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 2013-04-12 12:47 PM in reply to: #4698027 |
Melon Presser  52116   |  Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSEDArtemis - 2013-04-13 12:41 AM TriAya - 2013-04-12 1:39 PM Artemis - 2013-04-13 12:37 AM DUDES! Cannondale is having a demo at my LBS on Sunday!! I haven't ordered my bike yet, so I can go and try a bunch of different ones! I'll probably end up loving the same one, but who can turn down RIDING NEW BIKES? Hot damn. I remember as an undergrad when we (meaning crazy nerd types, you might know the sort) were finished with finals we'd head out and test drive sports cars Now I'd sure rather ride new bikes!!! Me?! Know crazy nerdy types? Why, Yanti, whatever are you implying? Implying, nothing. I'm saying it straight out! |
| 2013-04-12 12:49 PM in reply to: #4697978 |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED 4agoodlife - 2013-04-12 10:09 AM bcraht - 2013-04-12 8:46 AM Erin, re swimming focus and breathing: I can tell you that focus on form is what makes me fast(er). If I try to go fast, it all falls apart and all I get is tired. Focus on form on Wed, I was cruising at under 2min/100, not even out of breath. If I stop the focus, I get more tired and end up above 2min. Breathing--when I first started swimming, I tried out a bunch of different rates. Every 2, every 3, every 4. I have come to breathe every 3 mostly, but if I need a breath at 2 I will take it, and sometime I go 4 if someone is passing. I worked on getting to bilateral, because it smoothes my stroke out, but that being said, I breathe when I need air. Hope this helps. Yes... Good info. I don't feel so alone When I went to Masters and the coach made me |
So when did you start working on breathing 3?
. So that was about 4 months into my tri-swimming training. And I agree with Yanti--I will do some sets where I only breathe to my weaker side--at this point, more because my stroke is 'weaker' to that side. What is that saying, "It's not supposed to be comfortable, that's where the growth happens".| 2013-04-12 12:53 PM in reply to: #4697994 |
Master 3870  | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED ArielLIlB - 2013-04-12 10:20 AM My breathing now is very comfortable and relaxed. I feel really good about it. Empty lungs in water, good breath when out. It's pushing the breath out faster, on a two count, that isn't natural and/or relaxed. It feels like a whole different skill even though it's the same thing! Lol4agoodlife - 2013-04-12 1:09 PM bcraht - 2013-04-12 8:46 AM Erin, re swimming focus and breathing: I can tell you that focus on form is what makes me fast(er). If I try to go fast, it all falls apart and all I get is tired. Focus on form on Wed, I was cruising at under 2min/100, not even out of breath. If I stop the focus, I get more tired and end up above 2min. Breathing--when I first started swimming, I tried out a bunch of different rates. Every 2, every 3, every 4. I have come to breathe every 3 mostly, but if I need a breath at 2 I will take it, and sometime I go 4 if someone is passing. I worked on getting to bilateral, because it smoothes my stroke out, but that being said, I breathe when I need air. Hope this helps. Yes... Good info. I don't feel so alone I breathe only right usually (I can do left but it's not a natural rhythm). As far as getting the breath out and in while your face is out, I was taught to breathe out under water so that when it's time to breathe you are just taking air in. Try to keep it very relaxed, when you are pushing out and gasping in (what I used to do) it is very frantic and gets your heart rate up unnecessarily. Try humming out underwater, it helps relax your mouth. |
| 2013-04-12 12:58 PM in reply to: #4698060 |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED 4agoodlife - 2013-04-12 10:53 AM ArielLIlB - 2013-04-12 10:20 AM My breathing now is very comfortable and relaxed. I feel really good about it. Empty lungs in water, good breath when out. It's pushing the breath out faster, on a two count, that isn't natural and/or relaxed. It feels like a whole different skill even though it's the same thing! Lol4agoodlife - 2013-04-12 1:09 PM bcraht - 2013-04-12 8:46 AM Erin, re swimming focus and breathing: I can tell you that focus on form is what makes me fast(er). If I try to go fast, it all falls apart and all I get is tired. Focus on form on Wed, I was cruising at under 2min/100, not even out of breath. If I stop the focus, I get more tired and end up above 2min. Breathing--when I first started swimming, I tried out a bunch of different rates. Every 2, every 3, every 4. I have come to breathe every 3 mostly, but if I need a breath at 2 I will take it, and sometime I go 4 if someone is passing. I worked on getting to bilateral, because it smoothes my stroke out, but that being said, I breathe when I need air. Hope this helps. Yes... Good info. I don't feel so alone I breathe only right usually (I can do left but it's not a natural rhythm). As far as getting the breath out and in while your face is out, I was taught to breathe out under water so that when it's time to breathe you are just taking air in. Try to keep it very relaxed, when you are pushing out and gasping in (what I used to do) it is very frantic and gets your heart rate up unnecessarily. Try humming out underwater, it helps relax your mouth. Why don't you try going every 5 strokes rather than 3? |
| 2013-04-12 1:01 PM in reply to: #4698068 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED bcraht - 2013-04-13 12:58 AM 4agoodlife - 2013-04-12 10:53 AM ArielLIlB - 2013-04-12 10:20 AM My breathing now is very comfortable and relaxed. I feel really good about it. Empty lungs in water, good breath when out. It's pushing the breath out faster, on a two count, that isn't natural and/or relaxed. It feels like a whole different skill even though it's the same thing! Lol4agoodlife - 2013-04-12 1:09 PM bcraht - 2013-04-12 8:46 AM Erin, re swimming focus and breathing: I can tell you that focus on form is what makes me fast(er). If I try to go fast, it all falls apart and all I get is tired. Focus on form on Wed, I was cruising at under 2min/100, not even out of breath. If I stop the focus, I get more tired and end up above 2min. Breathing--when I first started swimming, I tried out a bunch of different rates. Every 2, every 3, every 4. I have come to breathe every 3 mostly, but if I need a breath at 2 I will take it, and sometime I go 4 if someone is passing. I worked on getting to bilateral, because it smoothes my stroke out, but that being said, I breathe when I need air. Hope this helps. Yes... Good info. I don't feel so alone I breathe only right usually (I can do left but it's not a natural rhythm). As far as getting the breath out and in while your face is out, I was taught to breathe out under water so that when it's time to breathe you are just taking air in. Try to keep it very relaxed, when you are pushing out and gasping in (what I used to do) it is very frantic and gets your heart rate up unnecessarily. Try humming out underwater, it helps relax your mouth. Why don't you try going every 5 strokes rather than 3? So simple, so brilliant Another possibility is slow down EVEN MORE to where every 3 will work for you. Get that elbow pointing up underwater and pull harder. |
| 2013-04-12 1:06 PM in reply to: #4698048 |
Science Nerd 28760 Redwood City, California | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED TriAya - 2013-04-12 1:47 PM Artemis - 2013-04-13 12:41 AM TriAya - 2013-04-12 1:39 PM Artemis - 2013-04-13 12:37 AM DUDES! Cannondale is having a demo at my LBS on Sunday!! I haven't ordered my bike yet, so I can go and try a bunch of different ones! I'll probably end up loving the same one, but who can turn down RIDING NEW BIKES? Hot damn. I remember as an undergrad when we (meaning crazy nerd types, you might know the sort) were finished with finals we'd head out and test drive sports cars Now I'd sure rather ride new bikes!!! Me?! Know crazy nerdy types? Why, Yanti, whatever are you implying? Implying, nothing. I'm saying it straight out! Touche |
| 2013-04-12 2:02 PM in reply to: #4697146 |
Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED jobaxas - 2013-04-11 6:18 PM jmkizer - 2013-04-12 5:45 AM Muskrat37 - 2013-04-10 7:12 PM jobaxas - 2013-04-10 3:01 PM Dumb girl I went and swam on my own at a different pool and I realised the reason was I didn't want to bump into FB chick at squad. This morning Andrew put up his new personal training page on Facebook and I have hesitated to hit like coz I know she sees my likes (is that how it works?)Dammit. I have to confront the issue - I don't do confrontation You want I should do it for you? I have a lot of pent up frustration at my boss that I could take out on her for you... Or, we could be sneaky about it... I could start posting comments on your wall about how wonderful this Andrew guy / coach sounds... about how awesome it is that he is working with you, about how much your cycling is improving since you started working with Andrew. I'll just keep gushing about him... LOL Checking Jo's wall... Muskrat didn't need to do it - my neighbour and friend Tara posted straight away (she knows nothing about the situation) and sent it to her sister they want to use Andrew as a personal trainer too....he does a money back guarantee if after 120 days you haven't noticed significant improvments... A friend from the Macca site had his first PT with Andrew yesterday, he said it was great. She's going to be running for the hills (Florida) soon. No escaping it - not everyone thinks her ex is the d-bag she thinks he is. |
| 2013-04-12 2:13 PM in reply to: #4698180 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED Muskrat37 - 2013-04-13 2:02 AM jobaxas - 2013-04-11 6:18 PM jmkizer - 2013-04-12 5:45 AM Muskrat37 - 2013-04-10 7:12 PM jobaxas - 2013-04-10 3:01 PM Dumb girl I went and swam on my own at a different pool and I realised the reason was I didn't want to bump into FB chick at squad. This morning Andrew put up his new personal training page on Facebook and I have hesitated to hit like coz I know she sees my likes (is that how it works?)Dammit. I have to confront the issue - I don't do confrontation You want I should do it for you? I have a lot of pent up frustration at my boss that I could take out on her for you... Or, we could be sneaky about it... I could start posting comments on your wall about how wonderful this Andrew guy / coach sounds... about how awesome it is that he is working with you, about how much your cycling is improving since you started working with Andrew. I'll just keep gushing about him... LOL Checking Jo's wall... Muskrat didn't need to do it - my neighbour and friend Tara posted straight away (she knows nothing about the situation) and sent it to her sister they want to use Andrew as a personal trainer too....he does a money back guarantee if after 120 days you haven't noticed significant improvments... A friend from the Macca site had his first PT with Andrew yesterday, he said it was great. She's going to be running for the hills (Florida) soon. No escaping it - not everyone thinks her ex is the d-bag she thinks he is. BTW, if you're serious about KQing in the next 5 years, drop everything, hire gsmacleod (Shane) here on BT as a coach, and once again ... be willing to drop everything. Jorge Martinez is also excellent. If you're serious about KQing in the next 10 years, that would put you in a much more favorable age group. However, everyone else in your cohort will have gotten there, too, and it's only getting more competitive. |
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Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED |
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Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED Asalzwed - 2013-04-12 6:11 AM Yowza, went on the Sam Adams Brewery tour yesterday... by the end of the night I was in a drag bar, surrounded by drag queens and people who love them. Notably, a young man with a tattoo on the inside of his lip that said "eff you" that will be in the lovely cast of the Jerry Springer show on Monday. You just can't make this stuff up. I soooooo want to party with you! I ended up in a drag queen bar in Vancouver BC 1 night.. very, very fun. |
| 2013-04-12 2:21 PM in reply to: #4697731 |
Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED TriAya - 2013-04-12 7:47 AM Janyne, as to the MEDICAL FILM question ... while I do get some wetsuit neck rash, it's usually manageable. What really kills me is the neoprene cap strap chafe (and prior to my new Louis Garneau aero helmet, also helmet strap rash). Because you all know how fond I am of blinding pics of myself that make people go ARGH Anyway, I put waterproof medical film (waterproof bandage, but it's thin, totally clear, and very sticky ... mine was an English brand called Opsite Flexi-Fix) along my jawlines for IMNZ and NO CHAFE. It was still on after the bike! Ahhhhhh! That looks painful Edited by Muskrat37 2013-04-12 2:21 PM |
| 2013-04-12 2:22 PM in reply to: #4697929 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED Artemis - 2013-04-12 12:36 PM jmkizer - 2013-04-12 11:25 AM Racing Manatees!April 13-14 TJ - Baker to Vegas run on Saturday GO MANATEES!! There is tracking for my race, too, but I think you have to sign up at the expo. If we can track you, please post the info! |
| 2013-04-12 2:23 PM in reply to: #4697799 |
Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED jmkizer - 2013-04-12 8:25 AM Racing Manatees!April 13-14 TJ - Baker to Vegas run on Saturday Goooo Podmates... !!! |
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Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED 4agoodlife - 2013-04-12 1:53 PM ArielLIlB - 2013-04-12 10:20 AM My breathing now is very comfortable and relaxed. I feel really good about it. Empty lungs in water, good breath when out. It's pushing the breath out faster, on a two count, that isn't natural and/or relaxed. It feels like a whole different skill even though it's the same thing! Lol4agoodlife - 2013-04-12 1:09 PM bcraht - 2013-04-12 8:46 AM Erin, re swimming focus and breathing: I can tell you that focus on form is what makes me fast(er). If I try to go fast, it all falls apart and all I get is tired. Focus on form on Wed, I was cruising at under 2min/100, not even out of breath. If I stop the focus, I get more tired and end up above 2min. Breathing--when I first started swimming, I tried out a bunch of different rates. Every 2, every 3, every 4. I have come to breathe every 3 mostly, but if I need a breath at 2 I will take it, and sometime I go 4 if someone is passing. I worked on getting to bilateral, because it smoothes my stroke out, but that being said, I breathe when I need air. Hope this helps. Yes... Good info. I don't feel so alone I breathe only right usually (I can do left but it's not a natural rhythm). As far as getting the breath out and in while your face is out, I was taught to breathe out under water so that when it's time to breathe you are just taking air in. Try to keep it very relaxed, when you are pushing out and gasping in (what I used to do) it is very frantic and gets your heart rate up unnecessarily. Try humming out underwater, it helps relax your mouth. Do you completely empty your lungs before inhaling when you are running? |
| 2013-04-12 2:38 PM in reply to: #4698202 |
Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED TriAya - 2013-04-12 12:13 PM Muskrat37 - 2013-04-13 2:02 AM jobaxas - 2013-04-11 6:18 PM jmkizer - 2013-04-12 5:45 AM Muskrat37 - 2013-04-10 7:12 PM jobaxas - 2013-04-10 3:01 PM Dumb girl I went and swam on my own at a different pool and I realised the reason was I didn't want to bump into FB chick at squad. This morning Andrew put up his new personal training page on Facebook and I have hesitated to hit like coz I know she sees my likes (is that how it works?)Dammit. I have to confront the issue - I don't do confrontation You want I should do it for you? I have a lot of pent up frustration at my boss that I could take out on her for you... Or, we could be sneaky about it... I could start posting comments on your wall about how wonderful this Andrew guy / coach sounds... about how awesome it is that he is working with you, about how much your cycling is improving since you started working with Andrew. I'll just keep gushing about him... LOL Checking Jo's wall... Muskrat didn't need to do it - my neighbour and friend Tara posted straight away (she knows nothing about the situation) and sent it to her sister they want to use Andrew as a personal trainer too....he does a money back guarantee if after 120 days you haven't noticed significant improvments... A friend from the Macca site had his first PT with Andrew yesterday, he said it was great. She's going to be running for the hills (Florida) soon. No escaping it - not everyone thinks her ex is the d-bag she thinks he is. BTW, if you're serious about KQing in the next 5 years, drop everything, hire gsmacleod (Shane) here on BT as a coach, and once again ... be willing to drop everything. Jorge Martinez is also excellent. If you're serious about KQing in the next 10 years, that would put you in a much more favorable age group. However, everyone else in your cohort will have gotten there, too, and it's only getting more competitive. I am serious (but also realistic) - and will look at a coach based on my performance this year. The plan: If I can go 10:30 ish this year (while training on my own because I can't afford a coach) - I will hire a coach next year to shave off that last hour. Here is what I expect at this years race: Swim: 1 hour Bike : 5:30 (I think this is being conservative) Note: I rode a 6:15 without even trying hard last year...literally stopped at aid stations, chatted with the ladies...stopped on the road, rubbed my feet, I took my time. I was focused on nutrition and saving the legs on the hills (rode in the lowest gears) to save my legs for the run. Run: 4:00 (A 9:10 per min mile pace...I can easily run a sub 8:00 1/2 Marathon right now) What do you think - Good plan - or ignorant?
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| 2013-04-12 2:47 PM in reply to: #4698238 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED Muskrat37 - 2013-04-13 2:38 AM TriAya - 2013-04-12 12:13 PM Muskrat37 - 2013-04-13 2:02 AM jobaxas - 2013-04-11 6:18 PM jmkizer - 2013-04-12 5:45 AM Muskrat37 - 2013-04-10 7:12 PM jobaxas - 2013-04-10 3:01 PM Dumb girl I went and swam on my own at a different pool and I realised the reason was I didn't want to bump into FB chick at squad. This morning Andrew put up his new personal training page on Facebook and I have hesitated to hit like coz I know she sees my likes (is that how it works?)Dammit. I have to confront the issue - I don't do confrontation You want I should do it for you? I have a lot of pent up frustration at my boss that I could take out on her for you... Or, we could be sneaky about it... I could start posting comments on your wall about how wonderful this Andrew guy / coach sounds... about how awesome it is that he is working with you, about how much your cycling is improving since you started working with Andrew. I'll just keep gushing about him... LOL Checking Jo's wall... Muskrat didn't need to do it - my neighbour and friend Tara posted straight away (she knows nothing about the situation) and sent it to her sister they want to use Andrew as a personal trainer too....he does a money back guarantee if after 120 days you haven't noticed significant improvments... A friend from the Macca site had his first PT with Andrew yesterday, he said it was great. She's going to be running for the hills (Florida) soon. No escaping it - not everyone thinks her ex is the d-bag she thinks he is. BTW, if you're serious about KQing in the next 5 years, drop everything, hire gsmacleod (Shane) here on BT as a coach, and once again ... be willing to drop everything. Jorge Martinez is also excellent. If you're serious about KQing in the next 10 years, that would put you in a much more favorable age group. However, everyone else in your cohort will have gotten there, too, and it's only getting more competitive. I am serious (but also realistic) - and will look at a coach based on my performance this year. The plan: If I can go 10:30 ish this year (while training on my own because I can't afford a coach) - I will hire a coach next year to shave off that last hour. Here is what I expect at this years race: Swim: 1 hour Bike : 5:30 (I think this is being conservative) Note: I rode a 6:15 without even trying hard last year...literally stopped at aid stations, chatted with the ladies...stopped on the road, rubbed my feet, I took my time. I was focused on nutrition and saving the legs on the hills (rode in the lowest gears) to save my legs for the run. Run: 4:00 (A 9:10 per min mile pace...I can easily run a sub 8:00 1/2 Marathon right now) What do you think - Good plan - or ignorant?
That's not a plan. That's a goal. What's the goal? Is it going 10:30 this year? Or is it KQing in the next (X, Y, Z) years? |
| 2013-04-12 2:52 PM in reply to: #4686654 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED So if you want to get on the road to KQing on the cheap (for now) ... two things. 1) Join SBR Utopia. Be up front about your goal and why you're joining the group. Those are the folks, if anybody on BT, who can get you there. They're also blunt. 2) Read EVERYTHING on Slowtwitch. Sure, skim the jackazzery. But read EVERYTHING on there, and if there's anything you don't understand, read more, Google, follow all links until you do, or ask. In other words, if you can't pay for the best available resources, then use the best available free resources there are. And there they are. Find the folks who did what you want to do, find out what they did and have in common, and do that. |
| 2013-04-12 3:01 PM in reply to: #4697799 |
Extreme Veteran 536 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED jmkizer - 2013-04-12 11:25 AM Racing Manatees!April 13-14 TJ - Baker to Vegas run on Saturday Another busy weekend for the pod! Good luck to everyone and have fun! Salty, have a WICKED good time at Boston!!!!! I've got my tracker app all ready for ya! And I'll see you tonight! Woot! |
| 2013-04-12 3:10 PM in reply to: #4697963 |
Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED TriAya - 2013-04-12 9:58 AM 4agoodlife - 2013-04-12 11:32 PM TriAya - 2013-04-12 12:22 AM 4agoodlife - 2013-04-12 1:46 PM I have a swim question that I'm trying to formulate...forgive me if it takes a couple of tries to narrow it down and get it "right". I'm slow. For now. And I'm ok with that. I'm really trying to work on my form first, then endurance, and I figure speed will start to improve as I get more time in the water (at this point pool time is limited by daycare and kids' school/nap schedule). Am I wrong in assuming this? But as I do ponder the idea of speeding up some day, one thing I am definitely noticing is that my turnover rate is slow as I'm thinking about where all my body parts should be. But another reason (I think) it's slow is that I'm comfortably breathing every 4 strokes (b-L-R-L-b), and it's the length of time it takes to exhale fully in water to get a good breath again. So to speed up stroke means my breathing is thrown off....lungs not empty/not full breath, etc. (I hope this is making sense Do I not even worry about this now? Anyone else have this issue in the beginning? Is bilateral breathing something I should start playing with? (hahahaha! I just re-read these paragraphs and found it giggle-worthy to know that 6 months ago none of this would have crossed my mind...let alone be written down for a Pod to see.) Are you comfortable breathing on either side? That's an important skill. Can you speed up but breathe every 2 strokes? I'm not comfy on both sides, only right. That's why I was wondering if I should start "playing with" it. Is 6 months in early to try it? Could I incorporate "drills" for it starting at 25x4 for a couple of weeks and working up? I've tried every 2, but can't get air out fast enough to get a good breath back in. End up tired and out of breath. Honestly, I'm a bit scattered right now (actually, most of the time, generally) so this may be terrible advice. But it's the first two things that came to mind. 1) Don't play with it. ONLY breathe on your left. You will force your body to get comfortable with it, to find ways of being efficient, to be able to breathe and swim breathing on the left. (You won't lose your ability to breathe on the R so no worries!) This can only help overall in terms of balance, body position, etc. Of course it's going to be uncomfortable and awful and frustrating. Most changes are. Even so, you are building up swim strength, core strength, and breath control. All good. 2) Do shallow-end waist-swimming. Find water just deep enough so if you stand and bend over at the waist, your top half is in the water like it would be doing regular swimming. Now, in this position (but still rotating hips a bit to mimic the swim positioning) practice bilateral and/or every-2 breathing. Do it until you can do it. Ok - to answer your questions.... "I'm really trying to work on my form first, then endurance....speed will start to improve as I get more time in the water" No - you are not wrong to assume this. Your speed will improve as your form improves. Really, Really, Really focus on getting a GOOD STRONG catch and pull. Closed fist drill is my favorite for this. If you completely sink while doing this drill...you are not catching and pulling correctly. This drill will force you to use your entire forearm as a paddle. The single biggest limiter for slow swimmers is a "lazy" pull. You SHOULD REALLY feel your arm muscles (biceps at the beginning of the pull - triceps at the end) working. All the focus needs to be on (after you master a good catch) pushing as much water behind you as possible. The more water you push behind you - the faster you will move - the easier it will be to breath. "But another reason (I think) it's slow is that I'm comfortably breathing every 4 strokes (b-L-R-L-b)" This is not true...breathing every 4 strokes is faster than breathing every 2 strokes. Breathing slows every swimmer down, regardless of their ability. I regularly swim breathing every 4 strokes... If I get out of breath (because I'm doing a long set, or pulling extra hard)...I will throw in an extra breath (on the 2nd stroke). I RARELY breath on my right side. I know this goes against conventional wisdom, but I am a huge fan of 1 sided breathing until you master that side....after you master it - only then do I recommend working on bi-lateral breathing. That said, if you are going to work on breathing on the other side - I like Yanti's advice to "ONLY breathe on your left." However, I would add to only do this as a drill. Don't do this for an entire workout. After your warm up... do 2 sets of 100's - the first 50 breathing on your opposite side..the second 50...swim normally. Then finish your workout doing what is comfortable to you. I say this because in my opinion, for the average age group swimmer, it is much, much more important to focus on form than bi-lateral breathing. I consider bi-lateral breathing to be an advanced swimming technique. Someone (sorry - don't remember who) posted about your breathing technique. Exhale through the nose - humming slightly...control that breath. If you have a longer exhale - you will simply start your exhale earlier..if you have a shorter exhale, you start your exhale later.. (regardless of whether you are breathing every 2,3,4,5, or 6 strokes).. it's all about being comfortable. Breathing should be natural...don't force it by exhaling to quickly or fully, or holding your breath to long. In other words - 2 people breathing every 4th stroke will start their exhale at different times based on their natural breathing style. If you have a longer exhale, you might start your exhale at stroke 2, and I might start mine at stroke 3... I hope this makes sense. Also - if you send me a video... that would help immensely with giving advice. |
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Master 1890 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED |
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Elite 4435 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED Muskrat37 - 2013-04-13 8:10 AM muskrat and his videos....I must send one TriAya - 2013-04-12 9:58 AM 4agoodlife - 2013-04-12 11:32 PM TriAya - 2013-04-12 12:22 AM 4agoodlife - 2013-04-12 1:46 PM I have a swim question that I'm trying to formulate...forgive me if it takes a couple of tries to narrow it down and get it "right". I'm slow. For now. And I'm ok with that. I'm really trying to work on my form first, then endurance, and I figure speed will start to improve as I get more time in the water (at this point pool time is limited by daycare and kids' school/nap schedule). Am I wrong in assuming this? But as I do ponder the idea of speeding up some day, one thing I am definitely noticing is that my turnover rate is slow as I'm thinking about where all my body parts should be. But another reason (I think) it's slow is that I'm comfortably breathing every 4 strokes (b-L-R-L-b), and it's the length of time it takes to exhale fully in water to get a good breath again. So to speed up stroke means my breathing is thrown off....lungs not empty/not full breath, etc. (I hope this is making sense Do I not even worry about this now? Anyone else have this issue in the beginning? Is bilateral breathing something I should start playing with? (hahahaha! I just re-read these paragraphs and found it giggle-worthy to know that 6 months ago none of this would have crossed my mind...let alone be written down for a Pod to see.) Are you comfortable breathing on either side? That's an important skill. Can you speed up but breathe every 2 strokes? I'm not comfy on both sides, only right. That's why I was wondering if I should start "playing with" it. Is 6 months in early to try it? Could I incorporate "drills" for it starting at 25x4 for a couple of weeks and working up? I've tried every 2, but can't get air out fast enough to get a good breath back in. End up tired and out of breath. Honestly, I'm a bit scattered right now (actually, most of the time, generally) so this may be terrible advice. But it's the first two things that came to mind. 1) Don't play with it. ONLY breathe on your left. You will force your body to get comfortable with it, to find ways of being efficient, to be able to breathe and swim breathing on the left. (You won't lose your ability to breathe on the R so no worries!) This can only help overall in terms of balance, body position, etc. Of course it's going to be uncomfortable and awful and frustrating. Most changes are. Even so, you are building up swim strength, core strength, and breath control. All good. 2) Do shallow-end waist-swimming. Find water just deep enough so if you stand and bend over at the waist, your top half is in the water like it would be doing regular swimming. Now, in this position (but still rotating hips a bit to mimic the swim positioning) practice bilateral and/or every-2 breathing. Do it until you can do it. Ok - to answer your questions.... "I'm really trying to work on my form first, then endurance....speed will start to improve as I get more time in the water" No - you are not wrong to assume this. Your speed will improve as your form improves. Really, Really, Really focus on getting a GOOD STRONG catch and pull. Closed fist drill is my favorite for this. If you completely sink while doing this drill...you are not catching and pulling correctly. This drill will force you to use your entire forearm as a paddle. The single biggest limiter for slow swimmers is a "lazy" pull. You SHOULD REALLY feel your arm muscles (biceps at the beginning of the pull - triceps at the end) working. All the focus needs to be on (after you master a good catch) pushing as much water behind you as possible. The more water you push behind you - the faster you will move - the easier it will be to breath. "But another reason (I think) it's slow is that I'm comfortably breathing every 4 strokes (b-L-R-L-b)" This is not true...breathing every 4 strokes is faster than breathing every 2 strokes. Breathing slows every swimmer down, regardless of their ability. I regularly swim breathing every 4 strokes... If I get out of breath (because I'm doing a long set, or pulling extra hard)...I will throw in an extra breath (on the 2nd stroke). I RARELY breath on my right side. I know this goes against conventional wisdom, but I am a huge fan of 1 sided breathing until you master that side....after you master it - only then do I recommend working on bi-lateral breathing. That said, if you are going to work on breathing on the other side - I like Yanti's advice to "ONLY breathe on your left." However, I would add to only do this as a drill. Don't do this for an entire workout. After your warm up... do 2 sets of 100's - the first 50 breathing on your opposite side..the second 50...swim normally. Then finish your workout doing what is comfortable to you. I say this because in my opinion, for the average age group swimmer, it is much, much more important to focus on form than bi-lateral breathing. I consider bi-lateral breathing to be an advanced swimming technique. Someone (sorry - don't remember who) posted about your breathing technique. Exhale through the nose - humming slightly...control that breath. If you have a longer exhale - you will simply start your exhale earlier..if you have a shorter exhale, you start your exhale later.. (regardless of whether you are breathing every 2,3,4,5, or 6 strokes).. it's all about being comfortable. Breathing should be natural...don't force it by exhaling to quickly or fully, or holding your breath to long. In other words - 2 people breathing every 4th stroke will start their exhale at different times based on their natural breathing style. If you have a longer exhale, you might start your exhale at stroke 2, and I might start mine at stroke 3... I hope this makes sense. Also - if you send me a video... that would help immensely with giving advice. |
| 2013-04-12 4:02 PM in reply to: #4686654 |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED Hey, Pod...Thank you all for the swim advice/coaching/info/etc, etc, etc.  So I have a few more things to think about and implement. Yay! Swim is the plan for tonight, and, while not expecting any breakthrough improvements, I hope I'll have something interesting to post as follow-up. |
| 2013-04-12 4:24 PM in reply to: #4698221 |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED Muskrat37 - 2013-04-12 2:23 PM jmkizer - 2013-04-12 8:25 AM Racing Manatees!April 13-14 TJ - Baker to Vegas run on Saturday Goooo Podmates... !!! GOOoOOOOOOOoOOOOOooOOO MANATEEESSSSSSS!!! |
| 2013-04-12 4:42 PM in reply to: #4697799 |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED jmkizer - 2013-04-12 8:25 AM Racing Manatees!April 13-14 TJ - Baker to Vegas run on Saturday Ohhhhh! Look at all the lady racers this weekend. NICE! Run like the wind...or at least a strong, steady breeze |
| 2013-04-12 6:54 PM in reply to: #4698022 |
Veteran 2441 Western Australia | Subject: RE: Mad Mutant Manatee Mentors 4--CLOSED Artemis - 2013-04-13 2:37 AM Oooh they might have some good sales on too! Maybe you can get your bike at an even better price DUDES! Cannondale is having a demo at my LBS on Sunday!! I haven't ordered my bike yet, so I can go and try a bunch of different ones! I'll probably end up loving the same one, but who can turn down RIDING NEW BIKES?  |
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