Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread (Page 4)
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2009-11-03 6:03 PM in reply to: #2495865 |
Lethbridge, Alberta | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Micawber - 2009-11-03 2:10 PM ... I'll try to remember to post an example later... OK, I'll try to attach one of the erg files I used from last year's program. Edit: Oops, that's the problem with cut & paste editing ... the notes in the file don't match the workout. Doh! ... but the header notes are a little more readable than scanning the data section to understand the content. Edited by Micawber 2009-11-03 6:22 PM Attachments ---------------- Jorge_w15_Q2.erg (0KB - 25 downloads) |
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2009-11-03 7:00 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Extreme Veteran 425 Lenexa, KS | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Day 1 workout done - Now only 13 weeks to go. Felt good to have some structure to the riding again. |
2009-11-03 7:14 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Did my 1st session today, I tweaked the session a bit as I am still racing cyclocross and the needs are a tad different. A few things to remember and some random thoughts: |
2009-11-03 7:54 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Member 157 Red Lion, PA | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread 1st session done. 1st time on the bike for almost a month i think. I won't forget to move the fan to the basement before the next workout, that's for sure. SiriusXM on DirectTv was much better for me than watching television. This is great. I tend to need a structured program that i can stick to, and doing this along with everyone should be the motivation i need to kick my butt and improve. |
2009-11-03 9:58 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Jorge, you are aware that torture is illegal right? I programmed it in my Garmin and it sure did help. |
2009-11-03 10:13 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Master 1690 Metro NY Area | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Session 1 done. It's my first time using my PowerTap. Next week I'm on vacation and will have to do HR on stationary bikes at the hotel. |
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2009-11-03 11:50 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Master 1402 Highlands Ranch | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread OK, week1 Q1 done. Ouch, I really slacked off last month! |
2009-11-04 5:43 AM in reply to: #2492759 |
Veteran 299 Ferndale | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread |
2009-11-04 6:33 AM in reply to: #2492759 |
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2009-11-04 8:16 AM in reply to: #2496594 |
Extreme Veteran 415 Leander, Texas | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread trotpntbll - 2009-11-04 6:33 AM Q2 was good. I still have no idea as to my limits/ ranges/ etc on the trainer in terms of wattage. Once the 15' minute piece started I felt I could have gone much harder but was unsure my fitness is on the bike. The time trials should be interesting as I'm unsure if I should just go crazy and try to hang on, or start slower and increase throughout the pieces. I'm not sure I'd do either. Based on your workouts this week, pick a starting place that you think is about right and then adjust from there. If you feel yourself tiring quickly, back off a little until you're pushing it, but not exhausting yourself. If you feel like you're starting point is too easy, start ramping it up a few watts at a time. |
2009-11-04 8:50 AM in reply to: #2492759 |
Master 1410 White Plains NY | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Week 1, Q1 done! Feels so strange spinning my legs on a trainer again. This totally felt like a "lets get back on a trainer" session. (indoorSpin11_04_09.jpg) Attachments ---------------- indoorSpin11_04_09.jpg (37KB - 30 downloads) |
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2009-11-04 9:09 AM in reply to: #2496594 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread trotpntbll - 2009-11-04 6:33 AM Q2 was good. I still have no idea as to my limits/ ranges/ etc on the trainer in terms of wattage. Once the 15' minute piece started I felt I could have gone much harder but was unsure my fitness is on the bike. The time trials should be interesting as I'm unsure if I should just go crazy and try to hang on, or start slower and increase throughout the pieces. for the testing is better to start a bit easier and finish strong rather than blowing up off the bat and failing to complete the test. As you gain experience you'll get a sense as to what's too hard for next tests... |
2009-11-04 1:26 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread PLEASE NOTICE I updated the section that includes the warm up and cool down for all session and added a table for those training only by RPE. Now all WU last around 20 min and Cool down 5-10 min + the Main Sets. Check it out here: http://jorgepbmcoaching.blogspot.com/2008/11/winter-cycling-plan-training-zones-and.html |
2009-11-04 1:32 PM in reply to: #2497545 |
Expert 687 Cambridge, MA | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread JorgeM - 2009-11-04 2:26 PM PLEASE NOTICE I updated the section that includes the warm up and cool down for all session and added a table for those training only by RPE. Now all WU last around 20 min and Cool down 5-10 min + the Main Sets. Check it out here: http://jorgepbmcoaching.blogspot.com/2008/11/winter-cycling-plan-training-zones-and.html Thanks, Jorge! But, it looks like you can't click through to the image on the HRM one so it's hard to see. Can you fix that? RPE and PM look great. |
2009-11-04 1:58 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Member 74 | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Let me start off by apologizing for the verbal diarrhea that you are about to read. I just can't come up with a better way to explain it and no I am not complaining about the workout. So here are my observations from Week 1 Q1. Jorge and group please feel free to comment with thoughts. Let me preface this with the fact that i did this workout on rollers as i don't own a trainer.
Jorge and anyone that did the workout on rollers please let me know if i am missing something. By the way i enjoyed the workout a lot and made time fly by a lot faster. thanks... |
2009-11-04 2:02 PM in reply to: #2497554 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread running4beer - 2009-11-04 1:32 PM JorgeM - 2009-11-04 2:26 PM PLEASE NOTICE I updated the section that includes the warm up and cool down for all session and added a table for those training only by RPE. Now all WU last around 20 min and Cool down 5-10 min + the Main Sets. Check it out here: http://jorgepbmcoaching.blogspot.com/2008/11/winter-cycling-plan-training-zones-and.html Thanks, Jorge! But, it looks like you can't click through to the image on the HRM one so it's hard to see. Can you fix that? RPE and PM look great. it is working for me, still I just reload the image; can you please verify if it is working? |
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2009-11-04 2:05 PM in reply to: #2497625 |
Expert 687 Cambridge, MA | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread JorgeM - 2009-11-04 3:02 PM running4beer - 2009-11-04 1:32 PM JorgeM - 2009-11-04 2:26 PM PLEASE NOTICE I updated the section that includes the warm up and cool down for all session and added a table for those training only by RPE. Now all WU last around 20 min and Cool down 5-10 min + the Main Sets. Check it out here: http://jorgepbmcoaching.blogspot.com/2008/11/winter-cycling-plan-training-zones-and.html Thanks, Jorge! But, it looks like you can't click through to the image on the HRM one so it's hard to see. Can you fix that? RPE and PM look great. it is working for me, still I just reload the image; can you please verify if it is working? Thanks! Seems to be working now. |
2009-11-04 2:21 PM in reply to: #2497615 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Let me preface this with the fact that i did this workout on rollers as i don't own a trainer. >>> this by itself will be more challeneging just as FYI
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2009-11-04 2:28 PM in reply to: #2497659 |
Member 74 | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread I have the aluminum cycleops rollers and they say that there is a resistance unit that you can use with them. I hope the link below works. http://www.saris.com/pdfManuals/335.pdf I guess there is going to be a purchase in my future |
2009-11-04 2:35 PM in reply to: #2497615 |
Veteran 110 | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread I use rollers. Killer kool headwind fan is variable resistance. Just spinning faster during the intervals increases the resistance a lot. How much you might ask? Well, let's look at the chart (below). I use the 3.0 drums, flywheel and fan at 1/2 open. Have to do the math, but at say 14 mph I need (106+24+73=203) watts. If I increase to 16 mph, I need (127+31+100=258) watts. 18 mph = 148+38+133=319 watts. That is quite an increase. As an aside, this chart also shows why mph for indoor trainers make no sense. To add about 100 watts to my training load (assuming other elements require constant effort, which is not true but used for simplicity), I can have the fan at 1/4 and ride at 20 mph, have the fan at 1/2 and ride at 16 mph, have the fan 3/4 and ride at just over 14 mph, or have the fan full open and ride at just under 14 mph. To account for that difference, I can either change cadence, or I can change gears. If I change gears, any of these choices (not counting changes on the other components, which could easily be factored in as noted above) will require the same power, and I could use the same cadence. The only difference is that the fan will be more or less open, and as a result the wheels and thus the fan will move faster or slower. Your power requirement and cadence may be the same. This is why a speedometer may be relevant to determine relative effort, but cannot be used to determine absolute effort, and why logging of miles from a speedometer is useless. I could have lots of miles by reducing resistance from the fan, and increasing gear, and therefore tire speed, and therefore speed of the entire system. Same effort, more miles logged. This chart also shows that those who say it is not possible to get a lot of resistance with rolers are just wrong. My setup at 44 mph requires 1500 watts. If I open the fan all the way, it requires over 2000 watts. Seems like ti should be enough in most cases. Sorry about the formatting
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2009-11-04 4:46 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Pro 4174 Keller, Texas | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Hitting Q1 tonight! |
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2009-11-04 5:31 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Champion 5807 Henderson NV | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Q2 today...Wowsa! Now I understand or at least starting to understand why watching TV is not a good idea. Edited by saling4 2009-11-04 5:31 PM |
2009-11-04 7:12 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Royal(PITA) 14270 West Chester, Ohio | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Well I survived Q1. Not sure I follow the whole thing right but I did it. You guys with power meter graphs and such are confusing me Edited by QueenZipp 2009-11-04 7:12 PM |
2009-11-04 7:13 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Is it me or are the HR warmups stated in terms of power? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AxAesOeS5Wo/SvHcmrfiVeI/AAAAAAAAALU/LkDN_m7j2J0/s1600-h/HRM+WU-CD.jpg |
2009-11-04 7:48 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Champion 5495 Whizzzzzlandia | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread #2 down. |
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