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2012-08-28 1:13 PM
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spudone - 2012-08-28 12:53 PM

Shoe photos on my training log.  I'll pass em along to Zoot

That is ridiculous!! Definitely give Zoot a shout. Unacceptable.  

Hello Adrienne. You seem to run a lot.



2012-08-28 1:17 PM
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Fred D - 2012-08-28 12:51 PM

Had a brief run today.

I am going to be doing the BarryP 3-2-1 run plan this year with the idea of focusing on HIMs next year.

Anyone have any experience with 3-2-1? I really like the layout of it all.

Never done it myself, but I know there are some good BTr's in the Georgia state forum that have enjoyed HUGE (like OA placement huge) improvements using the BarryP plan...

2012-08-28 1:20 PM
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spudone - 2012-08-28 1:53 PM

Shoe photos on my training log.  I'll pass em along to Zoot

. Yeah I bet they will take care of you and give some free sets of shoes. Never heard of that with shoes....

A volunteer actually saw it and was yelling "39" at me.  Took a minute for me to stop as I realized she was yelling my age on my calf.  She runs up with some glue.  Didn't hold very long but that was pretty awesome.

 

Btw: I like their shoes in general.  This is my 3rd pair... never had a problem before.

Thanks for reminding me to put "duct tape" in the Special Needs sublists of my gazillion, gazillion-item Ironman lists.

I actually do have duct tape in the bike saddlebag and put some in the run special needs, but for some reason it just isn't on the lists.

2012-08-28 1:22 PM
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TankBoy - 2012-08-28 1:17 PM
Fred D - 2012-08-28 12:51 PM

Had a brief run today.

I am going to be doing the BarryP 3-2-1 run plan this year with the idea of focusing on HIMs next year.

Anyone have any experience with 3-2-1? I really like the layout of it all.

Never done it myself, but I know there are some good BTr's in the Georgia state forum that have enjoyed HUGE (like OA placement huge) improvements using the BarryP plan...

 

May I also suggest combining it with the ST 100day/run challenge that starts about mid December.

The two work really well together.

2012-08-28 1:25 PM
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Fred D - 2012-08-28 12:50 PM
juniperjen - 2012-08-28 10:58 AM

I don't have much to add to the taper discussion ... however just want to throw out my current dilemma and see what you think.

So, I was swim training with a coached group from March to now - the next session starts mid-September and runs Monday and Wednesday evenings until the end of June.  Hubby and I have worked out the cost (it is expensive) but I have really enjoyed the swim group and getting good feedback on how to improve and having workouts set as well as the motivation of other triathletes to swim with.  

Now with the go on the cost, I have to decide whether or not to do it.

My real issue is kind of two fold:

1.  The time. I could access two local community pools most nights of the week and would save some travel time. The community pools are less than ideal and only have about an hour of lane swim.   I do like to be home and cook and after all the ironman training part of me just wants to not have a weeknight commitment.  (The swim coach can't get the pool to give her morning time slots - which would be ideal)

2. Training focus: I am not sure what the next year really holds in terms of training and racing.  We are hoping to start a family but I don't want to drop everything all at once - however, how much do i need to spend 2.5 hours a week with a training group?  I can likely still do shorter quality workouts on my own - but will i?

What say you? Should I sign up?

My thoughts....

Swimming is great. It's great fitness and it is fun when you do enough to be proficient. It is also a way to maintain and build aerobic fitness, so *I* think the benefits are well beyond the swim split improvement.

Worst thing about swimming is the return of investment (ROI) for time. ie; when I'm most time compressed I struggle to make it to the pool as there is more travel time etc then just running out the door.

I would do it Jen as it sounds like a fun group activity.

I have found that bolded part to be really true in my case!

ChrisM - 2012-08-28 12:53 PM 

Even if you are starting a family, swimming will be the one thing you can really carry through the entire process.

I have no personal experience, but this sure seems to be the case. Do you have a masters swim option that would be more convenient - maybe this could help you split the difference? 

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2012-08-28 1:29 PM
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spudone - 2012-08-28 1:53 PM

Shoe photos on my training log.  I'll pass em along to Zoot

Dang  - between your shoes and Fred's race pic it looks like there is a lot of heel-striking going on in this-here group....

2012-08-28 1:32 PM
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TankBoy - 2012-08-28 11:29 AM
spudone - 2012-08-28 1:53 PM

Shoe photos on my training log.  I'll pass em along to Zoot

Dang  - between your shoes and Fred's race pic it looks like there is a lot of heel-striking going on in this-here group....

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Fred D - 2012-08-28 3:11 PM BTW a lot of my posts are getting pulled in tri talk today, so if I get banned, make sure to visit my blog....

Hey - don't go and do that!



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I asked this before and have now lost the answer - put it somewhere safe...

I'm borrowing a 404 for the HIM, and want to runa latex tube.  Plan to use a 60mm Michelin Aircomp.  Can I couple that particular tube with a zipp extender? 

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Swimming is great. It's great fitness and it is fun when you do enough to be proficient. It is also a way to maintain and build aerobic fitness, so *I* think the benefits are well beyond the swim split improvement.

I have found that bolded part to be really true in my case!

+1, it is worth way more than saving a minute or two overall.  The fitness benefits are huge, the comfort factor in the water is huge as well.  Being able to get out of the water relaxed and with minimum energy spent is worth a ton in my books.

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2012-08-29 7:43 AM
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Fred D - 2012-08-28 3:11 PM BTW a lot of my posts are getting pulled in tri talk today, so if I get banned, make sure to visit my blog....

 

WOW! 

What kind of truth are you spreading?  Some people can’t handle the truth it offends them.   

 

 

 

2012-08-29 7:50 AM
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TriAya - 2012-08-28 1:30 PM

Whew. I think I finally caught up. If anyone feels ignored, I have a {MELON PRESS} for you!

Been very busy myself at my folks' place--just a lot of old-age and for my dad end-of-life issues, always so many things to take care of. Also here it was the biggest holiday of the year, the celebrations for the end of Muslim Ramadhan fasting month, so we had a big all-day party at the house last weekend so it's kind of been like what the Christmas/New Year's week would be for Christians. (I'm Christian. Half our family is Muslim and the other half is mostly Christian with some awesome pagans and atheists thrown in to keep us humble). But most people in Indonesia are Muslim.

Also, I was pretty sick, mostly in bed last week. I've been nowhere near as sick lately as the last two years (hard to beat the tropical plagues for all-out sick), but it seems to me I might be somewhat broken down from all that, and seem to catch everything contagious that comes around. I might not be cut out for Ironman-volume training right now. I don't know. Just some things to think about.

Ahh Ramadan.  I lived through a few of those in Yemen.  It seems most people (for that month) will flip their days to night.
 
I hope you are feeling better. 

 

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Swimming is great. It's great fitness and it is fun when you do enough to be proficient. It is also a way to maintain and build aerobic fitness, so *I* think the benefits are well beyond the swim split improvement.

I have found that bolded part to be really true in my case!

+1, it is worth way more than saving a minute or two overall.  The fitness benefits are huge, the comfort factor in the water is huge as well.  Being able to get out of the water relaxed and with minimum energy spent is worth a ton in my books.

. Agree, but to me swimming is non impact aerobic fitness as well and in the end your aerobic engine is what counts for so much in this sport. Again poor ROI for time spent in some ways, but swimming is something I really want to do more of this coming year.

At the end of this week I'll pass my swim total for all of 2011 - and that's after not doing much for the first quarter of ths year.  I've been spending anwhere from 3-5 sessions per week, usually 4, in the pool since May.  I'm not really any faster, which is pretty disappointing, but I do contribute the improved race results to the fact that I'm much stronger coming out of the water, and hence much stronger overall.

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2012-08-29 8:33 AM
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Thanks for all the thoughts on swimming.  I definitely take the point about pushing myself not only with a coach but other triathletes.  I am just not strong enough to know if i am doing the right things in the pool.  I do like it and it would be nice structure for an otherwise unstructured year coming up - so i sent a note to the coach.  It turns out i am too late though, the session I want is full.  On the waiting list.  We'll see.

My other challenge i think for the winter will be to try to improve my bike.  I will definitely look at doing Jorge's plan over the winter - it's just I don't really like the trainer. And i think following through with the plan will take some huge mental effort.

Still, for now, I am going to take it easy until the weather starts to turn. Nice weekend rides and training for an upcoming trail run which should be fun.

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Yanti, holy cow - that is a busy, crazy time - and you're ironman training ... life really gets in the way sometimes. 
2012-08-29 8:43 AM
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Fred D - 2012-08-28 12:51 PM

Had a brief run today.

I am going to be doing the BarryP 3-2-1 run plan this year with the idea of focusing on HIMs next year.

Anyone have any experience with 3-2-1? I really like the layout of it all.

I would definitely recommend it.  I did it last winter building from 25mpw to 40mpw and was a great way to build mileage safely and effectively...and I got faster!  Eventually started adding in tempo runs once/wk.  If you can read all the BarryP articles on Slowtwitch those are all very good reads as well.

As I was adding volume to my run I lowered volume and increased intensity on the bike.  I did not have much issue with recovery.  Ran 6x week, cycled 3-4x week, swam 2x wk.

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axteraa - 2012-08-28 5:12 PM

Swimming is great. It's great fitness and it is fun when you do enough to be proficient. It is also a way to maintain and build aerobic fitness, so *I* think the benefits are well beyond the swim split improvement.

I have found that bolded part to be really true in my case!

+1, it is worth way more than saving a minute or two overall.  The fitness benefits are huge, the comfort factor in the water is huge as well.  Being able to get out of the water relaxed and with minimum energy spent is worth a ton in my books.

I agree with this completely. After my two halfs that i actually swim trained for, i was much more comfortable out of the water for my bike legs. The sprint i did, where i had to go harder to not lose time to the front guys(which i did anyway) i got out of the water and had a hard time finding rhythm till the second lap of the bike (cost me around a minute or so) i could not recover from the swim and get to max effort for the start of the bike because i had not swim trained. 

I would venture to say that if  you are not strong on the bike, this might even be a bigger issue.

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