has my entire Australian family a bit spooked about riding.  It has been remarkable to know someone who has performed for so long at the Worlds/Olympic level have their entire life changed in an instant by a cycling accident.  I think about her every time I ride.  It's why I'm not taking my bike :)  They probably have a bike I can borrow over there, but I may just need to get a pulse check on how everyone's feeling about riding.

I will definitely be packing light clothes.  I plan on being in a swimsuit for most of the holiday :)

2013-11-16 7:16 AM
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Originally posted by kcarroll

I'm still working on improving diet, with modest success. In the spirit of finding a win....sometime in the next two weeks I'm going to get my arse back on the bike, do the dreaded 20 minute FTP test and start TR Intermediate Base. AND maintain my 20 mpw run. 

I'm sure I'll leave it to the last minute, but if I put it out there...it usually gets done. Hope everyone has a good weekend. 

This is SO TRUE!

Great goals for the two weeks.  Keep us posted on that FTP test--good luck!

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Originally posted by el penguino OK, now it's officially tomorrow... wait, now its today! anyways... (more coffee applied for more sense) Name: Nancy Previous Challenge Experience: None, I'm a newbie! Weakness: Well, I've never actually done a tri, I'm training for next summer where I have lofty goals of a half marathon, a couple sprint tris and a slight possibility of a full marathon in the late fall. I twinged my hip a few weeks ago, so I took some time off and now I'm rebuilding my run mileage. So my goal is to run or walk every day. Working towards running 6 days a week. I'm also planning on doing the Runner's World idea of the Holiday Streak- running every day between Thanksgiving and New Years, including the holidays. Apparently I could use another cup of coffee, I'm still kind of rambling.

Welcome Nancy!

Those sound like excellent goals :) There are a few people in this group with extensive running experience who are very good at fielding questions if you find you have any.

 

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Yaaaay for road racing! Ran an 18:30 in my 5K today. More later
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Originally posted by Asalzwed Yaaaay for road racing! Ran an 18:30 in my 5K today. More later

Smokkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkin'.  Nice job.



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Yaaaay for road racing! Ran an 18:30 in my 5K today. More later
WOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOO way to go Salty.
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This fortnight I am working on my consistency and cutting down (out) sugar. The first step is no longer having 2 in my cup of tea.
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Originally posted by Asalzwed Yaaaay for road racing! Ran an 18:30 in my 5K today. More later

F n A.  That is AWESOME! So solid, my friend.

 

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Weakness focus for this period:

Strength: Continue focusing on strengthening exercises for glutes, hips, core and lower leg stability

Nutrition: Keep eating for fuel and recovery. Minimize consumption after 6pm.

Water: Drink it.  It appears (in the bowl) that I am not hydrated.

Lower leg injury/recovery: Getting my MRI, rolling, stretching, listening to my body, keeping runs at EZ or M pace, don't wear Danskos or other shoes that may be contributing to the problem, increase "running" time by incorporating some EFX instead of running (hopeful this will help it feel better while minimizing impact/injury aggravation.

Training: Really focus on keeping the easy ones easy and the hard ones hard.  Don't get sucked in :)

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Originally posted by AsalzwedYaaaay for road racing! Ran an 18:30 in my 5K today. More later
Nice work! I bet it was awesome to see that time across the finish.


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Weakness focus for this period:

Strength: Continue focusing on strengthening exercises for glutes, hips, core and lower leg stability

Nutrition: Keep eating for fuel and recovery. Minimize consumption after 6pm.

Water: Drink it.  It appears (in the bowl) that I am not hydrated.

Lower leg injury/recovery: Getting my MRI, rolling, stretching, listening to my body, keeping runs at EZ or M pace, don't wear Danskos or other shoes that may be contributing to the problem, increase "running" time by incorporating some EFX instead of running (hopeful this will help it feel better while minimizing impact/injury aggravation.

Training: Really focus on keeping the easy ones easy and the hard ones hard.  Don't get sucked in

Solid goals, yo
2013-11-16 9:59 PM
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Originally posted by AsalzwedYaaaay for road racing! Ran an 18:30 in my 5K today. More later
Nice work! I bet it was awesome to see that time across the finish.
Yeah! It was fun! Lots of good stories ill cover in my RR. But gotta shift focus to the next 4 weeks! Long run tomorrow before the Seahawks game.
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Well, I have to change my weakness focus for this next period.  I had been focusing on increasing my running speed and I feel I made major progress (new PR) but I think I tweaked my tendon worse than I thought.  Last night I had an easy 6 mile run that turned into a nightmare.  I don't think I did any more damage but I really felt beatup.

I cannot continue with speed improvement until I regain some durability.  I'm going to keep runs short and easy while maintaining my running frequency.  This worked really well for me leading into my last base building period.  My diet has been a big weakness that I'm considering working on.  I don't want to start in on a swim focus until after the new year and I'm maintaining my cycling pretty well with my trainer sessions.  Maybe in addition to diet I should look at some injury prevention work.  Something that would strengthen or minimize my injury risk.  Back of lower leg has always been the culprit.  From my achilles tendon up through my calf.  Any suggestions?




Sorry to hear about this, Steve. You have done pretty well with the progress, but when it comes at the price of an injury...well, you are right, in that you need to figure out why it recurs. Multipace training is great, but it is a big load. And a speedwork block has injury risk more than any other block.


It may be that you simply need a lot more time to recover than you think. I know when I was running in my late 40's compared to my early 40's, I had ice straped to my legs much more often. My knees ached all the time, my muscles were sore-ice helped to keep muscle swelling down, little minor ligament tweaks etc. After LR's and medLR's with intensity, I often had to take a modified ice bath, or I'd take 4 or 5 days to recover.

It may also be that you do some strength work on your legs. Stretching and strength are important because your muscles shorten a bit with a lot of running and that can even change your stride a little. I can tell when PF and ITB are acting up, but I've never had an achilles injury...

Perhaps the intensity load was just too much-too aggressive. Think about it and look at your log and try to come up with a logical answer, if you are able.

I hope that you recover quickly and get back out there soon.

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Originally posted by switch

Weakness focus for this period:

Strength: Continue focusing on strengthening exercises for glutes, hips, core and lower leg stability

Nutrition: Keep eating for fuel and recovery. Minimize consumption after 6pm.

Water: Drink it.  It appears (in the bowl) that I am not hydrated.

Lower leg injury/recovery: Getting my MRI, rolling, stretching, listening to my body, keeping runs at EZ or M pace, don't wear Danskos or other shoes that may be contributing to the problem, increase "running" time by incorporating some EFX instead of running (hopeful this will help it feel better while minimizing impact/injury aggravation.

Training: Really focus on keeping the easy ones easy and the hard ones hard.  Don't get sucked in




yeah, that's a good one for me too...
'minimize consumption after 6pm'

I'm adding that one
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