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2014-02-28 9:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed.
Well, I got Threshold 1 and VO2 max 1 done, sort of, but I skipped the last interval on each. Lame, I know, especiallly since I didn't really feel that bad, it was totally mental, but I used my quads and 2 tough 12 hours shifts as an excuse. My quads don't even hurt anymore. There, I admitted it. But I figured a short workout was better than nothing.

Going to redeem myself on sweet spot tomorrow.

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2014-03-01 5:18 AM
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I need to get the tri bike re-assembled and back on the trainer .....booooooooo

I will publish next week's workouts tomorrow AM. Another travel day today and don't have access to the right computer

Is anyone without a workout to do :-) ?

Good job everyone. I think I am the most delinquent in testing and workouts....oops...gotta get back on track.
2014-03-01 8:32 AM
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Subject: RE: Power Mentor Group with Shane & Marc - Closed.
Good morning all,

Just completed this week training.. all went well,, once again Shane did not disapoint lol,, pretty tense already.. doing my THR1 I really thought I was not going to make it,, but I pulled it off... this week numbers TSS 281 watts 206...
Have a great weekend all
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2014-03-01 9:23 AM
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Finished the 1'40" Sweet Spot for Week 8. Tough but I did well. Few % higher on the 15' intervals and well above threshold on the last 10'. Feel good about the workout.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/453174265





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2014-03-01 1:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Week 8

Started the morning with my long run, then got home to do Week 8's Sweet Spot ride.  Through the first 15' interval, my legs were telling my brain they couldn't do it.  I told myself I had to at least do the second interval and maybe cut it short at an hour long ride....as soon as the second interval started, everything started feeling good.  I guess my legs just took a little longer to warm up today (probably a function of running first).  

Finished it up and felt really strong on the 10' interval at 95%, so I was very happy with that.  Hoping to get out for a long ride tomorrow (there's an organized 67 mile ride that I'm considering), but forecast is calling for rain / thunderstorms starting late morning.  

2014-03-01 5:58 PM
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Did week 8 SWE-1 this afternoon and it went pretty well. Felt a little slow in the beginning but it started to come together as the ride progressed.



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2014-03-02 6:28 AM
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Subject: Week 9
Good to see that people are getting the work done and also interesting (but not surprising) to see that several people have commented on the fact that the longer intervals tend to be harder than the shorter intervals. As I had mentioned, this is in part related to the fact that we were focused on shorter efforts through the first block which, while it will lead to improved FTP, does not help as much with the pacing of these efforts. This is why we are going to focus more on the longer intervals going forward as it will help you learn how to suffer through these workouts while continuing to build fitness.

This week I am going to start adding a long ride as an option, especially for those who have a long course race coming up. I have written it as though you have access to power but if you are doing it on the road and don’t have access to power, then try to keep with the spirit of the workout. With these, we will be targeting power levels that should be around what you would be looking at on race day. As Marc has pointed out several times, while it is common to hear a specific percentage of FTP given as the target for a successful HIM, these targets can be too aggressive for many which leads an athlete to thinking that they paced the bike well and it is the run and/or nutrition that let them down. Through these, you want to be trying to find an effort that feels right for you and including a short run (easy) off the bike with these can be very useful toward this end.

I hope everyone has a great week!

TTers
Workout 1 – VO2max 1
Workout 2 – Threshold 1
Workout 3 – VO2max 2

All Rounders
Workout 1 – Threshold 1
Workout 2 – VO2max 1
Workout 3 – Threshold 2 or Sweet Spot

Sprinters
Workout 1 – Threshold 1
Workout 2 – Threshold 2
Workout 3 – Sweet Spot

Long Course Race In The Near Future
Workout 1 – Threshold 1
Workout 2 – Sweet Spot
Workout 3 – Long Ride
Workout 4 (optional) – Threshold 2

VO2max 1 – 1:10:00
10:00 spin build to 65% of FTP
5x10s all out, 50s spin 60% FTP
5:00 spin 60% FTP
4x5:00 >105% FTP (hard), 3:00 60% FTP
3:00 spin 60% FTP
10:00 at 97% FTP
5:00 spin <60% FTP

VO2max 2 – 1:05:00
10:00 spin build to 65% of FTP
5:00 at 99% FTP
5:00 spin 60% FTP
5x1:30 at >110% FTP, 1:30 60% FTP
5:00 spin 60% FTP
5x1:00 at >112% FTP, 1:00 60% FTP
5:00 at <60% FTP
5:00 at 99% FTP
5:00 at <60% FTP

Threshold 1 – 1:20:00
10:00 spin build to 65% of FTP
5x30s >105% FTP, 30s 60% FTP
5:00 60% FTP
3x15:00 at 95% FTP, 3:20 60% FTP
5:00 60% FTP

Threshold 2 – 1:10:00
10:00 spin build to 65% of FTP
2x2:30 105% of FTP, 2:30 60% FTP
5:00 60% FPT
5x5:00 at 98% FTP, 1:30 60% FTP
2:30 60% FTP
5:00 97% FTP
5:00 60% FTP

Sweet Spot – 1:45:00
10:00 spin build to 65% of FTP
5:00 at FTP
5:00 60% FTP
2x30:00 at 89% FTP, 5:00 at 60% FTP
10:00 at 96% FTP
5:00 <60% FTP

Long Ride – 2:45:00
15:00 spin build to 65% of FTP
5x1:00 at FTP, 1:00 at 65% FTP
5:00 65% FTP
2x{
20:00 at 78% FTP
10:00 at 83% FTP
20:00 at 78% FTP
5:00 at 85% FTP
5:00 at 60% FTP}
10:00 steady 90% FTP
10:00 60% FTP
2014-03-02 7:25 AM
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Originally posted by gsmacleod

Good to see that people are getting the work done and also interesting (but not surprising) to see that several people have commented on the fact that the longer intervals tend to be harder than the shorter intervals. As I had mentioned, this is in part related to the fact that we were focused on shorter efforts through the first block which, while it will lead to improved FTP, does not help as much with the pacing of these efforts. This is why we are going to focus more on the longer intervals going forward as it will help you learn how to suffer through these workouts while continuing to build fitness.

This week I am going to start adding a long ride as an option, especially for those who have a long course race coming up. I have written it as though you have access to power but if you are doing it on the road and don’t have access to power, then try to keep with the spirit of the workout. With these, we will be targeting power levels that should be around what you would be looking at on race day. As Marc has pointed out several times, while it is common to hear a specific percentage of FTP given as the target for a successful HIM, these targets can be too aggressive for many which leads an athlete to thinking that they paced the bike well and it is the run and/or nutrition that let them down. Through these, you want to be trying to find an effort that feels right for you and including a short run (easy) off the bike with these can be very useful toward this end.

I hope everyone has a great week!

TTers
Workout 1 – VO2max 1
Workout 2 – Threshold 1
Workout 3 – VO2max 2

All Rounders
Workout 1 – Threshold 1
Workout 2 – VO2max 1
Workout 3 – Threshold 2 or Sweet Spot

Sprinters
Workout 1 – Threshold 1
Workout 2 – Threshold 2
Workout 3 – Sweet Spot

Long Course Race In The Near Future
Workout 1 – Threshold 1
Workout 2 – Sweet Spot
Workout 3 – Long Ride
Workout 4 (optional) – Threshold 2

VO2max 1 – 1:10:00
10:00 spin build to 65% of FTP
5x10s all out, 50s spin 60% FTP
5:00 spin 60% FTP
4x5:00 >105% FTP (hard), 3:00 60% FTP
3:00 spin 60% FTP
10:00 at 97% FTP
5:00 spin <60% FTP

VO2max 2 – 1:05:00
10:00 spin build to 65% of FTP
5:00 at 99% FTP
5:00 spin 60% FTP
5x1:30 at >110% FTP, 1:30 60% FTP
5:00 spin 60% FTP
5x1:00 at >112% FTP, 1:00 60% FTP
5:00 at <60% FTP
5:00 at 99% FTP
5:00 at <60% FTP

Threshold 1 – 1:20:00
10:00 spin build to 65% of FTP
5x30s >105% FTP, 30s 60% FTP
5:00 60% FTP
3x15:00 at 95% FTP, 3:20 60% FTP
5:00 60% FTP

Threshold 2 – 1:10:00
10:00 spin build to 65% of FTP
2x2:30 105% of FTP, 2:30 60% FTP
5:00 60% FPT
5x5:00 at 98% FTP, 1:30 60% FTP
2:30 60% FTP
5:00 97% FTP
5:00 60% FTP

Sweet Spot – 1:45:00
10:00 spin build to 65% of FTP
5:00 at FTP
5:00 60% FTP
2x30:00 at 89% FTP, 5:00 at 60% FTP
10:00 at 96% FTP
5:00 <60% FTP

Long Ride – 2:45:00
15:00 spin build to 65% of FTP
5x1:00 at FTP, 1:00 at 65% FTP
5:00 65% FTP
2x{
20:00 at 78% FTP
10:00 at 83% FTP
20:00 at 78% FTP
5:00 at 85% FTP
5:00 at 60% FTP}
10:00 steady 90% FTP
10:00 60% FTP





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2014-03-02 7:27 AM
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Hey folks

Try to think of topics you guys would like to discuss over the next few weeks.

I have a few ideas but I would like yours.
2014-03-02 9:24 AM
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Hey folks

Try to think of topics you guys would like to discuss over the next few weeks.

I have a few ideas but I would like yours.


Marc, I've got a quick question now that Shane has given us an optional long ride workout. You mentioned earlier a website that can help us with pacing our races - Best Bike Split. Would it not be as beneficial to download the mrc file from bestbikesplit with our defined power targets of the actual course we are racing and practice that?

Also, my new ftp went up by over 20 watts. I've adjusted the the workout intensity on trainerroad to about 92% on the last couple of workouts to be able too keep up. Is this ok to do for a couple of weeks until I get used to the increased workload?

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2014-03-02 11:49 AM
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Marc, I've got a quick question now that Shane has given us an optional long ride workout. You mentioned earlier a website that can help us with pacing our races - Best Bike Split. Would it not be as beneficial to download the mrc file from bestbikesplit with our defined power targets of the actual course we are racing and practice that?


That would also be a good workout. You aren't planning on doing a HIM on the trainer are you ? I would die.

Way back when, when I would do my long ride, I would simply do 3hrs at 80% and see how I did on a brick run. Then I started doing workouts similar to what Shane proposed...a little bit of 78-80% tempo, some slightly higher say 86% (simulates doing a hill), then a few mins at 60% (simulates going downhill). Mix it up as a hilly course would force you to do. At the end see my NP and AP, how I felt....

When I saw Shane's workout that's what I suspect he is doing. I don't know for sure, I didn't ask, but I really like that workout. But it could be tailored to your race specific.

For example if someone is doing a very hilly race but is training on flats. If they need to do 4 climbs. Do a 3hr workout, you could do 1/2warm up, 1/2 cool down with 4x(20' tempo, 6' at a bit under threshold, 4' recovery). Do the threshold at low cadence to simulate grinding up at hill.....You can play with the workout to mix it up and see how you react.

Yes, bestbikesplit will make it quite race specific and of course that is good.

Originally posted by littlewj
Also, my new ftp went up by over 20 watts. I've adjusted the the workout intensity on trainerroad to about 92% on the last couple of workouts to be able too keep up. Is this ok to do for a couple of weeks until I get used to the increased workload?


I personally don't see a problem. When I do my workouts, I do them by zone rather than specific targets and a zone is quote large. When my FTP is new I tend to be at the lower end of the range. When the top of the range is 'easy', it's time to retest. Also, nothing wrong with trying to hit the 100% targets at first and if you fade in the workout, so be it. Threshold for me is 92 to 106%, so you are in that zone.


Edited by marcag 2014-03-02 11:50 AM


2014-03-02 2:42 PM
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I did Threshold 1 / Threshold 2 / Sweet Spot earlier in the week and finished it up with a long, outdoor ride today.  I've been riding for just over two years now and got my first flat today....thankfully, no real issues changing it (it was the rear, which meant my fingers were greasy, so that was annoying, but no issues otherwise).  I even remembered to check the tire for any sharp objects and found that was exactly what caused it.

Plan for the long ride was about 60 miles with a "main set" of 18' @ 90%, 3' @ FTP, 4' recovery on the outbound leg, and holding a fairly steady 78% on the return leg.  This resulted in an NP of 83% and VI of 1.05, which is a little more aggressive than I'd like to be for my race, but my 30 minute run after felt decent.  Per Shane and Marc's advice, I started the first mile about 15s/mile slower than my target pace, then steadily increased pace for the following.  My running legs came to me about 1.5 miles in.  My run fitness still isn't where I'd like for it to be, so it's hard to judge if things are good.  Like I said, I do think the bike was paced aggressively, but that was done on purpose.

Interesting side note: I find Sweet Spot intervals to be quite nice outside (compared to on the trainer), but I find Threshold intervals to be worse outside.  I think that's probably because I can't allow myself to just stare at the screen and focus on holding that number, like I can on the trainer.  Gotta be cognizant of everything else going on outside. 

2014-03-02 3:15 PM
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Finished my weekly rides with an attempt at week 9's outdoor ride. Ended up with just under 58 miles in 3:09. The graph looks no where as nice as the trainer rides. My power jumps all over the place with turns, uphills, downhills, traffic, etc. Did a 20 minute run after the ride.

I cut the sweet spot ride short on Friday, so only ended up doing the first 2 - 15minute intervals.

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2014-03-02 4:14 PM
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Finally finished my testing. Wasn't sure where to start my 20' test so I decided to go with 10W above my average for the first test. I pretty much kept that up, occasionally went above that then with 5 minutes left to go I ramped it up. Like my 5' test, I'm wondering if I could have started higher and held on for a higher average. Regardless I am very happy with my results, especially the 20' test. My last 5' average was HIGHER than my original 5' test!

Short Test increased from 363W to 390W
Long Test increased from 313W to 334W
CP improved from 296W to 315W

Looking forward to week 8 workouts with higher FTP....or not ......



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2014-03-02 6:20 PM
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Nice job Reece. Solid in the 300 watt club. Doing these high quality workouts, I will be there before I know it.

Had end of quarter job duties this past week and just overall tiredness so I just got around to doing Week 8 Threshold 2 this afternoon. It was easier than Threshold 1. I was able to build power over the course of the 5 intervals.

Week 8 Threshold 2: TSS = 83 NP = 198

Thanks,
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2014-03-02 7:13 PM
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Originally posted by WaterRat

Nice job Reece. Solid in the 300 watt club. Doing these high quality workouts, I will be there before I know it.

Had end of quarter job duties this past week and just overall tiredness so I just got around to doing Week 8 Threshold 2 this afternoon. It was easier than Threshold 1. I was able to build power over the course of the 5 intervals.

Week 8 Threshold 2: TSS = 83 NP = 198

Thanks,
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Thanks Ron,

I'm really enjoying these workouts and seeing the results. Looks like everyone is improving which is fantastic. This mentor group ROCKS!


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2014-03-02 8:20 PM
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Did Threshold 1 & VO2-2 earlier this week and had planned to do either SS or Threshold 2 today but it was 70 & sunny out. I just couldn't resist heading out for a run (wish I could ride outside, perfect day for a ride, couple more weeks hopefully) and what a fabulous run it was. What a change from the snow & ice we had a couple of weeks ago.

So...I'll get up early tomorrow and get my last ride in.





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2014-03-02 10:25 PM
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Hey folks

Try to think of topics you guys would like to discuss over the next few weeks.

I have a few ideas but I would like yours.


This question won't apply to all but when I hit the outdoors I won't have a power meter (unless I win something). I'd like to incorporate some of these structured workouts into the outdoor rides by using other means of effort indication. I currently have not used the HRM but I was thinking if I did, I could get a general idea of a HR vs Power relationship and could use that during outdoor rides. Up until know I just rode, most of it at a medium to high effort but nothing structured.

Thoughts?
2014-03-03 5:53 AM
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Originally posted by marcag

Hey folks

Try to think of topics you guys would like to discuss over the next few weeks.

I have a few ideas but I would like yours.


This question won't apply to all but when I hit the outdoors I won't have a power meter (unless I win something). I'd like to incorporate some of these structured workouts into the outdoor rides by using other means of effort indication. I currently have not used the HRM but I was thinking if I did, I could get a general idea of a HR vs Power relationship and could use that during outdoor rides. Up until know I just rode, most of it at a medium to high effort but nothing structured.

Thoughts?


For sure you could. Start wearing a HRM. It's too bad you didn't use one for the test, you would have got an idea of your lactic threshold. But we will test again.
We can talk more about it when you have some HR data, but longer intervals, at tthreshold, tempo, aerobic you can do very well with a HRM.
You can get the equivalent of a TSS (Trimp score) with your HR data.
GC does a cool HR vs Power graph that you can use as well.
2014-03-03 6:44 AM
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I'm really enjoying these workouts and seeing the results. Looks like everyone is improving which is fantastic. This mentor group ROCKS!


What's really cool is these workouts have up'd your FTP but also created a strong base to work off.
As you get outdoors, do longer rides your ability to hold this power for longer periods of time will increase.
People are going to be much faster when race day comes. It's very hard to quantify because you can do the same race as last year and this year have wind and seem no faster. You may go at the same pace but be much faster on the run.

But I guarantee you, based on the numbers we are seeing, you are all stronger than when you started. And we have been doing this 8 weeks.

Guys like Rich, I look at the objective you wrote this year, you will have to have a bad day not to make it. IMO. That's just an example because I know that course and know what power is required to do what time. You all, without exception will do better than you ever have.

There is a lot of chatter right now in TT on the value of coaching. IMO, It's not the coaching per se, it's the very structured precise workouts.
But most people need a coach to provide those very specific structured workouts. You don't just make them up. There is logic and experience behind how they get composed. The problem is the people that have neither done them or seen the gains from doing them don't know what they don't know. So they discount the value of it.

I get the fact that not everyone can afford $x00 per month on a coach. But if you can't, find a "plan", understand the plan and stick to it. The structure, the precision and the right dosing of intensity at the right time is where the magic is.

But the same applies the other way. Not every "coach" knows how to build these plans. We were REALLY lucky to get Shane. Shane is not my coach, I only know him from his online presence and a few athletes he coaches. But I can tell you, there is a list of about 5 people I would trust with my coaching and Shane is one of them.

I am really happy we did this group. No doubt about it, it's a lot of work for everyone, but I really believe it's paying off.

And I do believe there is a very positive peer pressure factor. Yesterday I was doing that stupid 20' test and several times I thought to myself, "geez you can't be the only person not to do it".

I am actually pumped to start week 9. That should end after Threshold 1 :-)



2014-03-03 6:54 AM
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Did week9 THR-1 last night. I was a little unsure how it would go doing 3 days in a row of the workouts but since I had to cut my running back a little I decided to go for it. My plan for LP starts in a week and some of the weekend rides are preceded with a 30 to 40 minute run so I thought I'd give that a try with this workout. It felt pretty good(relative to what I expected...), those 15 minute intervals were tough & my focus definitely drifted during the second 15.

@Jim - I've used Best Bike Split to create the mrc file for Lake Placid. I don't plan on riding the entire 112 on the trainer! but I plan on editing the file to do sections. I haven't played around with it yet since I found it just as this group was starting up. I will probably start adding sections to the end of the SS rides for my long rides until the weather cooperates and I can do those outside.



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2014-03-03 8:25 AM
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My two kids are sick, and they brought me down with them. I was hoping for a quick recovery, but am on my third day and still feeling pretty lousy.

One topic that I found interesting, that was somewhat outside of the scope of Allen and Coggan's book and only briefly discussed was using a powermeter for aerodynamic testing.

The book gives general instructions, and goes over a few different methods, but my question would be as to what specific protocol is the "easiest," and will give the most useful data. And how exactly do you execute said protocol.
2014-03-03 12:54 PM
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Second TT in the books.  Finished right where I hoped as far as time and placing.  5th OA and 2nd 18-34 Cat 4/5.

http://www.strava.com/activities/117479459

The interesting part, which pertains to this group, is my power.  AP of 255 and NP of 264 (according to WKO+) when my goal was 290.  I held 294 for 23:15 last week, so 290 should have been doable for a 29ish minute effort.  And when you factor in that my speed and placing were pretty spot on as far my power goal, it leads me to belive either my power from yesterday, or my power from last week was wrong.  I tend to think it was yesterday that was the outlier considering the total baseline of testing info I have.

This may not apply to those using virtual power, but if you do have a PM, this is what I take away from this.

1.  PMs are accurate and precise.  Great for training, testing, and racing, except when they are not accurate and/or precise.  It's not just me either...a buddy of mine had his PT crap out on him a few weeks ago.  It was a little more obvious to him though.  Learn to trust your PM...but not as if your life depended on it.  

2.  Make sure to calibrate or auto zero your PM as much as possible.  I didn't do it in a while.  Just lazy.  That may have helped.  Weather yesterday was wet and a little on the cooler side than normal.  So that may have played a factor with my Quarq.

3.  When racing, don't use power as your only tool.  Use HR if possible and RPE.  I quickly was able to identify that my 290 watt goal was too high based on HR and RPE.  I made the adjustment early (within 2-3 minutes) and was still able to have a good race.  After about 4-5 minutes I was able to correlate that 255-260 watts was a more reasonalbe target based on HR and RPE, and it worked out pretty well as I paced it that way for the rest of the race without blowing up or having too much in the tank.

I think this is part of the learning process in using a power meter.  While there are some people who never experience a single problem with their PM, the majority will at one time or another.  They are still great tools, but I was able to save my race by making a quick adjustment instead of believing my PM numbers like they were the gospel.

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Hi Jason,

Can you post the power file ? I am looking for examples for some stuff I want to write



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