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2013-01-22 9:15 AM
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50 min run at -19C. Ice, snow, this sucks. I think I am going to go run elsewhere.

That's what I have in store for my run at lunch.  Except the -19 is with windchill for me, not actual temp...  brrr

Dragged myself out of bed this morning and could hear the wind - ugh, I want to go back to bed!  Then I though of Arend in -27C, and figured I'm tougher than him Wink, so I'll just HTFU.  Crap, it was cold, -12C, but -25C with the wind.  My face suffered a bit, but it was my thighs when I was straight into the wind.  They were stinging - when I got home, I realzed that parts were bright red.  So I think I may have gotten a little bit of wind burn.

Picked the wrong week to try and work on my run consistency....

My wife asked why I didn't think to run at the 200M indoor track instead.  I actaully forgot that it existed.

Nice job Neil.  You made the right choice, the track would have drove you crazy.  When I run in the cold my belly for some reason gets really red, even if I dress perfectly and am not that cold. 

For both of you, how is the windproofing on what you're wearing? I find that the colder the air, the more it will seem to just penetrate right through otherwise warm things.

And Kim, how is the overlap at the waist level between top & bottom garments? I've had that ring show up on the mid section when there wasn't very much, even if I didn't feel it during the run.



2013-01-22 9:20 AM
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brigby1 - 2013-01-22 11:15 AM
bzgl40 - 2013-01-22 8:59 AM 

Nice job Neil.  You made the right choice, the track would have drove you crazy.  When I run in the cold my belly for some reason gets really red, even if I dress perfectly and am not that cold. 

For both of you, how is the windproofing on what you're wearing? I find that the colder the air, the more it will seem to just penetrate right through otherwise warm things.

And Kim, how is the overlap at the waist level between top & bottom garments? I've had that ring show up on the mid section when there wasn't very much, even if I didn't feel it during the run.

That ring is the reason I tuck my shirt into my tights any time it is cold.  Fortunately my vest covers up the fashion faux-pas.  

As to the smartwool question, there are definitely different levels of smartwool and how much warmth they will provide.  I have some of just about everything and adjust as needed.  The really thick stuff does make things a little tight in the running shoes though.

2013-01-22 9:21 AM
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marcag - 2013-01-22 7:43 AM

 

50 min run at -19C. Ice, snow, this sucks. I think I am going to go run elsewhere.

That's what I have in store for my run at lunch.  Except the -19 is with windchill for me, not actual temp...  brrr

Dragged myself out of bed this morning and could hear the wind - ugh, I want to go back to bed!  Then I though of Arend in -27C, and figured I'm tougher than him Wink, so I'll just HTFU.  Crap, it was cold, -12C, but -25C with the wind.  My face suffered a bit, but it was my thighs when I was straight into the wind.  They were stinging - when I got home, I realzed that parts were bright red.  So I think I may have gotten a little bit of wind burn.

Picked the wrong week to try and work on my run consistency....

My wife asked why I didn't think to run at the 200M indoor track instead.  I actaully forgot that it existed.

I think Marc is the current holder of the HTFU award with the temps he is running in!

2013-01-22 9:31 AM
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brigby1 - 2013-01-22 8:15 AM

And Kim, how is the overlap at the waist level between top & bottom garments? I've had that ring show up on the mid section when there wasn't very much, even if I didn't feel it during the run.

Oh it is not a ring, it is full on whole belly red.  It's very attractive.  I figure it must just be the way my body pulls blood to keep my core warm or some silly thing.  On really cold days I'll tuck in my t-shirt to make sure nothing is getting on up there but still does.

2013-01-22 10:01 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-22 9:21 AM

I think Marc is the current holder of the HTFU award with the temps he is running in!

I'm outta here. I'm going to run in Munich !! they have 3deg. I will bring my shorts.

 

 

 

2013-01-22 10:03 AM
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Got in a good ride yesterday and decided to go for a KOM.  Just under 2 miles at 7% grade.  Came up 15 seconds short, but I paced it pretty poorly.  Still managed 315 watts over 12:36 (on the roadie of course) so it's at least a good sign that fitness is coming back.  Still about 10+ watts short of my peak last summer, but way ahead of this time last year.


2013-01-22 10:20 AM
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brigby1 - 2013-01-22 10:11 AM

kcarroll - 2013-01-22 8:42 AM Quick question since we have quite a few arctic runners this week...is all smart wool created equal? Are there warmer options? My feet were pretty cold this morning. Was wearing one layer of smart wool under the all terrain Newtons. Normally I just wear cotton Balega socks until it gets into the 20's. Unless I buy a larger shoe, I don't have a lot of room for layering or the 'uber' heavy ski type socks. 

What smartwool specifically? Their ski/snowboard socks are still rather thin next something like their hiking socks, but are noticeably warmer than running/cycling socks. I'll go with ski plus a running sock in this weather and have been fine. The extremities can also get cold if the appendage is not warm enough.

I've mentioned Defeet before, but I use their thin wool socks - including this mornings run, and my feet are fine, and I'm running in Zoots (lots of ventilation).  If it were to actually get colder, then I'd consider a bit of duct tape on the outside of the shoes rather than running in thicker socks.

2013-01-22 11:13 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-21 10:21 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-22 7:31 AM
marcag - 2013-01-22 7:43 AM

 

50 min run at -19C. Ice, snow, this sucks. I think I am going to go run elsewhere.

That's what I have in store for my run at lunch.  Except the -19 is with windchill for me, not actual temp...  brrr

Dragged myself out of bed this morning and could hear the wind - ugh, I want to go back to bed!  Then I though of Arend in -27C, and figured I'm tougher than him Wink, so I'll just HTFU.  Crap, it was cold, -12C, but -25C with the wind.  My face suffered a bit, but it was my thighs when I was straight into the wind.  They were stinging - when I got home, I realzed that parts were bright red.  So I think I may have gotten a little bit of wind burn.

Picked the wrong week to try and work on my run consistency....

My wife asked why I didn't think to run at the 200M indoor track instead.  I actaully forgot that it existed.

I think Marc is the current holder of the HTFU award with the temps he is running in!

A phrase that gets bandied about here: "the crazy hedonism of the weekend" from Calvin and Hobbes . We actually call oatmeal "crazy hedonism". Now I'll have to add in the cold vector.

2013-01-22 11:20 AM
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45 minute run with strides this morning along the beach.  it was 58 degrees to start the run and I was way overdressed with a long sleeve tech shirt and a nike pullover.  Some people in tank tops.  So Cal in January 
2013-01-22 11:33 AM
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ChrisM - 2013-01-22 1:20 PM 45 minute run with strides this morning along the beach.  it was 58 degrees to start the run and I was way overdressed with a long sleeve tech shirt and a nike pullover.  Some people in tank tops.  So Cal in January 

Ok, this reminded me of something I saw this morning.  As I was parking my car before work I saw a woman running in shorts and no gloves....  Surprised

I'm all for HTFU and going hardcore but it's -14 with a -23 windchill!   

2013-01-22 11:41 AM
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ChrisM - 2013-01-22 1:20 PM 45 minute run with strides this morning along the beach.  it was 58 degrees to start the run and I was way overdressed with a long sleeve tech shirt and a nike pullover.  Some people in tank tops.  So Cal in January 

Ok, this reminded me of something I saw this morning.  As I was parking my car before work I saw a woman running in shorts and no gloves....  Surprised

I'm all for HTFU and going hardcore but it's -14 with a -23 windchill!   

I saw something similiar when we had our cold spell here.  I run hot when I run generally and I just couldn't figure out how she wasn't drying of cold



2013-01-22 11:51 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-22 11:33 AM

ChrisM - 2013-01-22 1:20 PM 45 minute run with strides this morning along the beach.  it was 58 degrees to start the run and I was way overdressed with a long sleeve tech shirt and a nike pullover.  Some people in tank tops.  So Cal in January 

Ok, this reminded me of something I saw this morning.  As I was parking my car before work I saw a woman running in shorts and no gloves....  Surprised

I'm all for HTFU and going hardcore but it's -14 with a -23 windchill!   

There's HTFU, and there is just ridiculous. I go out in the cold, but am dressed for it. So it's more of a mental thing. Some of the temps being discussed can actually cause damage.

2013-01-22 11:57 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-22 10:33 AM

ChrisM - 2013-01-22 1:20 PM 45 minute run with strides this morning along the beach.  it was 58 degrees to start the run and I was way overdressed with a long sleeve tech shirt and a nike pullover.  Some people in tank tops.  So Cal in January 

Ok, this reminded me of something I saw this morning.  As I was parking my car before work I saw a woman running in shorts and no gloves....  Surprised

I'm all for HTFU and going hardcore but it's -14 with a -23 windchill!   

I saw something similiar when we had our cold spell here.  I run hot when I run generally and I just couldn't figure out how she wasn't drying of cold

You know how I feel about cold! It's rainy season here which means I am bundled up like a Canuck pic is of me and my beloved adopted brotha-from-anotha-motha (New Yorker), you may have seen the pic in my blog.

I swam into a small(ish) monitor lizard during my swim today and thought of your running-into-weird-wildlife escapades.





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2013-01-22 12:26 PM
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TSimone - 2013-01-21 6:53 PM

Quick drive by to say hey to old groupies and introduce myself to the new ones.  I'll never catch the peleton but I may course cut in the coming days or weeks. 

Name: Tom

STORY:  Heading into my 3rd season of triathlon.  Lost a bit of weight in 2010 running and eating right and decided triathlon would be a good way to stay interested in keeping active, so I started racing in 2011.  No SBR background to speak of prior to 2011.  I'm slow, but I'm stubborn... 

FAMILY STATUS:  Married with 2 kids, 10 and 6. 

CURRENT TRAINING:  Not much.  Spent October-early January recovering from a hamstring injury.  Just started running 2 ish weeks ago.  Nicked up my left achilles and right glute last week so I'm trying to sort that out, both mentally and physically.       

2012 RACES:  1 Oly, 1 iron distance.  Oly was a PR and the Rev3 full was my first 140.6, so all in all a successful season. 

2013 RACES:  If injuries don't get in the way I'm planning on 5 races this year.  All Sprint/Oly's and a half in September.  Would like to do the half at Williambsburg but I'm not sure I can be ready for it in time so I'll probably do the Oly.  Figure since we'll be there that week I may as well race.  Laughing

WHAT WOULD MAKE ME A GOOD MEMBER OF THIS GROUP:  Right now, not much as I'm buried at work.  But when things are normal I think I'm a pretty good group member because I try to contribute, provide encouragement and stay engaged with the topics.  I'm not the most astute triathlete by any means but I try to educate myself and help out when I can.  And I'm certainly not afraid to ask questions.

I'll eventually get dialed in but for now just wanted to stop by and say hey.  Hope you're all doing well.     

Tom - good to hear from you again!. I would say, "You should stop by more often," but that takes the pot calling the kettle black to a whole 'nuva level.

Seriously though, welcome back. Hoping you have a successful 2013.

- Brian

2013-01-22 12:31 PM
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tri808 - 2013-01-22 11:03 AM Got in a good ride yesterday and decided to go for a KOM.  Just under 2 miles at 7% grade.  Came up 15 seconds short, but I paced it pretty poorly.  Still managed 315 watts over 12:36 (on the roadie of course) so it's at least a good sign that fitness is coming back.  Still about 10+ watts short of my peak last summer, but way ahead of this time last year.

That is awesome Jason....I am living vicariously though you, because in reality, I'm wayyyy behind this time last year. Keep it up - KOM's are coming.

- Brian

2013-01-22 1:13 PM
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Man, I go away for a little vacation and Fred gets deep with his questions about competition and the temporary nature of triathlon in many racers lives (sorry, just getting caught up). Really great and thought-provoking comments from everyone. I started bike racing in 1984, did my first duathlon in 1987, and first triathlon in 1992. I have seen a lot of people come and go in that time. Interstingly it seems that we have somehow beat the odds in that the friends that talked me into my first race are all still in it as well. We still train and race with each other and remain very close friends. The things that we share in common are that most of us are of similar age, married to spouses that also train and race with the same intensity and interest, none of us (for better or worse) have any children, most of us have our own businesses that allow for a lot of flexibility (I do not have my own business, but I do have the flexibility) and financially we have all managed to jump across the divide into the 1%. It is all of those life circumstances that have allowed ourselves to happily maintain the multisport/endurance sport lifestyle for as long as we have. I am not really sure if there is a point to these observations, except to say that I certainly get why many of the folks I have known personally through the years have gotten in and out of the triathlon part of endurance sport: it does take quite a bit of resources (time, focus, and $$) even if you do it on the "cheap." There are lots more efficient, less resource-intensive ways to get and stay healthy, which ultimately is the goal of most adult athletes.

This might sound funny and counterintuitive,, but I have actually seen many, many occasions where triathlon is actually the bridge activity that gets adult-onset athletes into single sport activities, instead of vice-versus, especially when it comes to cycling and swimming. Lots of adults find it much easier to jump into a triathlon (where quite honestly you don't have to be able to do any of the disciplines very well to finish) than to try a criterium or a masters swim meet. I think that is really, really cool that triathlon has a relatively low threshold of entry and thus can allow folks the experience and confidence to try competing in more specialized sports.



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tri808 - 2013-01-22 11:03 AMGot in a good ride yesterday and decided to go for a KOM.  Just under 2 miles at 7% grade.  Came up 15 seconds short, but I paced it pretty poorly.  Still managed 315 watts over 12:36 (on the roadie of course) so it's at least a good sign that fitness is coming back.  Still about 10+ watts short of my peak last summer, but way ahead of this time last year.
Hey Jason - very nice work, indeed - I just read that in my daily Strava update as I was catching up on email. Looks like Chris had a pretty good ride yesterday as well....
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KateTri1 - 2013-01-22 8:43 AM

This is the horrible weather I had to deal with on my ride  Sunday. it was a bit cloudy and about 65 degrees. I wore my ear warmers. It reminded me of Wisconsin in September.

Those little sand piles in the field are beetle nests. They dig deep holes and leave sand piles in the grass. 

 

Hoo, careful now, Kate - you might get kicked out of the group for riding in weather like that...We don't train unless it is below freezing.

2013-01-22 1:56 PM
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TankBoy - 2013-01-22 11:20 AM
tri808 - 2013-01-22 11:03 AMGot in a good ride yesterday and decided to go for a KOM.  Just under 2 miles at 7% grade.  Came up 15 seconds short, but I paced it pretty poorly.  Still managed 315 watts over 12:36 (on the roadie of course) so it's at least a good sign that fitness is coming back.  Still about 10+ watts short of my peak last summer, but way ahead of this time last year.
Hey Jason - very nice work, indeed - I just read that in my daily Strava update as I was catching up on email. Looks like Chris had a pretty good ride yesterday as well....

Yeah, I was logging them there for a while, but between BT (which is my main one), garmin connect, strave, and now with a coach training peaks, I found trying to keep everything logged was a chore.  Yesterday my garmins were dead so had to use the phone app.

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marcag - 2013-01-22 7:43 AM

 

50 min run at -19C. Ice, snow, this sucks. I think I am going to go run elsewhere.

That's what I have in store for my run at lunch.  Except the -19 is with windchill for me, not actual temp...  brrr

Dragged myself out of bed this morning and could hear the wind - ugh, I want to go back to bed!  Then I though of Arend in -27C, and figured I'm tougher than him Wink, so I'll just HTFU.  Crap, it was cold, -12C, but -25C with the wind.  My face suffered a bit, but it was my thighs when I was straight into the wind.  They were stinging - when I got home, I realzed that parts were bright red.  So I think I may have gotten a little bit of wind burn.

Picked the wrong week to try and work on my run consistency....

My wife asked why I didn't think to run at the 200M indoor track instead.  I actaully forgot that it existed.

Nice job Neil.  You made the right choice, the track would have drove you crazy.  When I run in the cold my belly for some reason gets really red, even if I dress perfectly and am not that cold. 

For both of you, how is the windproofing on what you're wearing? I find that the colder the air, the more it will seem to just penetrate right through otherwise warm things.

And Kim, how is the overlap at the waist level between top & bottom garments? I've had that ring show up on the mid section when there wasn't very much, even if I didn't feel it during the run.

Overlap at waist is fine. At the ankle, not so much. Inseam and height make it hard to find tights that are long enough, although todays issues were my toes. I have no clue what brand of smart wools I own but they aren't smart enough. I'll check out some other options mentioned. I also like your idea about duct tape. 

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KateTri1 - 2013-01-22 8:43 AM

This is the horrible weather I had to deal with on my ride  Sunday. it was a bit cloudy and about 65 degrees. I wore my ear warmers. It reminded me of Wisconsin in September.

Those little sand piles in the field are beetle nests. They dig deep holes and leave sand piles in the grass. 

 

Hoo, careful now, Kate - you might get kicked out of the group for riding in weather like that...We don't train unless it is below freezing.

Haha..I agree..you look way too comfortable in that picture Tongue out.  I had icicles coming off my eyelashes when I got home from my run today!



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Then you guys will love pics of my ride on Monday

 

 

2013-01-22 2:20 PM
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And Saturday was nice too....

 

2013-01-22 2:31 PM
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I'll refrain from posting pictures.  But I will say that I'm glad this week isn't as cold as last week.  Morning run was around 73...where last week it was closer to 63.  Brrr...

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And Kim, how is the overlap at the waist level between top & bottom garments? I've had that ring show up on the mid section when there wasn't very much, even if I didn't feel it during the run.

Oh it is not a ring, it is full on whole belly red.  It's very attractive.  I figure it must just be the way my body pulls blood to keep my core warm or some silly thing.  On really cold days I'll tuck in my t-shirt to make sure nothing is getting on up there but still does.

I have been having the same problem lately, and it is not even that cold here, relatively speaking. I think mine is just "jiggle friction." Somehow all of my running shirts seem to have shrunk just a bit over the winter - not sure how THAT happened.... :p

in both cycling and running I slip a pair of tall silk socks on underneath my smart wools whenever it is cold enough to demand tights. A carryover from my adventure racing days where cold, wet feet are the norm, they wick moisture away incredibly well, add an extra layer of warmth, cover up that gap between the top of your socks and tights, and add almost no thickness to your socks.

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