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 2015-05-02 6:00 AM in reply to: Hot Runner |
Extreme Veteran  5722   |  Subject: RE: SBR "U"Your HR is actually very similar to mine. On say and an easy 10km I will finish my first km at 134ish and it will slowly climb to 146ish. In etxreme heat, for example last year in Vegas, maybe 152 for that same pace. In miami (2013) I ran a 1h36 by HR. I went back to the RR (hey they are cool to have) and I wrote thisI " I ended up being 152, 158, 159, 163 for the 3mile/5km segments with a pretty even pace. The first and last segments were dead even pace." I remember that hurting. I remember targetting 148 for the first quarter and not being able to. That run would not have been possible without a reasonable bike. |
| 2015-05-02 6:32 AM in reply to: marcag |
Pro 4482   NJ | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Marc, how do you think about or plan for HR drift/creep in training/racing other distances? You mentioned 5% for your HIM run. |
| 2015-05-02 7:08 AM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by kcarroll Marc, how do you think about or plan for HR drift/creep in training/racing other distances? You mentioned 5% for your HIM run. The 5% comes from a) what I see in a lot of my longer rides/runs. b) what this article mentions http://home.trainingpeaks.com/blog/article/aerobic-endurance-and-de... In a shorter race I am not sure what it would be or if I would even use it. I remember Olys, my HR would be roughly constant on the bike and would of course rise on the run. I think coincidently it would go from 160ish to 170ish on the run which is about 6% I am going for a longer run in a few minutes, I wonder what my decoupling will be Edited by marcag 2015-05-02 7:20 AM |
| 2015-05-02 2:25 PM in reply to: marcag |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by kcarroll The 5% comes from a) what I see in a lot of my longer rides/runs. b) what this article mentions http://home.trainingpeaks.com/blog/article/aerobic-endurance-and-de... In a shorter race I am not sure what it would be or if I would even use it. I remember Olys, my HR would be roughly constant on the bike and would of course rise on the run. I think coincidently it would go from 160ish to 170ish on the run which is about 6% I am going for a longer run in a few minutes, I wonder what my decoupling will be Marc, how do you think about or plan for HR drift/creep in training/racing other distances? You mentioned 5% for your HIM run. Use what, HR or the decoupling? And how short of a race? |
| 2015-05-02 2:39 PM in reply to: 0 |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by Hot Runner Have been thinking about this lately too as it relates to HIM pacing. I do most of my bike training by HR, and have thought about using the HRM in the race, but I probably won't. (Still debating. I'm horrible at transition, and really want to minimize the steps there. It's a Garmin 210 and don't want to wear it on the swim; might involve public indecency for a woman to put on the strap in T1. Plus it'll be so hot I'm not sure I want one more thing attached to my body.) What % of LTHR do people try to hit on the bike for a HIM? Judging from how i feel on long rides and runs that follow, I'm guessing that I could hold about 80%, maybe a bit higher, probably not 85%. (My LTHR for bike is 164, run 173.) When I do brick runs after the bike in the extreme heat here, what happens is that on a fairly easy run at Zone 2 effort, my HR will gradually climb, over the course of about 50 minutes/10 km from low Zone 2 (about 132) to the high limit of it (152-154), despite steady effort/pace. Have to think this is due to heat. So I don't know how useful it would be for pacing. I use it instead as a kind of ceiling--if I get onto Zone 3 on one of those bricks, I back off or even walk, because once I get there, I get overheated and start to feel sick. I don't think this would happen in moderate conditions. The "puke zone" in that case is pretty much in the 170's. It's hard for me to use the experience of my first HIM. To be honest, I felt like I was pushing the bike uncomfortably hard the whole time. I hadn't planned to ride that hard but the 40+ athletes got a head start on the swim, I was one of the first few dozen (and first woman) out of the water, and really WAS being passed by much of the field on the bike. Plus in retrospect I had a bad bike fit which made me less comfortable than I should have been, regardless of speed. Yet I had a strong run (12th overall including men) and the bike didn't seem to do me in. But that was in much more moderate conditions and not sure it's a risk I'd want to take in a race here. It's also hard for me to figure a goal pace because my training rides always include about 10 km total of riding to/from the industrial park with my seat lowered, in running shoes, not in aero, negotiating traffic. So although I'm averaging 29 kph for 90-105 km rides, maybe it's really closer to 30 when I'm actually in my race shoes/position. I think I will aim for 29-30 in the race, depending on conditions (mainly, wind) and play it by ear on the run. Don't know if that's too conservative, but in the heat, maybe better to go that way. What keeps you from swimming with the HR strap already on? That's what many do. I just put the watch on later (also a 210). Edited by brigby1 2015-05-02 2:39 PM |
| 2015-05-02 6:24 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Master 8249 Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Is it (I mean the sensor/battery) waterproof?? I can't find the info for it (I ordered it separately from the Garmin, which I won in a race). Definitely would put the watch on after as it is huge on me and would drive me nuts on the swim. That's one thing I worry abut fumbling with though in T1. Last HIM my T1 was over five minutes. Water was pretty cold, so I was shivering, plus dealing with a full wetsuit, but it was a really compact transition area, so that's bad. My last longer race (international distance) I lost my AG win because of bad T1. (No wetsuit either, just cold and spacey.) This time am ditching the hassle of arm coolers and taking my running watch on/off (since no need, as no wetsuit), as well as bike gloves (have tried it in training, don't need them) so hoping to really get things streamlined. |
| 2015-05-02 8:21 PM in reply to: 0 |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Got the Oa woman's today in a 5 miler. I has a couple women hot on my tail all the way up the mountain. I put a little space between us on a demoralizING climb but I lost them, in - get this (you'll love it Rusty) - the downhill!Now I'm off to Maui for some down time! Edited by Asalzwed 2015-05-02 8:22 PM |
| 2015-05-02 9:04 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by Asalzwed Got the Oa woman's today in a 5 miler. I has a couple women hot on my tail all the way up the mountain. I put a little space between us on a demoralizING climb but I lost them, in - get this (you'll love it Rusty) - the downhill!Now I'm off to Maui for some down time! Very nice! |
| 2015-05-02 9:06 PM in reply to: Hot Runner |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by Hot Runner Is it (I mean the sensor/battery) waterproof?? I can't find the info for it (I ordered it separately from the Garmin, which I won in a race). Definitely would put the watch on after as it is huge on me and would drive me nuts on the swim. That's one thing I worry abut fumbling with though in T1. Last HIM my T1 was over five minutes. Water was pretty cold, so I was shivering, plus dealing with a full wetsuit, but it was a really compact transition area, so that's bad. My last longer race (international distance) I lost my AG win because of bad T1. (No wetsuit either, just cold and spacey.) This time am ditching the hassle of arm coolers and taking my running watch on/off (since no need, as no wetsuit), as well as bike gloves (have tried it in training, don't need them) so hoping to really get things streamlined. Nothing on what type it is? The ones I know of are, and would think that any of these should be when you think of what they sit in for normal operation! I would have fried any one that wasn't. |
| 2015-05-02 9:14 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Veteran 2842 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by Asalzwed Got the Oa woman's today in a 5 miler. I has a couple women hot on my tail all the way up the mountain. I put a little space between us on a demoralizING climb but I lost them, in - get this (you'll love it Rusty) - the downhill!Now I'm off to Maui for some down time! (like)
Sweet! NOW do you feel like your downhill skillzzz are coming around? Did you try anything different, or just getting into the groove of it? Enjoy Maui (like anyone has to say THAT!). I'm off to Boston for a couple nights tomorrow (work conference). Will be the first time I've been home since moving to our new home. Actually kinda feels weird and I'm not sure why, but I'm looking forward to running the esplanade again! Matt |
| 2015-05-03 12:49 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
Master 8249 Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Not sure whether the monitor is waterproof--some sites say it is, some say it isn't. Certainly I get mine pretty drenched with sweat when I am biking and running in the heat. Swim is in the ocean, no wetsuit. The way my tri suit (one piece with built-in bra) is designed, I would have to swim with the HRM on or else totally disrobe in T1. There are changing tents, but don't want to do that. I can't find any model info on the monitor--think it's just the standard one that you can buy to sync with the various Garmin devices. The watch is a 210. |
| 2015-05-03 5:45 AM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by Asalzwed Got the Oa woman's today in a 5 miler. I has a couple women hot on my tail all the way up the mountain. I put a little space between us on a demoralizING climb but I lost them, in - get this (you'll love it Rusty) - the downhill!Now I'm off to Maui for some down time! Awesome, congrats! Have a great time in Maui! |
| 2015-05-03 3:00 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by axteraa Originally posted by Asalzwed Got the Oa woman's today in a 5 miler. I has a couple women hot on my tail all the way up the mountain. I put a little space between us on a demoralizING climb but I lost them, in - get this (you'll love it Rusty) - the downhill!Now I'm off to Maui for some down time! Awesome, congrats! Have a great time in Maui! Congratulations !!! |
| 2015-05-05 6:45 AM in reply to: marcag |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR "U" We were talking about HR, heat...... I got a call yesterday from the Unviversity of Ottawa who have received a lot of money to do research on heat, performance and to see if diabetics are affected more or less than regular folks. Apparently they are struggling to find type 2 diabetics, over 50 that do endurance sports in the heat. Go figure. So next week I will do VO2max testing, EKG stuff, something about a super precise calorimeter, dunked in water for fat measurement...... Sounds fun. Apparently I will know exactly how I react to heat. I could save them a lot of money and just say I suck in it, but apparently they want more. |
| 2015-05-05 7:49 AM in reply to: marcag |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by marcag We were talking about HR, heat...... I got a call yesterday from the Unviversity of Ottawa who have received a lot of money to do research on heat, performance and to see if diabetics are affected more or less than regular folks. Apparently they are struggling to find type 2 diabetics, over 50 that do endurance sports in the heat. Go figure. So next week I will do VO2max testing, EKG stuff, something about a super precise calorimeter, dunked in water for fat measurement...... Sounds fun. Apparently I will know exactly how I react to heat. I could save them a lot of money and just say I suck in it, but apparently they want more. Cool! Maybe they will pay for you to do races like St Croix and San Juan. |
| 2015-05-05 7:50 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR "U" I've had a bit of a cranky knee since Saturday. No idea what triggered it but running seems to flare it up, not happy! |
| 2015-05-05 7:59 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by axteraa I've had a bit of a cranky knee since Saturday. No idea what triggered it but running seems to flare it up, not happy! where, middle, outer, inner ? |
| 2015-05-05 8:01 AM in reply to: marcag |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by axteraa where, middle, outer, inner ? I've had a bit of a cranky knee since Saturday. No idea what triggered it but running seems to flare it up, not happy! Outer mostly. My shin on the same leg feels tense as well. I also tried foam rolling my IT band and calf but that was mostly a non event in that nothing seemed to be bothered by it. |
| 2015-05-05 8:31 AM in reply to: marcag |
Pro 4482 NJ | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by marcag We were talking about HR, heat...... I got a call yesterday from the Unviversity of Ottawa who have received a lot of money to do research on heat, performance and to see if diabetics are affected more or less than regular folks. Apparently they are struggling to find type 2 diabetics, over 50 that do endurance sports in the heat. Go figure. So next week I will do VO2max testing, EKG stuff, something about a super precise calorimeter, dunked in water for fat measurement...... Sounds fun. Apparently I will know exactly how I react to heat. I could save them a lot of money and just say I suck in it, but apparently they want more.
ummmm, have you asked how they're measuring core temp? Lol. Seriously though, I'm guessing they'll also be measuring sweat rate which will be informative. |
| 2015-05-05 12:57 PM in reply to: axteraa |
| Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by axteraa I've had a bit of a cranky knee since Saturday. No idea what triggered it but running seems to flare it up, not happy! yup.... dealing with a cranky calf. Issue arose on the outside two weeks ago, seemed to resolve, then moved to the middle on sunday's run. Looks like I'll be peaking in the fall! |
| 2015-05-05 1:05 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Pro 6191 | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by ChrisM Originally posted by axteraa I've had a bit of a cranky knee since Saturday. No idea what triggered it but running seems to flare it up, not happy! yup.... dealing with a cranky calf. Issue arose on the outside two weeks ago, seemed to resolve, then moved to the middle on sunday's run. Looks like I'll be peaking in the fall! Can me and my cranky hip join the club, too? Big self-massage session planned today. There will be a foam roller, an orb, a lacrosse ball, some tears, and a dog in my face. Beginning to think I was never meant to run marathons. |
| 2015-05-06 10:52 AM in reply to: marcag |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by marcagWe were talking about HR, heat......I got a call yesterday from the Unviversity of Ottawa who have received a lot of money to do research on heat, performance and to see if diabetics are affected more or less than regular folks.Apparently they are struggling to find type 2 diabetics, over 50 that do endurance sports in the heat. Go figure.So next week I will do VO2max testing, EKG stuff, something about a super precise calorimeter, dunked in water for fat measurement......Sounds fun.Apparently I will know exactly how I react to heat. I could save them a lot of money and just say I suck in it, but apparently they want more. Hey Marc - that is cool stuff, indeed. I cannot imagine a better candidate for such a study, nor do I imagine they will get someone who could make better use of the data and findings. I look forward to hearing what you see in the data. I tend to do very well in the heat (or at least seemingly better than most), but every year about this time I begin to wonder if this will be the year it changes. There seems to be a lot of studies out there that indicate our resilience to heat can decrease significantly as we get older. I was hoping this weekend I would find out with 4 hours in the mountains at 88 degrees, but at the moment I am sitting at the docs. I am either a) having a heart attack or b) suffering a bout of pericarditis. I have a history of the latter and am pretty sure that is what it is. If so, the. It is nothing that a round of high-dose NSAIDs can't fix, but if the former, well, I suppose I won't be climbing this weekend - heh. In all seriousness the first time I dealt with this I really did think I was dying: excruciating chest pain, difficulty breathing, etc. ah, well. Oh, and my Quarq broke again. Shipping it off for another warranty repair. This will be the 5 on in as many years. |
| 2015-05-06 11:24 AM in reply to: TankBoy |
| Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by TankBoy Originally posted by marcagWe were talking about HR, heat......I got a call yesterday from the Unviversity of Ottawa who have received a lot of money to do research on heat, performance and to see if diabetics are affected more or less than regular folks.Apparently they are struggling to find type 2 diabetics, over 50 that do endurance sports in the heat. Go figure.So next week I will do VO2max testing, EKG stuff, something about a super precise calorimeter, dunked in water for fat measurement......Sounds fun.Apparently I will know exactly how I react to heat. I could save them a lot of money and just say I suck in it, but apparently they want more. Hey Marc - that is cool stuff, indeed. I cannot imagine a better candidate for such a study, nor do I imagine they will get someone who could make better use of the data and findings. I look forward to hearing what you see in the data. I tend to do very well in the heat (or at least seemingly better than most), but every year about this time I begin to wonder if this will be the year it changes. There seems to be a lot of studies out there that indicate our resilience to heat can decrease significantly as we get older. I was hoping this weekend I would find out with 4 hours in the mountains at 88 degrees, but at the moment I am sitting at the docs. I am either a) having a heart attack or b) suffering a bout of pericarditis. I have a history of the latter and am pretty sure that is what it is. If so, the. It is nothing that a round of high-dose NSAIDs can't fix, but if the former, well, I suppose I won't be climbing this weekend - heh. In all seriousness the first time I dealt with this I really did think I was dying: excruciating chest pain, difficulty breathing, etc. ah, well. Oh, and my Quarq broke again. Shipping it off for another warranty repair. This will be the 5 on in as many years. Hope you're ok Rusty... hearing anything about chest pain like that scares the hell out of me. |
| 2015-05-06 12:20 PM in reply to: spudone |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Originally posted by spudone Originally posted by TankBoy Originally posted by marcagWe were talking about HR, heat......I got a call yesterday from the Unviversity of Ottawa who have received a lot of money to do research on heat, performance and to see if diabetics are affected more or less than regular folks.Apparently they are struggling to find type 2 diabetics, over 50 that do endurance sports in the heat. Go figure.So next week I will do VO2max testing, EKG stuff, something about a super precise calorimeter, dunked in water for fat measurement......Sounds fun.Apparently I will know exactly how I react to heat. I could save them a lot of money and just say I suck in it, but apparently they want more. Hey Marc - that is cool stuff, indeed. I cannot imagine a better candidate for such a study, nor do I imagine they will get someone who could make better use of the data and findings. I look forward to hearing what you see in the data. I tend to do very well in the heat (or at least seemingly better than most), but every year about this time I begin to wonder if this will be the year it changes. There seems to be a lot of studies out there that indicate our resilience to heat can decrease significantly as we get older. I was hoping this weekend I would find out with 4 hours in the mountains at 88 degrees, but at the moment I am sitting at the docs. I am either a) having a heart attack or b) suffering a bout of pericarditis. I have a history of the latter and am pretty sure that is what it is. If so, the. It is nothing that a round of high-dose NSAIDs can't fix, but if the former, well, I suppose I won't be climbing this weekend - heh. In all seriousness the first time I dealt with this I really did think I was dying: excruciating chest pain, difficulty breathing, etc. ah, well. Oh, and my Quarq broke again. Shipping it off for another warranty repair. This will be the 5 on in as many years. Hope you're ok Rusty... hearing anything about chest pain like that scares the hell out of me. x2, please let us know what they say. PS : stopped exposing the Quarq to gigawatts. |
| 2015-05-06 12:21 PM in reply to: spudone |
Master 2912 ...at home in The ATL | Subject: RE: SBR "U" Thanks - no worries though - diagnosis is pleurisy, not pericarditis, which I also have a history of. They are similar in nature: pericarditis is heart and pleurisy is lungs. Treatment is the same - just got NSAIDs in me - so hopefully the pain will resolve quickly. First time I dealt with this (about 20 years ago) I really did think I was having a heart attack though - it is pretty awful! |
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