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Kim - for my trainer ride yesterday I watched "The Spirit of the Marathon" which features a bit about Katherine Switzer running the Boston Marathon in 1967 after registering using only her initials "K.V. Switzer." So it seems the precedent regarding how to deal with this sort of thing has been well established.

Just don't come crying here if the rigors of mountain biking causes your uterus to fall out.
(This is of course the "scientific" reasoning used to disallow women from racing distances of over 800 meters in the Olympics for so many years).

I wonder what are some of the crazy-@ss things we currently believe to be true that will seem completely ridiculous 50 years from now?

Fred - no idea if swimming is the trigger, or at least a contributor, but hopefully your test proves some things to you.  Question is, what if you're right?  Any thoughts on what you'll do at that point with your swimming.  (Not really a concern just yet since it's all theory).  But as others have said, I think you can get away with less on the swim side if it means you can ramp up your running again.

Rusty - don't worry.  Enough hate here for Chris and his pretty pictures as well....

i would email the RD and let them know you regularly crush the souls and destroy the dreams of men on a bike, and ask to be able to race the advanced.

but seriously, you really should be able to race what you want to race, provided it is not a USAC sanctioned event with true categories. in which case you would need a race license.

Fred, I'd keep swimming, but I'd use a pull buoy and as others said not push off.  At least people will know you're a triathlete then 

And I hate y'all too! 

Wow...the group hit a little spark.

Good training everyone...even if it's training with a major mechanical...LOL.

Chris - enjoy Disneyland.  Hopefully you're kids don't have any sporting events during the trip...otherwise you'd be a horrible parent and teaching you kids bad team values...hehehe.

Fred - I find that for triathletes, pushing off the wall is probably the most explosive movement we do.  So while it seems "non impact" on your joints, there definately is some muscle strain.  Add to the fact that you're doing it every 25 yards...and it adds up pretty quick.

I had a great ride yesterday.  I felt like I realized a small bump in my bike fitness from the miles I've been putting in the past 4-6 weeks.

Fred D - 2012-04-25 1:21 PM

bryancd - 2012-04-25 1:15 PM ..and no kick sets and no fins!

It's so funny when I think about it, I started devoting 300-500 yards a session to kick sets and was getting down to the mid 45s time range for a 50. Probably was the aggravator....

45's kicking or swimming??

Fred D - 2012-04-25 1:25 PM

Rudedog55 - 2012-04-25 1:24 PM

Fred D - 2012-04-25 1:21 PM

bryancd - 2012-04-25 1:15 PM ..and no kick sets and no fins!

It's so funny when I think about it, I started devoting 300-500 yards a session to kick sets and was getting down to the mid 45s time range for a 50. Probably was the aggravator....

 

45's kicking or swimming??

Kicking.

so what the heck are you swimming them in, i just did a 10x50 set of swimming and i was in the area of 45-46 per 50 SWIMMING on a 5 sec rest interval.  And i thought i was making progress, lol

Fred D - 2012-04-25 10:42 AM

Rudedog55 - 2012-04-25 1:41 PM

Fred D - 2012-04-25 1:25 PM

Rudedog55 - 2012-04-25 1:24 PM

Fred D - 2012-04-25 1:21 PM

bryancd - 2012-04-25 1:15 PM ..and no kick sets and no fins!

It's so funny when I think about it, I started devoting 300-500 yards a session to kick sets and was getting down to the mid 45s time range for a 50. Probably was the aggravator....

 

45's kicking or swimming??

Kicking.

 

so what the heck are you swimming them in, i just did a 10x50 set of swimming and i was in the area of 45-46 per 50 SWIMMING on a 5 sec rest interval.  And i thought i was making progress, lol

 

I'm no fish by any stretch, but fast ones are :35, moderate :41 or so and easy :45

At an easy :45 kick 50, yes, you are a fish.  at least on BT    I don't think I've ever kicked a :45 50.  I'm hard pressed to make a minute

Fred D - 2012-04-25 1:42 PM

Rudedog55 - 2012-04-25 1:41 PM

Fred D - 2012-04-25 1:25 PM

Rudedog55 - 2012-04-25 1:24 PM

Fred D - 2012-04-25 1:21 PM

bryancd - 2012-04-25 1:15 PM ..and no kick sets and no fins!

It's so funny when I think about it, I started devoting 300-500 yards a session to kick sets and was getting down to the mid 45s time range for a 50. Probably was the aggravator....

 

45's kicking or swimming??

Kicking.

 

so what the heck are you swimming them in, i just did a 10x50 set of swimming and i was in the area of 45-46 per 50 SWIMMING on a 5 sec rest interval.  And i thought i was making progress, lol

 

I'm no fish by any stretch, but fast ones are :35, moderate :41 or so and easy :45

I'm with Rudy - those are nice times.  :45 kick on a good day will get me 25yds (plus I'm done at the end of that).  I actually worked hard on my kick last winter and came away with nothing to really show for it in my overall swim times, and have since regressed back to where I was - a crappy kicker who avoids kick sets like the plague.

I'm looking at buying Sheila Taormina's book that Tom posted about in the Tri forum.  Also want to focus a lot over the next 5 weeks on swimming before my first Tri of the season.

I was happy when I got my time for a 100 kick under 3 minutes!   That is a good time Fred!

I used to rely on the pull buoy in my swim training way too much and I think it hurt my swim development for a couple of years.  Before I started with the lessons last summer, I spent some time getting respectable swimming without it.  It turns out it was really having a negative impact on my rotation in the water.  But one drill my swim coach likes to have me do a couple of hundred yards of as part of my drills is to put it between my calves or ankles.  It really forces the core to engage or your legs will sink. 

Fred, I don't think that missing a couple of weeks of swimming would set you back much at all, but if you want to swim some I agree that the PB is appropriate way to take the pressure off the Achilles along with not pushing off the wall. 

I think it takes me about 1:40ish to kick 50 yards.  I mean...sometimes I think I would be faster if I just pushed off really hard...get in a tight streamline, and eventually just drift to the other side of the pool rather than actually kicking.

I'm pretty sure I've never kicked 100 yards straight.

I think my biggest problem is ankle flexibility.  No matter how hard I try to point them, they still pretty much point down to the bottom of the pool.

By the way, if anyone is thinking about next year already and wants to try racing in Vegas, there's a post over on slowtwitch with a 50% off code for the Leadman 125 or 250 next April in Lake Mead.  I just raced there last weekend, absolutely gorgeous venue.  Can be hot, can be windy.  Check the race reports for this year's 125, it was pretty tough.  And a very hilly bike course. 

It's off distances to, 125 is 2.5K swim, 111K bike, 11Krun (all uphill).   250 doubles that.  But at $112 for the race and a $40 night at the Hacienda hotel just 3 minutes from the race site, you get a long course venue for $150.

Check the Oceanside 70.3 thread or PM me for the code..... I am thinking about this......

Here's my pre race pic from last weekend,  swim in that beautiful lake, climb those big mountains behind me