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 2010-04-27 11:52 AM in reply to: #2819661 |
Elite  3221    the desert |  Subject: RE: Arizonamarmadaddy - 2010-04-27 9:03 AM ADMIN NOTE: This thread is getting heated. There's some really good stuff here and yes, some of it is provocative to say the least. We'd rather not remove the thread because it's an important topic that people feel strongly about. Let's try to keep to the Guidelines for a Healthy Discussion. No Personal Attacks, No Generalizations. If you disagree with something, state why you disagree with it and what you believe, but do so within the rules of the site. Think this discussion is heated, try living here...... (but bring your proof of citizenship) Edited by Fitzy 2010-04-27 11:52 AM |
| 2010-04-27 12:12 PM in reply to: #2819768 |
Master 1795  Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: Arizona TriRSquared - 2010-04-27 12:22 PM AcesFull - 2010-04-27 12:08 PM The first laws the Nazis passed were about documentation. Armbands, deportation, ghettos and death camps came later. Oh, we can say that such things would never happen here, but laws like this seem to suggest otherwise. How does this law suggest otherwise? Have there been similar laws in the US that have lead to the extermination of millions of people? This is 2010 United States. Vastly different from 1930s/40s Germany. Agree... Suggesting that there are similarities with enforcing our laws and the Nazi's is a great example of how desperate the argument against this Bill is approaching. Are people happy about having to show proof if they are already a citizen? No. But this is an issue that has to be dealt with before the country is broke and we start to see roles reversed and Americans climbing the fences heading south. Heard another ridiculous argument that illegal aliens will now stop calling the police when they see a crime. I would be very curious of the # of illegals who are currently reporting crimes. It doesn't happen. Put yourself in their shoes. You see someone get stabbed in your neighborhood and you are here illegally. Are you going to call police? They don't and either would eye if I wanted to remain a criminal. How many people with warrants for their arrest call in crimes to the police? I would have to make same comparison. The crimes being committed may be different than others on parole, but everyone assumes being here illegally is a victimless crime. It isn't. |
 2010-04-27 12:27 PM in reply to: #2819873 |
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Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: Arizona cardenas1 - 2010-04-27 1:12 PM TriRSquared - 2010-04-27 12:22 PM Agree... AcesFull - 2010-04-27 12:08 PM The first laws the Nazis passed were about documentation. Armbands, deportation, ghettos and death camps came later. Oh, we can say that such things would never happen here, but laws like this seem to suggest otherwise. How does this law suggest otherwise? Have there been similar laws in the US that have lead to the extermination of millions of people? This is 2010 United States. Vastly different from 1930s/40s Germany. As do I. At this point I need to provide documentation to get a job, a mortgage, shoot to even fly on a plane. We are documented left right and center. |
| 2010-04-27 12:41 PM in reply to: #2813206 |
| Champion 6786 Two seat rocket plane | Subject: RE: Arizona I wonder how many undocumented Irishmen this law will catch? |
| 2010-04-27 12:44 PM in reply to: #2819981 |
| Extreme Veteran 513 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: Arizona Zilla - 2010-04-27 10:27 AM Fitzy - 2010-04-27 9:52 AM marmadaddy - 2010-04-27 9:03 AM ADMIN NOTE: This thread is getting heated. There's some really good stuff here and yes, some of it is provocative to say the least. We'd rather not remove the thread because it's an important topic that people feel strongly about. Let's try to keep to the Guidelines for a Healthy Discussion. No Personal Attacks, No Generalizations. If you disagree with something, state why you disagree with it and what you believe, but do so within the rules of the site. Think this discussion is heated, try living here...... (but bring your proof of citizenship) Or here, a tad closer to the border .... Sigh. No kidding. ... to the guy who has said more than once now that this type of law already exists in Prince William County, VA: I don't think you can really say that it hasn't been a problem there, so it shouldn't be a problem here in AZ. Just for a moment, can you think about the demographic figures of the two places? How much of the population of PWC do you think is Hispanic, compared to here in Tucson?? I can tell you, it's not comparable at all. (And yes, I have indeed lived in both places, believe it or not.) People can debate the issue of illegal immigrants' rights all they want, I'm not one to get into arguments with people whose minds I have no hope of changing. All I'm saying, is that if our governor is telling us that 'reasonable suspicion' is left up to the discretion and best judgment of individual police officers in our state, there are going to be a lot of hispanic-looking Americans targetted and asked to provide their documentation simply because of their appearance. And this is why the legislation is being called racist. As an earlier poster said, until the cops start questioning blonde, white people about their citizenship status I'm going to believe that this is a horrible example of stereotyping an entire subset of our population. |
| 2010-04-27 12:54 PM in reply to: #2813206 |
| Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: Arizona I'm disappointed no one has brought up the obvious solution. Just put an RFID chip in every rightful citizens shoulder with scanners on all the sidewalks. If you're a citizen you walk on and nothing happens. If you don't have a chip a red light goes on and the cops come and take you away for further questioning. no messy problems with profiling, etc. If we can do it for my dog, why not us? It'll save a ton of money on enforcement. |
| 2010-04-27 12:56 PM in reply to: #2820079 |
| Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: Arizona drewb8 - 2010-04-27 1:54 PM I'm disappointed no one has brought up the obvious solution. Just put an RFID chip in every rightful citizens shoulder with scanners on all the sidewalks. If you're a citizen you walk on and nothing happens. If you don't have a chip a red light goes on and the cops come and take you away for further questioning. no messy problems with profiling, etc. If we can do it for my dog, why not us? It'll save a ton of money on enforcement. That would be double plus ungood. |
| 2010-04-27 12:58 PM in reply to: #2820029 |
| Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Arizona ride_like_u_stole_it - 2010-04-27 1:41 PM I wonder how many undocumented Irishmen this law will catch? Obama is on that one...<rolleyes> http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/obama-to-tackle-illegal-immigrants-from-ireland-14251332.html However considering there are only 2500 -3500 illegal Irish out of 11 million illegal aliens I would not be worrying about it too much. |
| 2010-04-27 1:01 PM in reply to: #2820087 |
| Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: Arizona meherczeg - 2010-04-27 11:56 AM drewb8 - 2010-04-27 1:54 PM I'm disappointed no one has brought up the obvious solution. Just put an RFID chip in every rightful citizens shoulder with scanners on all the sidewalks. If you're a citizen you walk on and nothing happens. If you don't have a chip a red light goes on and the cops come and take you away for further questioning. no messy problems with profiling, etc. If we can do it for my dog, why not us? It'll save a ton of money on enforcement. That would be double plus ungood. That expression is AWESOME! You are win! |
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| Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Arizona TriRSquared - 2010-04-27 10:07 AM JoshR - 2010-04-27 12:05 PM TriRSquared - 2010-04-27 9:55 AM Renee - 2010-04-27 11:39 AM I care about the Bill of Rights. This bill smacks of being UnAmerican; let the chips fall where they may. Funny. The very people we are talking about are not covered by the Bill of Rights. That's a right of the citizens. Seems very American to me. I am always perplexed by this stance. Everyone here who isn't a Native American was an "illegal immigrant" back in the day, and now that we are in charge we are trying to limit the number of people who can enjoy our freedoms. If all of these rights truly are rights, it would seem to me that they are universal. Obviously we can't extend them to people who are outside of our jurisdiction, but for those who are within our jurisdiction, we can. The Declaration of Independence isn't the constitution, but this to me makes it clear We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights... Instead, we have people who are trying to say you can have our country's rights, but you have to fill out a piece of paper, pay a fee and wait in line for 5-10 years, unless of course you were born here. You must have a process. Otherwise it would be a free for all. Are you in favor of just opening the borders and letting anyone walk in and be "American"? I am in favor of open borders. This country was founded on open immigration. Removing the threat of exposing someones illegal status would do many of the thigns being proposed in this thread. Employers wouldn't be able to get away with paying below minimum wage or taking advantage of the illegal workers. Besides if you allow the government to establish who can be a citizen, then the government can also establish who is not a citizen. I cannot imagine there are more than a handful of countries where you could do this (if any at all). Why should we be the exception? Since when have you advocated following all of the other countries lead? We are were one of a few countries without some sort of nationalized healthcare, do you support changing that? |
| 2010-04-27 1:33 PM in reply to: #2820200 |
| Master 1585 Folsom (Sacramento), CA | Subject: RE: Arizona JoshR - 2010-04-27 11:21 AM TriRSquared - 2010-04-27 10:07 AM JoshR - 2010-04-27 12:05 PM TriRSquared - 2010-04-27 9:55 AM Renee - 2010-04-27 11:39 AM I care about the Bill of Rights. This bill smacks of being UnAmerican; let the chips fall where they may. Funny. The very people we are talking about are not covered by the Bill of Rights. That's a right of the citizens. Seems very American to me. I am always perplexed by this stance. Everyone here who isn't a Native American was an "illegal immigrant" back in the day, and now that we are in charge we are trying to limit the number of people who can enjoy our freedoms. If all of these rights truly are rights, it would seem to me that they are universal. Obviously we can't extend them to people who are outside of our jurisdiction, but for those who are within our jurisdiction, we can. The Declaration of Independence isn't the constitution, but this to me makes it clear We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights... Instead, we have people who are trying to say you can have our country's rights, but you have to fill out a piece of paper, pay a fee and wait in line for 5-10 years, unless of course you were born here. You must have a process. Otherwise it would be a free for all. Are you in favor of just opening the borders and letting anyone walk in and be "American"? I am in favor of open borders. This country was founded on open immigration. Removing the threat of exposing someones illegal status would do many of the thigns being proposed in this thread. Employers wouldn't be able to get away with paying below minimum wage or taking advantage of the illegal workers. Besides if you allow the government to establish who can be a citizen, then the government can also establish who is not a citizen. I cannot imagine there are more than a handful of countries where you could do this (if any at all). Why should we be the exception? Since when have you advocated following all of the other countries lead? We are were one of a few countries without some sort of nationalized healthcare, do you support changing that? This country may have been founded on open immigration, but that was also during a time when people did not depend on the government to support them. As the role of our government has changed, so must our immigration policies. |
| 2010-04-27 1:34 PM in reply to: #2820200 |
| Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: Arizona JoshR - 2010-04-27 2:21 PM TriRSquared - 2010-04-27 10:07 AM JoshR - 2010-04-27 12:05 PM TriRSquared - 2010-04-27 9:55 AM Renee - 2010-04-27 11:39 AM I care about the Bill of Rights. This bill smacks of being UnAmerican; let the chips fall where they may. Funny. The very people we are talking about are not covered by the Bill of Rights. That's a right of the citizens. Seems very American to me. I am always perplexed by this stance. Everyone here who isn't a Native American was an "illegal immigrant" back in the day, and now that we are in charge we are trying to limit the number of people who can enjoy our freedoms. If all of these rights truly are rights, it would seem to me that they are universal. Obviously we can't extend them to people who are outside of our jurisdiction, but for those who are within our jurisdiction, we can. The Declaration of Independence isn't the constitution, but this to me makes it clear We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights... Instead, we have people who are trying to say you can have our country's rights, but you have to fill out a piece of paper, pay a fee and wait in line for 5-10 years, unless of course you were born here. You must have a process. Otherwise it would be a free for all. Are you in favor of just opening the borders and letting anyone walk in and be "American"? I am in favor of open borders. This country was founded on open immigration. Removing the threat of exposing someones illegal status would do many of the thigns being proposed in this thread. Employers wouldn't be able to get away with paying below minimum wage or taking advantage of the illegal workers. Besides if you allow the government to establish who can be a citizen, then the government can also establish who is not a citizen. I cannot imagine there are more than a handful of countries where you could do this (if any at all). Why should we be the exception? Since when have you advocated following all of the other countries lead? We are were one of a few countries without some sort of nationalized healthcare, do you support changing that? So then there is no such thing as citizenship you can just come in any time you want?? There is a difference between having rules or procedures to be followed for immigration and not allowing immigration. Illegals would be just as welcome in this country as any one else except they chose to circumvent the process. This process is not new we have been doing it for ages or do you not remember what Ellis Island was for? |
| 2010-04-27 1:35 PM in reply to: #2820079 |
| Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: Arizona drewb8 - 2010-04-27 11:54 AM I'm disappointed no one has brought up the obvious solution. Just put an RFID chip in every rightful citizens shoulder with scanners on all the sidewalks. If you're a citizen you walk on and nothing happens. If you don't have a chip a red light goes on and the cops come and take you away for further questioning. no messy problems with profiling, etc. If we can do it for my dog, why not us? It'll save a ton of money on enforcement. that's it...genious! |
| 2010-04-27 1:56 PM in reply to: #2820200 |
| Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Arizona JoshR - 2010-04-27 2:21 PM I am in favor of open borders. This country was founded on open immigration. Removing the threat of exposing someones illegal status would do many of the thigns being proposed in this thread. Employers wouldn't be able to get away with paying below minimum wage or taking advantage of the illegal workers. Besides if you allow the government to establish who can be a citizen, then the government can also establish who is not a citizen. Since when have you advocated following all of the other countries lead? We are were one of a few countries without some sort of nationalized healthcare, do you support changing that? Wow. Not big on national security are you? I have no issue with immigration. I have an issue with unchecked immigration. I'm not advocating we follow other countries. I'm saying that you cannot roam 100% freely anywhere in the world. This country should be no exception. Edited by TriRSquared 2010-04-27 1:57 PM |
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| Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Arizona AcesFull - 2010-04-27 2:56 PM rayd - 2010-04-27 1:35 PM drewb8 - 2010-04-27 11:54 AM I'm disappointed no one has brought up the obvious solution. Just put an RFID chip in every rightful citizens shoulder with scanners on all the sidewalks. If you're a citizen you walk on and nothing happens. If you don't have a chip a red light goes on and the cops come and take you away for further questioning. no messy problems with profiling, etc. If we can do it for my dog, why not us? It'll save a ton of money on enforcement. that's it...genious! My concern is not with having to provide documentation, its with singling out one group. If the AZ law setup a requirement for ALL Arizonans to carry documentation, and to supply said documentation on request of law enforcement, I'd be okay with it. I mean, to be fair, perhaps AZ could just setup random checkpoints and look at everyone's documents, then there would be no question of racial profiling. I mean, if you are a legal citizen, you just present your papers, they get scanned and you're on your way. No biggie, right? Of course, people will complain about AZ becoming a police state, but those folks who are complaining don't seem to mind when the police state only applies to people other than themselves. What group is it singling out? It's singling out criminals. Guess what, lots of laws single out criminals. The law states that the immigration status of ALL suspects need to be checked. Have you EVER been stopped by a cop and NOT been asked for some form of ID? |
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| 2010-04-27 2:09 PM in reply to: #2820352 |
| Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Arizona AcesFull - 2010-04-27 3:03 PM They are not talking about stopping "suspects." They are talking about stopping anyone the police deem to be a possible immigrant. In AZ, that means Brown People. I have no problem with being ID'd randomly, or anytime I'm stopped for a possible crime. The AZ law makes it okay to ask me for ID just because I talk with a funny accent (which I've been developing with exposure to all the Minnesotans around me, you betcha). According to the law no. B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW 21 ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW 22 ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF 23 THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO 24 IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE 25 MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON, 26 EXCEPT IF THE DETERMINATION MAY HINDER OR OBSTRUCT AN INVESTIGATION. ANY 27 PERSON WHO IS ARRESTED SHALL HAVE THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS DETERMINED 28 BEFORE THE PERSON IS RELEASED. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE 29 VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 30 1373(c). A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, 31 CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT SOLELY 32 CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF 33 THIS SUBSECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR 34 ARIZONA CONSTITUTION. A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS 35 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW 36 ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: 37 1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE. 38 2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE. 39 3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL 40 IDENTIFICATION. So a cop is walking down the street and a Mexican is walking on the opposite side, he has no grounds to ask him for his ID. If the cop does this I would support him being fired. A cop walks into a store and 5 Mexicans run out the back. Guess what. That's probable cause. Edited by TriRSquared 2010-04-27 2:09 PM |
| 2010-04-27 2:12 PM in reply to: #2820320 |
| Veteran 663 Central Point | Subject: RE: Arizona AcesFull - 2010-04-27 11:56 AM rayd - 2010-04-27 1:35 PM drewb8 - 2010-04-27 11:54 AM I'm disappointed no one has brought up the obvious solution. Just put an RFID chip in every rightful citizens shoulder with scanners on all the sidewalks. If you're a citizen you walk on and nothing happens. If you don't have a chip a red light goes on and the cops come and take you away for further questioning. no messy problems with profiling, etc. If we can do it for my dog, why not us? It'll save a ton of money on enforcement. that's it...genious! My concern is not with having to provide documentation, its with singling out one group. If the AZ law setup a requirement for ALL Arizonans to carry documentation, and to supply said documentation on request of law enforcement, I'd be okay with it. I mean, to be fair, perhaps AZ could just setup random checkpoints and look at everyone's documents, then there would be no question of racial profiling. I mean, if you are a legal citizen, you just present your papers, they get scanned and you're on your way. No biggie, right? Of course, people will complain about AZ becoming a police state, but those folks who are complaining don't seem to mind when the police state only applies to people other than themselves. Every time I've been stopped by law enforcement the first thing they ask for is my ID. Am I the only person that this happens to? If so maybe my civil rights were being infringed upon. As I understand it as long as I can provide ID I have nothing to fear from this law provided that the ID has a citizen requirement. In OR there is that requirement to get a drivers license. |
| 2010-04-27 2:16 PM in reply to: #2820037 |
| Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Arizona megtrow - 2010-04-27 1:44 PM Zilla - 2010-04-27 10:27 AM Fitzy - 2010-04-27 9:52 AM marmadaddy - 2010-04-27 9:03 AM ADMIN NOTE: This thread is getting heated. There's some really good stuff here and yes, some of it is provocative to say the least. We'd rather not remove the thread because it's an important topic that people feel strongly about. Let's try to keep to the Guidelines for a Healthy Discussion. No Personal Attacks, No Generalizations. If you disagree with something, state why you disagree with it and what you believe, but do so within the rules of the site. Think this discussion is heated, try living here...... (but bring your proof of citizenship) Or here, a tad closer to the border .... Sigh. No kidding. ... to the guy who has said more than once now that this type of law already exists in Prince William County, VA: I don't think you can really say that it hasn't been a problem there, so it shouldn't be a problem here in AZ. Just for a moment, can you think about the demographic figures of the two places? How much of the population of PWC do you think is Hispanic, compared to here in Tucson?? I can tell you, it's not comparable at all. (And yes, I have indeed lived in both places, believe it or not.) People can debate the issue of illegal immigrants' rights all they want, I'm not one to get into arguments with people whose minds I have no hope of changing. All I'm saying, is that if our governor is telling us that 'reasonable suspicion' is left up to the discretion and best judgment of individual police officers in our state, there are going to be a lot of hispanic-looking Americans targetted and asked to provide their documentation simply because of their appearance. And this is why the legislation is being called racist. As an earlier poster said, until the cops start questioning blonde, white people about their citizenship status I'm going to believe that this is a horrible example of stereotyping an entire subset of our population. I have to point out that this is completely untrue because you have already lost your 4th amendment rights due to "reasonable suspicion" as per Terry vs. Ohio. Have you ever heard of a Terry Stop? You can be searched if law enforcement has a reasonable suspicion that you have committed, are committing, or are about to commit a crime. If it has not been an epidemic across the nation since 1968 then this changes nothing. If anything, this bill clarifies that it cannot be due to race. |
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| Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Arizona AcesFull - 2010-04-27 3:03 PM TriRSquared - 2010-04-27 1:59 PM AcesFull - 2010-04-27 2:56 PM rayd - 2010-04-27 1:35 PM drewb8 - 2010-04-27 11:54 AM I'm disappointed no one has brought up the obvious solution. Just put an RFID chip in every rightful citizens shoulder with scanners on all the sidewalks. If you're a citizen you walk on and nothing happens. If you don't have a chip a red light goes on and the cops come and take you away for further questioning. no messy problems with profiling, etc. If we can do it for my dog, why not us? It'll save a ton of money on enforcement. that's it...genious! My concern is not with having to provide documentation, its with singling out one group. If the AZ law setup a requirement for ALL Arizonans to carry documentation, and to supply said documentation on request of law enforcement, I'd be okay with it. I mean, to be fair, perhaps AZ could just setup random checkpoints and look at everyone's documents, then there would be no question of racial profiling. I mean, if you are a legal citizen, you just present your papers, they get scanned and you're on your way. No biggie, right? Of course, people will complain about AZ becoming a police state, but those folks who are complaining don't seem to mind when the police state only applies to people other than themselves. What group is it singling out? It's singling out criminals. Guess what, lots of laws single out criminals. The law states that the immigration status of ALL suspects need to be checked. Have you EVER been stopped by a cop and NOT been asked for some form of ID? They are not talking about stopping "suspects." They are talking about stopping anyone the police deem to be a possible immigrant. In AZ, that means Brown People. I have no problem with being ID'd randomly, or anytime I'm stopped for a possible crime. The AZ law makes it okay to ask me for ID just because I talk with a funny accent (which I've been developing with exposure to all the Minnesotans around me, you betcha). No.. you are talking about that because you are opposed to the bill and refuse to acknowledge the facts. |
| 2010-04-27 2:23 PM in reply to: #2820037 |
| Veteran 663 Central Point | Subject: RE: Arizona megtrow - 2010-04-27 10:44 AM As an earlier poster said, until the cops start questioning blonde, white people about their citizenship status I'm going to believe that this is a horrible example of stereotyping an entire subset of our population. Do you think there is a large group of blonde white Illegal Immigrants in Arizona? |
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