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2013-07-30 7:29 PM
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Originally posted by TankBoy Hey all - thanks so much for the well wishes! I have had a blast watching the race with friends - it is so much fun watching everyone giving it there all out on the course. JT crushed her time from last year, PR'ing the course by a little over an hour-and-a-half. I spoke with James briefly before my phone died just a little while ago. I am sure he will chime in when he gets a chance, but he was in very good spirits. His feet got beat up on the run but he dug it out when he realized he could still sneak in under 12 hours. We spent part of the afternoon spectating with his wife - good lord, she is a riot! But then again, I guess she would have to be, right?  Laughing

Late to the party, sorry about the DNF but sure sounds like you made the best of it



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2013-07-30 8:00 PM
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Had an interesting swim at noon today. I don't normally go to the Y during the middle of the day so it's a different group of people than I normally see in the pool. There was a guy in the next lane that I'd heard of in the local press but never met. He's very active in the OWS community in NYC/NJ area. We chatted some and he gave some feedback on my stroke. Then we swam a set of 6 x100 where he basically floated along with me for the first 50 then took off and was waiting at the wall while I finished.  His next OWS race is part of the NYC Swim around Manhattan Relay (28.5 miles) where he's swimming 3 legs. He's 82. 

If you have a few minutes the attached video is pretty cool. You'll see him swimming in the Manhattan relay from a few years ago around the 2:20 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EzYiTI6V4Y

That's so inspirational. I've been telling myself that the time I'm putting into swimming is a long term investment. When I can't run or bike anymore, I hope to still be swimming. What an honor to have met someone like Dr. Kiell. Thanks for sharing.

2013-07-30 8:38 PM
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Originally posted by KansasMom
Originally posted by kcarroll

Had an interesting swim at noon today. I don't normally go to the Y during the middle of the day so it's a different group of people than I normally see in the pool. There was a guy in the next lane that I'd heard of in the local press but never met. He's very active in the OWS community in NYC/NJ area. We chatted some and he gave some feedback on my stroke. Then we swam a set of 6 x100 where he basically floated along with me for the first 50 then took off and was waiting at the wall while I finished.  His next OWS race is part of the NYC Swim around Manhattan Relay (28.5 miles) where he's swimming 3 legs. He's 82. 

If you have a few minutes the attached video is pretty cool. You'll see him swimming in the Manhattan relay from a few years ago around the 2:20 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EzYiTI6V4Y

That's so inspirational. I've been telling myself that the time I'm putting into swimming is a long term investment. When I can't run or bike anymore, I hope to still be swimming. What an honor to have met someone like Dr. Kiell. Thanks for sharing.

Felicia - what a lovely way to put it! While I don't see a lot of 70+ folks in my cycling groups or running races, I do have quite a number of them in my masters group and at open water swims (the leader of our local OWS is actually in his 80s). All the more reason to get my but back to the pool....

2013-07-30 8:41 PM
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Here is my race DNF report from LP: http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=496674.

Reading back through the group I see I have a few to catch on from this past week - I can't wait to read them tomorrow over a cup of tea.

2013-07-30 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by TankBoy
Originally posted by KansasMom
Originally posted by kcarroll

Had an interesting swim at noon today. I don't normally go to the Y during the middle of the day so it's a different group of people than I normally see in the pool. There was a guy in the next lane that I'd heard of in the local press but never met. He's very active in the OWS community in NYC/NJ area. We chatted some and he gave some feedback on my stroke. Then we swam a set of 6 x100 where he basically floated along with me for the first 50 then took off and was waiting at the wall while I finished.  His next OWS race is part of the NYC Swim around Manhattan Relay (28.5 miles) where he's swimming 3 legs. He's 82. 

If you have a few minutes the attached video is pretty cool. You'll see him swimming in the Manhattan relay from a few years ago around the 2:20 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EzYiTI6V4Y

That's so inspirational. I've been telling myself that the time I'm putting into swimming is a long term investment. When I can't run or bike anymore, I hope to still be swimming. What an honor to have met someone like Dr. Kiell. Thanks for sharing.

Felicia - what a lovely way to put it! While I don't see a lot of 70+ folks in my cycling groups or running races, I do have quite a number of them in my masters group and at open water swims (the leader of our local OWS is actually in his 80s). All the more reason to get my but back to the pool....

At a meet awhile back it was really something to see some 70+ year old ladies go through the 200 fly without stopping.

2013-07-31 6:24 AM
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Originally posted by axteraa So, I've tried to get in a good 20' power test twice in the last week and neither has gone well.  Last Thursday I quit after 8 minutes and this morning I finished it but ended up about 10 watts lower than my last one.  I kept finding myself stuck between gears and was never comfortable.  I had an 11-28 cassette on the back and kept switching between 50/17 and 50/15.  17 was too spinny @ 95 RPMS and 15 was too grindy at 80.  I've heard people complain about missing the 16 tooth cog with a cassette like that and until now I've never really noticed it.  I think now that Mont Tremblant is behind me I will switch to a 12-25 as I really don't have anything hilly planned anytime soon.  I've heard Miami is flat...

Hence, the 22.

New group.

New wheels.

So, might as well get a new bike, to boot.

Oooohhhhhhh….  NOW I see why they came out with that.  Tongue out

Funny you just wrote this, as I was feeling the same thing yesterday for the first time (but on a recovery ride, so it really didn't matter) where I just couldn't get the right cadence/effort (no wattage yet on the tri machine).

Matt



2013-07-31 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by Jason N

Chris...Okay this might totally be TMI, but I'm just going to ask this being pretty blunt...

When you're using the Adamo saddle, are your boys hanging over the front end of the saddle?  When I first used it I had no idea that's how it was supposed to be ridden, and I thought the little space between the nose of the saddle was supposed to be a little "pocket" where they should sit.  I spent almost a year riding like that (had to angle my nose slightly down) before realizing my mistake.  Moved the saddle back about 2 cm and it has made a world of difference riding the saddle how it was meant to be used.

I'm probably about 90% sure you already know this...but just making sure.

 

Getting back to this.....  yeah, I *think* it was right, the problem is that the adamo/sitero is substantially shorter than a more traditional saddle.  I was using a lot of the nose of the old saddle.  The adamo type can only be moved forward so far until the rails run out, and it's quite a bit back from where the front of the old saddle was, by at least a couple inches.  Result is I can't really get far enough forward on these saddles, as I feel as if I am falling off the front.   And to Tom, I have the old saddle tilted down a few degrees. 

Put the old one back on the bike for a trainer ride tonight.   Fingers crossed

And, of course, I have developed a little bit of tendonitis on top of my foot.  Pretty certain not a SFX, at least I've talked myself down from that ledge for now.  I got some new shoes, same model etc., and the laces were on there loose and I tightened them up quite a bit.  Too much, it turns out.  It'll resolve in a few days (praying) and I'll be fine, but I am a little worried about it....  Have some acupuncture and PT lined up anyway

2013-07-31 2:21 PM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
Originally posted by ChrisM
Originally posted by Jason N

Chris...Okay this might totally be TMI, but I'm just going to ask this being pretty blunt...

When you're using the Adamo saddle, are your boys hanging over the front end of the saddle?  When I first used it I had no idea that's how it was supposed to be ridden, and I thought the little space between the nose of the saddle was supposed to be a little "pocket" where they should sit.  I spent almost a year riding like that (had to angle my nose slightly down) before realizing my mistake.  Moved the saddle back about 2 cm and it has made a world of difference riding the saddle how it was meant to be used.

I'm probably about 90% sure you already know this...but just making sure.

 

Getting back to this.....  yeah, I *think* it was right, the problem is that the adamo/sitero is substantially shorter than a more traditional saddle.  I was using a lot of the nose of the old saddle.  The adamo type can only be moved forward so far until the rails run out, and it's quite a bit back from where the front of the old saddle was, by at least a couple inches.  Result is I can't really get far enough forward on these saddles, as I feel as if I am falling off the front.   And to Tom, I have the old saddle tilted down a few degrees. 

Put the old one back on the bike for a trainer ride tonight.   Fingers crossed

And, of course, I have developed a little bit of tendonitis on top of my foot.  Pretty certain not a SFX, at least I've talked myself down from that ledge for now.  I got some new shoes, same model etc., and the laces were on there loose and I tightened them up quite a bit.  Too much, it turns out.  It'll resolve in a few days (praying) and I'll be fine, but I am a little worried about it....  Have some acupuncture and PT lined up anyway

I did the same thing a week ago Sunday, and it still hurts (can run - both long and fast... well, perhaps long OR fast is a better descriptor) but is getting better.

It wasn't a good feeling to hear, "Transition closing in 2 minutes" and look down to see unlaced shoes.  I *might* have felt just the slightest bit of panic - and cranked my laces down like I was going to wing-walk hanging from the bottom of a biplane.

I think it was compounded by running in my Newtons, as well.  I love racing in those shoes, but the 7 miles with an overtight lace AND the piston thingies was probably just a bit too much for my tender feet...

Hope yours clears quickly!

Matt

2013-07-31 2:37 PM
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That's really weird because I think I've been experiencing the same thing in the past week.  I have been using a new pair of shoes (same model), but the top of my foot where the laces ties has been getting a little sore just on my left foot.  It didn't bother me at all during my race but I could slightly feel it this morning.  No issues while biking though.

In other news, Refuel has stepped up to also sponsor a friend and I at Kona.  Hoping this gets me inside access to meet Hines Ward.  LOL.

2013-07-31 2:56 PM
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Originally posted by Jason N

That's really weird because I think I've been experiencing the same thing in the past week.  I have been using a new pair of shoes (same model), but the top of my foot where the laces ties has been getting a little sore just on my left foot.  It didn't bother me at all during my race but I could slightly feel it this morning.  No issues while biking though.

In other news, Refuel has stepped up to also sponsor a friend and I at Kona.  Hoping this gets me inside access to meet Hines Ward.  LOL.

or at least some chocolate milk.....

 

2013-07-31 7:38 PM
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What is this lace tightening thing you are all talking about?

My idea of adjusting laces is loosening them to the point that I can just barely tie a tiny little bow in them to hold them in place.  Anything tighter than that drives me nuts!  It makes slipping them on in T2 really easy too!  



2013-07-31 7:59 PM
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2013-07-31 11:49 PM
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These were on new shoes, no quik laces on them yet.   I ran 16 miles on Sunday with no problems.   quik laces.

Btw, when I had a similar problem last December - other foot, different metatarsal - it was caused by new use of x laces....



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2013-08-01 6:25 AM
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Up at 4 for no reason.:S Missed my swim last night because I ended up waiting on some results for a sick pt that my clinic admitted. Guess ill do my run and that swim this morning....triathlon karma

So far a random perk of living by myself is that unless I buy it, it's not in my house. Prob lost 5lbs in the past month basically doing nothing because I don't have a lot of junk in my cupboards/fridge/freezer. Win? Apparently this just means I have no self control when junk food is in front of me.

2013-08-01 7:36 AM
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Subject: RE: SBR Utopia Season II - OPEN
Originally posted by ChrisM
Originally posted by Jason N

Chris...Okay this might totally be TMI, but I'm just going to ask this being pretty blunt...

When you're using the Adamo saddle, are your boys hanging over the front end of the saddle?  When I first used it I had no idea that's how it was supposed to be ridden, and I thought the little space between the nose of the saddle was supposed to be a little "pocket" where they should sit.  I spent almost a year riding like that (had to angle my nose slightly down) before realizing my mistake.  Moved the saddle back about 2 cm and it has made a world of difference riding the saddle how it was meant to be used.

I'm probably about 90% sure you already know this...but just making sure.

 

Getting back to this.....  yeah, I *think* it was right, the problem is that the adamo/sitero is substantially shorter than a more traditional saddle.  I was using a lot of the nose of the old saddle.  The adamo type can only be moved forward so far until the rails run out, and it's quite a bit back from where the front of the old saddle was, by at least a couple inches.  Result is I can't really get far enough forward on these saddles, as I feel as if I am falling off the front.   And to Tom, I have the old saddle tilted down a few degrees. 

Put the old one back on the bike for a trainer ride tonight.   Fingers crossed

And, of course, I have developed a little bit of tendonitis on top of my foot.  Pretty certain not a SFX, at least I've talked myself down from that ledge for now.  I got some new shoes, same model etc., and the laces were on there loose and I tightened them up quite a bit.  Too much, it turns out.  It'll resolve in a few days (praying) and I'll be fine, but I am a little worried about it....  Have some acupuncture and PT lined up anyway

I'm still trying to understand your position on the other saddles. Were you really all the way out on the nose? I've tried that, but it always bugged the heck out of me. Often times time Adamo is able to put someone farther forward than a more traditional saddle will. Do you know how steep your setup is? Not very familiar with your bike.

2013-08-01 8:57 AM
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Originally posted by mndymond Up at 4 for no reason.:S Missed my swim last night because I ended up waiting on some results for a sick pt that my clinic admitted. Guess ill do my run and that swim this morning....triathlon karma So far a random perk of living by myself is that unless I buy it, it's not in my house. Prob lost 5lbs in the past month basically doing nothing because I don't have a lot of junk in my cupboards/fridge/freezer. Win? Apparently this just means I have no self control when junk food is in front of me.

yeah, that's pretty normal.  When I went through the PN program one of the steps was basically to clear all the crap from the house.  Willpower will only take you so far.  I read about this in another book as well about how many decisions you have to make in a day and how that taxes your brain and why habits plays such a strong part in your eating cause it becomes one less decision your brain has to make



2013-08-01 8:58 AM
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Felt like I was being stalked by coyotes today on my run.  Then I came home to bunnies playing in my yard.  I tried to warn them but seems like they do not understand english.  Thankfully I was without a dog cause that would probably not have ended well (cause of the coyotes, not the rabbits)
2013-08-01 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by ChrisM
Originally posted by Jason N

Chris...Okay this might totally be TMI, but I'm just going to ask this being pretty blunt...

When you're using the Adamo saddle, are your boys hanging over the front end of the saddle?  When I first used it I had no idea that's how it was supposed to be ridden, and I thought the little space between the nose of the saddle was supposed to be a little "pocket" where they should sit.  I spent almost a year riding like that (had to angle my nose slightly down) before realizing my mistake.  Moved the saddle back about 2 cm and it has made a world of difference riding the saddle how it was meant to be used.

I'm probably about 90% sure you already know this...but just making sure.

 

Getting back to this.....  yeah, I *think* it was right, the problem is that the adamo/sitero is substantially shorter than a more traditional saddle.  I was using a lot of the nose of the old saddle.  The adamo type can only be moved forward so far until the rails run out, and it's quite a bit back from where the front of the old saddle was, by at least a couple inches.  Result is I can't really get far enough forward on these saddles, as I feel as if I am falling off the front.   And to Tom, I have the old saddle tilted down a few degrees. 

Put the old one back on the bike for a trainer ride tonight.   Fingers crossed

And, of course, I have developed a little bit of tendonitis on top of my foot.  Pretty certain not a SFX, at least I've talked myself down from that ledge for now.  I got some new shoes, same model etc., and the laces were on there loose and I tightened them up quite a bit.  Too much, it turns out.  It'll resolve in a few days (praying) and I'll be fine, but I am a little worried about it....  Have some acupuncture and PT lined up anyway

I'm still trying to understand your position on the other saddles. Were you really all the way out on the nose? I've tried that, but it always bugged the heck out of me. Often times time Adamo is able to put someone farther forward than a more traditional saddle will. Do you know how steep your setup is? Not very familiar with your bike.




Just curious - and I see it a lot. What's the main reason people point the nose of the saddle down? I may have asked this in the past and forgotten the answer.
2013-08-01 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by GoFaster  Just curious - and I see it a lot. What's the main reason people point the nose of the saddle down? I may have asked this in the past and forgotten the answer.

Comfort. The downside is the tendency to slip forward.

2013-08-01 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by brigby1
Originally posted by ChrisM
Originally posted by Jason N

Chris...Okay this might totally be TMI, but I'm just going to ask this being pretty blunt...

When you're using the Adamo saddle, are your boys hanging over the front end of the saddle?  When I first used it I had no idea that's how it was supposed to be ridden, and I thought the little space between the nose of the saddle was supposed to be a little "pocket" where they should sit.  I spent almost a year riding like that (had to angle my nose slightly down) before realizing my mistake.  Moved the saddle back about 2 cm and it has made a world of difference riding the saddle how it was meant to be used.

I'm probably about 90% sure you already know this...but just making sure.

 

Getting back to this.....  yeah, I *think* it was right, the problem is that the adamo/sitero is substantially shorter than a more traditional saddle.  I was using a lot of the nose of the old saddle.  The adamo type can only be moved forward so far until the rails run out, and it's quite a bit back from where the front of the old saddle was, by at least a couple inches.  Result is I can't really get far enough forward on these saddles, as I feel as if I am falling off the front.   And to Tom, I have the old saddle tilted down a few degrees. 

Put the old one back on the bike for a trainer ride tonight.   Fingers crossed

And, of course, I have developed a little bit of tendonitis on top of my foot.  Pretty certain not a SFX, at least I've talked myself down from that ledge for now.  I got some new shoes, same model etc., and the laces were on there loose and I tightened them up quite a bit.  Too much, it turns out.  It'll resolve in a few days (praying) and I'll be fine, but I am a little worried about it....  Have some acupuncture and PT lined up anyway

I'm still trying to understand your position on the other saddles. Were you really all the way out on the nose? I've tried that, but it always bugged the heck out of me. Often times time Adamo is able to put someone farther forward than a more traditional saddle will. Do you know how steep your setup is? Not very familiar with your bike.

Accdg to the PX website, the Stealth has a 76 degree seat angle.  My RETUL fit has me at 79.  I gotta get forward somehow, and the only ways to do it are (1) use a FF type seat post or (2) sit on the nose of a slammed saddle.  There aren't any other seat post options for the stealth that I have been able to find, so that leaves me with the saddle.  The adamos etc simply aren't long enough to get to 79.  I have to be waaaaaaaay on the tip of the adamos, and on the sitero I was almost literally falling off the front.

2013-08-01 1:58 PM
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Hi all:)

Could someone give me the 411 on USAT rankings, and what, if anything, I should care about when looking at mine?  I read their explanation of how they calculate them, but I'm just wondering if there is some reason to be invested in the number?

Thanks,

Elesa



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2013-08-01 2:14 PM
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Originally posted by switch

Hi all

Could someone give me the 411 on USAT rankings, and what, if anything, I should care about when looking at mine?  I read their explanation of how they calculate them, but I'm just wondering if there is some reason to be invested in the number?

Thanks,

Elesa

Elesa,

USAT rankings are just a way to "sort of" measure yourself against other athletes that also participated in races that were USAT sanctioned.  If the race was not USAT sanctioned, it will not be scored.  I don't know the exact forumla as it's likely very complicated, but basically it tries to give you a score based on your finish time.  Because not all courses are equal, the score is somehow determined based on the strength of the field and their previous scores at other races.

In order to be officially ranked, you need to be a USAT annual license holder and do 3 USAT races that were scored.  This also makes you eligible for All American or All American Honorable Mention status that goes to the top X% of each age group.

The formula is not super scientific but it's a general guideline.  Some people care about it, but many people couldn't care less and are more worried about their actual rankings in the races they do. 

2013-08-01 2:17 PM
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Accdg to the PX website, the Stealth has a 76 degree seat angle.  My RETUL fit has me at 79.  I gotta get forward somehow, and the only ways to do it are (1) use a FF type seat post or (2) sit on the nose of a slammed saddle.  There aren't any other seat post options for the stealth that I have been able to find, so that leaves me with the saddle.  The adamos etc simply aren't long enough to get to 79.  I have to be waaaaaaaay on the tip of the adamos, and on the sitero I was almost literally falling off the front.

BTW, leegocrap linked me to this on ST, this is exactly what I need to do, but lack the technical know how.  I've already gotten the green light from the wife to buy a new bike for next season, so doubt I'll be going to this length     But it descibes graphically my issue very well.  I note from the description that this bike also has a 76 degree angle, like the PX

http://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/The_Cucuma_of_Julia_Gajer_3770.html



Edited by ChrisM 2013-08-01 2:18 PM
2013-08-01 2:19 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisM

Accdg to the PX website, the Stealth has a 76 degree seat angle.  My RETUL fit has me at 79.  I gotta get forward somehow, and the only ways to do it are (1) use a FF type seat post or (2) sit on the nose of a slammed saddle.  There aren't any other seat post options for the stealth that I have been able to find, so that leaves me with the saddle.  The adamos etc simply aren't long enough to get to 79.  I have to be waaaaaaaay on the tip of the adamos, and on the sitero I was almost literally falling off the front.

So did you just answer your own question???

Have you discussed this with your fitter and if moving to a frame designed to be ridden at 78-80* will help?  Could be an issue of trying to fix a problem by swapping out the wrong part.

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