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 2014-09-11 1:52 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master  6834      Englewood, Florida |  Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?)Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by jmkizer My coach falls a bit between what TJ experienced and what Chris describes. I do not have coached sessions or group workouts with Maija, however I do have a customized 100% not cookie-cutter training plan. Working with Maija has helped me stretch myself,organize my training, improved my cycling and running performance,got me into the pool and yoga studio, got me in touch with the right professionals from shoe fitting to bike fitting to medical assistance. In short, Maija is my "other mom." The customized training plans are helpful with "stacking" events, helping me to select races and getting me to peak at the right times.
Interestingly, through Coach Scott I have had the opportunity to meet another local coach, Michi (sounds like michie). She is local but offers a no-in-person coaching for $100/month. That was where I got the bottom end of my price spectrum. I'm just not sure having someone else plan my sessions is worth $100/month. She also teaches spin at another location of the gym I attend. She was the one with whom I was discussing IM Boulder a few weeks ago. Also mildly concerned about the awkward factor of going from Scott to Michi when they no each other so well. For those of you familiar with Endurance Obsession, Michi and her husband started that group. ETA: Ya'll are tapping in to the whirlwind that has been in side my head for the last couple weeks. Good!!!! I've had this discussion in the past with Janyne, and here is the "thing" (for me anyway). I think the relationship you have with the coach is WAY MORE important than we might originally consider. Yes, knowledge is pretty high up there as well. But look at what Janyne gets. She is getting a customized plan that fits her needs, lifestyle, etc. Even now, her coach is available for input after the crash. What kind of value does that have???? And it seems like Maija is available for a variety of other ancillary questions as well. Janyne, I don't recall, but did you have a kickoff/interview with your coach at the beginning to assess your needs and expectations? When I finally take that step, this is what I'd be looking for. And while I would hate for you to step on Coach Scott's toes, the other seems better. Have you talked to Coach S about something more customized to your needs? Or a different price point option that gives you what you need? I get that the cookie cutter plan is what he gave to the group, with little individualized input. But at the price point I think that was pretty fair. Edited by cdban66 2014-09-11 1:53 PM |
| 2014-09-11 1:53 PM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by 4agoodlife Woohoo! I did almost 3mi of hill intervals on the treadmill and nothing hurt. Yes, some days it's the little things. Little things?! Way to go, especially the day after a root canal. See, you really are bad azz! |
| 2014-09-11 1:58 PM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by 4agoodlife Woohoo! I did almost 3mi of hill intervals on the treadmill and nothing hurt. Yes, some days it's the little things. Yay!! |
| 2014-09-11 2:01 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by cdban66 TJ, I'm bringing in the conversation I started on Strava. Since you are at the end of the coach group, would you care to share what you've learned? Would you do it again? Would you get a more dedicated coach in the future? What types of benefits did the coached group provide? I was surprised that the 10 weeks is over, it went by really quickly. Those, my friend, are questions that have been rattling around in my head for a couple weeks now. A loaded question as it were. I'm glad I tried it out. I've enjoyed the group atmosphere and working with a "team". I've enjoyed the sessions at the cycling studio, which is something I likely would not have tried on my own. I've started using the Garmin and enjoyed the feedback that I get from that, and being able to identify my "zones" and the effectiveness of my workouts. I didn't like the one size fits all feel of the assigned sessions, both group and solo. I felt like the coach gave everyone the same sessions, regardless of background and ability, and the sessions didn't vary or increase over the course of the 10 weeks. I mentioned to coach at least a couple times that RnR was my focus but my training didn't reflect that (although he did get me to back off my running which probably helped the ITBS finally heal). I don't know to what extent these "issues" are just the nature of being in a coached group. It's cheaper, ya get what ya pay for. There was never much feedback "hey try this" or "fix that" other than some mention of my lousy kick in swimming (already knew that) and he did get me to extend my pull to my thigh. This is not a personality conflict issue, I really like Coach. I don't know that I felt like he was the "authority" though. OTOH, I don't know that I'm willing to pay $100 - $200 per month for a dedicated coach considering the fact that I think I will always be a MOP-er. I don't know that I've "learned" anything over the last few weeks that I hadn't read/heard elsewhere, so I'll probably go back to self-coached. At least for now. OK, fair enough. I had been mulling getting a coach for a while and I KNOW it would be money wasted due to my waning interest, and my goals. I *think* you would benefit from a 1 on 1, hands on approach, but again, it is an investment that may not be worthwhile for you. So now the question (again) to the group is "For those that are coached, what are the greatest and ancillary benefits that you have seen?" I am asking about both tangibles and intangibles as well as big and small. My coach falls a bit between what TJ experienced and what Chris describes. I do not have coached sessions or group workouts with Maija, however I do have a customized 100% not cookie-cutter training plan. Working with Maija has helped me stretch myself,organize my training, improved my cycling and running performance,got me into the pool and yoga studio, got me in touch with the right professionals from shoe fitting to bike fitting to medical assistance. In short, Maija is my "other mom." The customized training plans are helpful with "stacking" events, helping me to select races and getting me to peak at the right times.
Interestingly, through Coach Scott I have had the opportunity to meet another local coach, Michi (sounds like michie). She is local but offers a no-in-person coaching for $100/month. That was where I got the bottom end of my price spectrum. I'm just not sure having someone else plan my sessions is worth $100/month. She also teaches spin at another location of the gym I attend. She was the one with whom I was discussing IM Boulder a few weeks ago. Also mildly concerned about the awkward factor of going from Scott to Michi when they no each other so well. For those of you familiar with Endurance Obsession, Michi and her husband started that group. ETA: Ya'll are tapping in to the whirlwind that has been in side my head for the last couple weeks. Hmmm...I see a trend. A thought I would have is going self-coach again for a couple of months now that you've been in a group and had some bit of guidance. See if you miss it, or if you feel your performance and motivation "suffer" without the group. You sound like you enjoyed it but aren't sold on needing it to move forward with the goals you have. Do you feel like you can incorporate what you learned into new training sessions on your own? Bottom line, $100 is 20 days of chai lattes
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| 2014-09-11 2:05 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by cdban66 Good!!!! I've had this discussion in the past with Janyne, and here is the "thing" (for me anyway). I think the relationship you have with the coach is WAY MORE important than we might originally consider. Yes, knowledge is pretty high up there as well. But look at what Janyne gets. She is getting a customized plan that fits her needs, lifestyle, etc. Even now, her coach is available for input after the crash. What kind of value does that have???? And it seems like Maija is available for a variety of other ancillary questions as well. Janyne, I don't recall, but did you have a kickoff/interview with your coach at the beginning to assess your needs and expectations? When I finally take that step, this is what I'd be looking for. And while I would hate for you to step on Coach Scott's toes, the other seems better. Have you talked to Coach S about something more customized to your needs? Or a different price point option that gives you what you need? I get that the cookie cutter plan is what he gave to the group, with little individualized input. But at the price point I think that was pretty fair. [/QUOTE} I absolutely agree that it was fair, but I think to keep paying someone I need more. It was a good introduction to having a coach and gave me an idea of what I want/need if I'm going to continue. I've not had this discussion with him. Interestingly, I was hoping that moving would be a way to avoid it. Drastic no? He wants to have a BBQ at his house for the group and have each of us do a short video for his web site stating what we benefitted from his coaching. I figure I'll say something positive like I enjoyed the group, or he got me to try new techniques or something vague like that. Meanwhile, though, I will have to have the conversation with his because he plans to have another group beginning in the next few weeks. Edited by rrrunner 2014-09-11 2:11 PM |
| 2014-09-11 2:10 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by cdban66 TJ, I'm bringing in the conversation I started on Strava. Since you are at the end of the coach group, would you care to share what you've learned? Would you do it again? Would you get a more dedicated coach in the future? What types of benefits did the coached group provide? I was surprised that the 10 weeks is over, it went by really quickly. Those, my friend, are questions that have been rattling around in my head for a couple weeks now. A loaded question as it were. I'm glad I tried it out. I've enjoyed the group atmosphere and working with a "team". I've enjoyed the sessions at the cycling studio, which is something I likely would not have tried on my own. I've started using the Garmin and enjoyed the feedback that I get from that, and being able to identify my "zones" and the effectiveness of my workouts. I didn't like the one size fits all feel of the assigned sessions, both group and solo. I felt like the coach gave everyone the same sessions, regardless of background and ability, and the sessions didn't vary or increase over the course of the 10 weeks. I mentioned to coach at least a couple times that RnR was my focus but my training didn't reflect that (although he did get me to back off my running which probably helped the ITBS finally heal). I don't know to what extent these "issues" are just the nature of being in a coached group. It's cheaper, ya get what ya pay for. There was never much feedback "hey try this" or "fix that" other than some mention of my lousy kick in swimming (already knew that) and he did get me to extend my pull to my thigh. This is not a personality conflict issue, I really like Coach. I don't know that I felt like he was the "authority" though. OTOH, I don't know that I'm willing to pay $100 - $200 per month for a dedicated coach considering the fact that I think I will always be a MOP-er. I don't know that I've "learned" anything over the last few weeks that I hadn't read/heard elsewhere, so I'll probably go back to self-coached. At least for now. OK, fair enough. I had been mulling getting a coach for a while and I KNOW it would be money wasted due to my waning interest, and my goals. I *think* you would benefit from a 1 on 1, hands on approach, but again, it is an investment that may not be worthwhile for you. So now the question (again) to the group is "For those that are coached, what are the greatest and ancillary benefits that you have seen?" I am asking about both tangibles and intangibles as well as big and small. My coach falls a bit between what TJ experienced and what Chris describes. I do not have coached sessions or group workouts with Maija, however I do have a customized 100% not cookie-cutter training plan. Working with Maija has helped me stretch myself,organize my training, improved my cycling and running performance,got me into the pool and yoga studio, got me in touch with the right professionals from shoe fitting to bike fitting to medical assistance. In short, Maija is my "other mom." The customized training plans are helpful with "stacking" events, helping me to select races and getting me to peak at the right times.
Interestingly, through Coach Scott I have had the opportunity to meet another local coach, Michi (sounds like michie). She is local but offers a no-in-person coaching for $100/month. That was where I got the bottom end of my price spectrum. I'm just not sure having someone else plan my sessions is worth $100/month. She also teaches spin at another location of the gym I attend. She was the one with whom I was discussing IM Boulder a few weeks ago. Also mildly concerned about the awkward factor of going from Scott to Michi when they no each other so well. For those of you familiar with Endurance Obsession, Michi and her husband started that group. ETA: Ya'll are tapping in to the whirlwind that has been in side my head for the last couple weeks. Another option is to check out Endurance Nation. They have both canned programs and customized ones. Last year they ran some special, so when I started training for my HIM I hooked up with them. They created a custom program based upon my race schedule. You then use their on-line tools to calculate various zones, eg, HR zones, power zones, and other stuff. You then can (or could) do a monthly membership that gives you unlimited access to the 2 coaches and their on-line community. I know EN has both lovers and haters of their system. I found their training plans to be pretty good, but I did not utilize the on-line coaching because I didn't find that I needed to. I guess I just am not creative enough to think of any questions - I just do what I'm told
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| 2014-09-11 2:14 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by cdban66Good!!!! I've had this discussion in the past with Janyne, and here is the "thing" (for me anyway). I think the relationship you have with the coach is WAY MORE important than we might originally consider. Yes, knowledge is pretty high up there as well. But look at what Janyne gets. She is getting a customized plan that fits her needs, lifestyle, etc. Even now, her coach is available for input after the crash. What kind of value does that have???? And it seems like Maija is available for a variety of other ancillary questions as well. Janyne, I don't recall, but did you have a kickoff/interview with your coach at the beginning to assess your needs and expectations? When I finally take that step, this is what I'd be looking for. And while I would hate for you to step on Coach Scott's toes, the other seems better. Have you talked to Coach S about something more customized to your needs? Or a different price point option that gives you what you need? I get that the cookie cutter plan is what he gave to the group, with little individualized input. But at the price point I think that was pretty fair. [/QUOTE} I absolutely agree that it was fair, but I think to keep paying someone I need more. It was a good introduction to having a coach and gave me an idea of what I want/need if I'm going to continue. I've not had this discussion with him. Interestingly, I was hoping that moving would be a way to avoid it. Drastic no? He wants to have a BBQ at his house for the group and have each of us do a short video for his web site stating what we benefitted from his coaching. I figure I'll say something positive like I enjoyed the group, or he got me to try new techniques or something vague like that. Meanwhile, though, I will have to have the conversation with his because he plans to have another group beginning in the next few weeks. _________________________________________________________ hahaha, you're like me - I keep going to (or did until my stupid shoulder stuff) the same masters swim coach b/c I don't want to hurt his feelings by leaving! It's not that he hasn't provided good coaching, it's just that I really don't think I need to pay him the money I do for what I get. But, I know he needs all the swimmers he can get and he is a nice guy, so I stay!! Edited by amd723 2014-09-11 2:14 PM |
| 2014-09-11 2:16 PM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by 4agoodlife Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by cdban66 TJ, I'm bringing in the conversation I started on Strava. Since you are at the end of the coach group, would you care to share what you've learned? Would you do it again? Would you get a more dedicated coach in the future? What types of benefits did the coached group provide? I was surprised that the 10 weeks is over, it went by really quickly. Those, my friend, are questions that have been rattling around in my head for a couple weeks now. A loaded question as it were. I'm glad I tried it out. I've enjoyed the group atmosphere and working with a "team". I've enjoyed the sessions at the cycling studio, which is something I likely would not have tried on my own. I've started using the Garmin and enjoyed the feedback that I get from that, and being able to identify my "zones" and the effectiveness of my workouts. I didn't like the one size fits all feel of the assigned sessions, both group and solo. I felt like the coach gave everyone the same sessions, regardless of background and ability, and the sessions didn't vary or increase over the course of the 10 weeks. I mentioned to coach at least a couple times that RnR was my focus but my training didn't reflect that (although he did get me to back off my running which probably helped the ITBS finally heal). I don't know to what extent these "issues" are just the nature of being in a coached group. It's cheaper, ya get what ya pay for. There was never much feedback "hey try this" or "fix that" other than some mention of my lousy kick in swimming (already knew that) and he did get me to extend my pull to my thigh. This is not a personality conflict issue, I really like Coach. I don't know that I felt like he was the "authority" though. OTOH, I don't know that I'm willing to pay $100 - $200 per month for a dedicated coach considering the fact that I think I will always be a MOP-er. I don't know that I've "learned" anything over the last few weeks that I hadn't read/heard elsewhere, so I'll probably go back to self-coached. At least for now. OK, fair enough. I had been mulling getting a coach for a while and I KNOW it would be money wasted due to my waning interest, and my goals. I *think* you would benefit from a 1 on 1, hands on approach, but again, it is an investment that may not be worthwhile for you. So now the question (again) to the group is "For those that are coached, what are the greatest and ancillary benefits that you have seen?" I am asking about both tangibles and intangibles as well as big and small. My coach falls a bit between what TJ experienced and what Chris describes. I do not have coached sessions or group workouts with Maija, however I do have a customized 100% not cookie-cutter training plan. Working with Maija has helped me stretch myself,organize my training, improved my cycling and running performance,got me into the pool and yoga studio, got me in touch with the right professionals from shoe fitting to bike fitting to medical assistance. In short, Maija is my "other mom." The customized training plans are helpful with "stacking" events, helping me to select races and getting me to peak at the right times.
Interestingly, through Coach Scott I have had the opportunity to meet another local coach, Michi (sounds like michie). She is local but offers a no-in-person coaching for $100/month. That was where I got the bottom end of my price spectrum. I'm just not sure having someone else plan my sessions is worth $100/month. She also teaches spin at another location of the gym I attend. She was the one with whom I was discussing IM Boulder a few weeks ago. Also mildly concerned about the awkward factor of going from Scott to Michi when they no each other so well. For those of you familiar with Endurance Obsession, Michi and her husband started that group. ETA: Ya'll are tapping in to the whirlwind that has been in side my head for the last couple weeks. Hmmm...I see a trend. A thought I would have is going self-coach again for a couple of months now that you've been in a group and had some bit of guidance. See if you miss it, or if you feel your performance and motivation "suffer" without the group. You sound like you enjoyed it but aren't sold on needing it to move forward with the goals you have. Do you feel like you can incorporate what you learned into new training sessions on your own? Bottom line, $100 is 20 days of chai lattes
That's exactly it! I can also continue to go to the cycling studio on my own. I talked with the owner the other day. He has discounts that increase based on the number of sessions you buy in a packet. I feel like the zone knowledge I gained there was the biggest benefit of this whole thing. So the more I work with them I could see my bike really improving and at ~$20 per session it's a lot cheaper than buying a computrainer (although not convenient because it's across town) |
| 2014-09-11 2:18 PM in reply to: amd723 |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by cdban66 TJ, I'm bringing in the conversation I started on Strava. Since you are at the end of the coach group, would you care to share what you've learned? Would you do it again? Would you get a more dedicated coach in the future? What types of benefits did the coached group provide? I was surprised that the 10 weeks is over, it went by really quickly. Those, my friend, are questions that have been rattling around in my head for a couple weeks now. A loaded question as it were. I'm glad I tried it out. I've enjoyed the group atmosphere and working with a "team". I've enjoyed the sessions at the cycling studio, which is something I likely would not have tried on my own. I've started using the Garmin and enjoyed the feedback that I get from that, and being able to identify my "zones" and the effectiveness of my workouts. I didn't like the one size fits all feel of the assigned sessions, both group and solo. I felt like the coach gave everyone the same sessions, regardless of background and ability, and the sessions didn't vary or increase over the course of the 10 weeks. I mentioned to coach at least a couple times that RnR was my focus but my training didn't reflect that (although he did get me to back off my running which probably helped the ITBS finally heal). I don't know to what extent these "issues" are just the nature of being in a coached group. It's cheaper, ya get what ya pay for. There was never much feedback "hey try this" or "fix that" other than some mention of my lousy kick in swimming (already knew that) and he did get me to extend my pull to my thigh. This is not a personality conflict issue, I really like Coach. I don't know that I felt like he was the "authority" though. OTOH, I don't know that I'm willing to pay $100 - $200 per month for a dedicated coach considering the fact that I think I will always be a MOP-er. I don't know that I've "learned" anything over the last few weeks that I hadn't read/heard elsewhere, so I'll probably go back to self-coached. At least for now. OK, fair enough. I had been mulling getting a coach for a while and I KNOW it would be money wasted due to my waning interest, and my goals. I *think* you would benefit from a 1 on 1, hands on approach, but again, it is an investment that may not be worthwhile for you. So now the question (again) to the group is "For those that are coached, what are the greatest and ancillary benefits that you have seen?" I am asking about both tangibles and intangibles as well as big and small. My coach falls a bit between what TJ experienced and what Chris describes. I do not have coached sessions or group workouts with Maija, however I do have a customized 100% not cookie-cutter training plan. Working with Maija has helped me stretch myself,organize my training, improved my cycling and running performance,got me into the pool and yoga studio, got me in touch with the right professionals from shoe fitting to bike fitting to medical assistance. In short, Maija is my "other mom." The customized training plans are helpful with "stacking" events, helping me to select races and getting me to peak at the right times.
Interestingly, through Coach Scott I have had the opportunity to meet another local coach, Michi (sounds like michie). She is local but offers a no-in-person coaching for $100/month. That was where I got the bottom end of my price spectrum. I'm just not sure having someone else plan my sessions is worth $100/month. She also teaches spin at another location of the gym I attend. She was the one with whom I was discussing IM Boulder a few weeks ago. Also mildly concerned about the awkward factor of going from Scott to Michi when they no each other so well. For those of you familiar with Endurance Obsession, Michi and her husband started that group. ETA: Ya'll are tapping in to the whirlwind that has been in side my head for the last couple weeks. Another option is to check out Endurance Nation. They have both canned programs and customized ones. Last year they ran some special, so when I started training for my HIM I hooked up with them. They created a custom program based upon my race schedule. You then use their on-line tools to calculate various zones, eg, HR zones, power zones, and other stuff. You then can (or could) do a monthly membership that gives you unlimited access to the 2 coaches and their on-line community. I know EN has both lovers and haters of their system. I found their training plans to be pretty good, but I did not utilize the on-line coaching because I didn't find that I needed to. I guess I just am not creative enough to think of any questions - I just do what I'm told
Hadn't heard of them. I'll have to check it out. |
| 2014-09-11 2:26 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) You've got options and time, 2 of the better resources one can have. And with that, I am outta here. Early day at work and off to Orlando for an overnight with TW. BTW, she is doing C25K again (3rd time) and I'll be running with her tomorrow. |
| 2014-09-11 2:29 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by rrrunner He wants to have a BBQ at his house for the group and have each of us do a short video for his web site stating what we benefitted from his coaching. I figure I'll say something positive like I enjoyed the group, or he got me to try new techniques or something vague like that. Meanwhile, though, I will have to have the conversation with his because he plans to have another group beginning in the next few weeks. Well, that's awkward. Is there any way you could just opt out of the whole thing and have the frank discussion you need to have with him? This might be a dumb question, but what about the online coaching option here on BT? It's at the bottom of the Forums section and I don't know anything about it. |
| 2014-09-11 2:30 PM in reply to: cdban66 |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by cdban66 You've got options and time, 2 of the better resources one can have. And with that, I am outta here. Early day at work and off to Orlando for an overnight with TW. BTW, she is doing C25K again (3rd time) and I'll be running with her tomorrow. Good luck to her and hope you both have a great time!! |
| 2014-09-11 2:35 PM in reply to: cdban66 |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by jmkizer My coach falls a bit between what TJ experienced and what Chris describes. I do not have coached sessions or group workouts with Maija, however I do have a customized 100% not cookie-cutter training plan. Working with Maija has helped me stretch myself,organize my training, improved my cycling and running performance,got me into the pool and yoga studio, got me in touch with the right professionals from shoe fitting to bike fitting to medical assistance. In short, Maija is my "other mom." The customized training plans are helpful with "stacking" events, helping me to select races and getting me to peak at the right times.
Interestingly, through Coach Scott I have had the opportunity to meet another local coach, Michi (sounds like michie). She is local but offers a no-in-person coaching for $100/month. That was where I got the bottom end of my price spectrum. I'm just not sure having someone else plan my sessions is worth $100/month. She also teaches spin at another location of the gym I attend. She was the one with whom I was discussing IM Boulder a few weeks ago. Also mildly concerned about the awkward factor of going from Scott to Michi when they no each other so well. For those of you familiar with Endurance Obsession, Michi and her husband started that group. ETA: Ya'll are tapping in to the whirlwind that has been in side my head for the last couple weeks. Good!!!! I've had this discussion in the past with Janyne, and here is the "thing" (for me anyway). I think the relationship you have with the coach is WAY MORE important than we might originally consider. Yes, knowledge is pretty high up there as well. But look at what Janyne gets. She is getting a customized plan that fits her needs, lifestyle, etc. Even now, her coach is available for input after the crash. What kind of value does that have???? And it seems like Maija is available for a variety of other ancillary questions as well. Janyne, I don't recall, but did you have a kickoff/interview with your coach at the beginning to assess your needs and expectations? When I finally take that step, this is what I'd be looking for. And while I would hate for you to step on Coach Scott's toes, the other seems better. Have you talked to Coach S about something more customized to your needs? Or a different price point option that gives you what you need? I get that the cookie cutter plan is what he gave to the group, with little individualized input. But at the price point I think that was pretty fair. Ha, my initial discussion with Maija was something like, I want to do the MS150 and maybe work up to a century. I had done the MS ride once at that point and dorked up my back (I think this was my 8th BikeMS?). I started with her right after PT. |
| 2014-09-11 2:36 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by cdban66Good!!!! I've had this discussion in the past with Janyne, and here is the "thing" (for me anyway). I think the relationship you have with the coach is WAY MORE important than we might originally consider. Yes, knowledge is pretty high up there as well. But look at what Janyne gets. She is getting a customized plan that fits her needs, lifestyle, etc. Even now, her coach is available for input after the crash. What kind of value does that have???? And it seems like Maija is available for a variety of other ancillary questions as well. Janyne, I don't recall, but did you have a kickoff/interview with your coach at the beginning to assess your needs and expectations? When I finally take that step, this is what I'd be looking for. And while I would hate for you to step on Coach Scott's toes, the other seems better. Have you talked to Coach S about something more customized to your needs? Or a different price point option that gives you what you need? I get that the cookie cutter plan is what he gave to the group, with little individualized input. But at the price point I think that was pretty fair. [/QUOTE} I absolutely agree that it was fair, but I think to keep paying someone I need more. It was a good introduction to having a coach and gave me an idea of what I want/need if I'm going to continue. I've not had this discussion with him. Interestingly, I was hoping that moving would be a way to avoid it. Drastic no? He wants to have a BBQ at his house for the group and have each of us do a short video for his web site stating what we benefitted from his coaching. I figure I'll say something positive like I enjoyed the group, or he got me to try new techniques or something vague like that. Meanwhile, though, I will have to have the conversation with his because he plans to have another group beginning in the next few weeks. I dunno. I understand what you are saying about needing more coaching, customization and feedback. I mean, you can do group rides for free through most LBSs. And if you want a cookie cutter plan, there are plenty out there. I do think that you got more for your money than you are giving him credit for. The cardiovascular assessment alone costs over $250 here (http://www.humanperformancelaboratory.com/Services_Overview.html), plus pool time ($7/session here, uncoached), plus entry to two races. As far as Coach Michi,I'm sure you wouldn't be the first so if you decide to go that way, I wouldn't sweat it. Not all coaching relationships work out! |
| 2014-09-11 2:40 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by 4agoodlife Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by cdban66 TJ, I'm bringing in the conversation I started on Strava. Since you are at the end of the coach group, would you care to share what you've learned? Would you do it again? Would you get a more dedicated coach in the future? What types of benefits did the coached group provide? I was surprised that the 10 weeks is over, it went by really quickly. Those, my friend, are questions that have been rattling around in my head for a couple weeks now. A loaded question as it were. I'm glad I tried it out. I've enjoyed the group atmosphere and working with a "team". I've enjoyed the sessions at the cycling studio, which is something I likely would not have tried on my own. I've started using the Garmin and enjoyed the feedback that I get from that, and being able to identify my "zones" and the effectiveness of my workouts. I didn't like the one size fits all feel of the assigned sessions, both group and solo. I felt like the coach gave everyone the same sessions, regardless of background and ability, and the sessions didn't vary or increase over the course of the 10 weeks. I mentioned to coach at least a couple times that RnR was my focus but my training didn't reflect that (although he did get me to back off my running which probably helped the ITBS finally heal). I don't know to what extent these "issues" are just the nature of being in a coached group. It's cheaper, ya get what ya pay for. There was never much feedback "hey try this" or "fix that" other than some mention of my lousy kick in swimming (already knew that) and he did get me to extend my pull to my thigh. This is not a personality conflict issue, I really like Coach. I don't know that I felt like he was the "authority" though. OTOH, I don't know that I'm willing to pay $100 - $200 per month for a dedicated coach considering the fact that I think I will always be a MOP-er. I don't know that I've "learned" anything over the last few weeks that I hadn't read/heard elsewhere, so I'll probably go back to self-coached. At least for now. OK, fair enough. I had been mulling getting a coach for a while and I KNOW it would be money wasted due to my waning interest, and my goals. I *think* you would benefit from a 1 on 1, hands on approach, but again, it is an investment that may not be worthwhile for you. So now the question (again) to the group is "For those that are coached, what are the greatest and ancillary benefits that you have seen?" I am asking about both tangibles and intangibles as well as big and small. My coach falls a bit between what TJ experienced and what Chris describes. I do not have coached sessions or group workouts with Maija, however I do have a customized 100% not cookie-cutter training plan. Working with Maija has helped me stretch myself,organize my training, improved my cycling and running performance,got me into the pool and yoga studio, got me in touch with the right professionals from shoe fitting to bike fitting to medical assistance. In short, Maija is my "other mom." The customized training plans are helpful with "stacking" events, helping me to select races and getting me to peak at the right times.
Interestingly, through Coach Scott I have had the opportunity to meet another local coach, Michi (sounds like michie). She is local but offers a no-in-person coaching for $100/month. That was where I got the bottom end of my price spectrum. I'm just not sure having someone else plan my sessions is worth $100/month. She also teaches spin at another location of the gym I attend. She was the one with whom I was discussing IM Boulder a few weeks ago. Also mildly concerned about the awkward factor of going from Scott to Michi when they no each other so well. For those of you familiar with Endurance Obsession, Michi and her husband started that group. ETA: Ya'll are tapping in to the whirlwind that has been in side my head for the last couple weeks. Hmmm...I see a trend. A thought I would have is going self-coach again for a couple of months now that you've been in a group and had some bit of guidance. See if you miss it, or if you feel your performance and motivation "suffer" without the group. You sound like you enjoyed it but aren't sold on needing it to move forward with the goals you have. Do you feel like you can incorporate what you learned into new training sessions on your own? Bottom line, $100 is 20 days of chai lattes
That's exactly it! I can also continue to go to the cycling studio on my own. I talked with the owner the other day. He has discounts that increase based on the number of sessions you buy in a packet. I feel like the zone knowledge I gained there was the biggest benefit of this whole thing. So the more I work with them I could see my bike really improving and at ~$20 per session it's a lot cheaper than buying a computrainer (although not convenient because it's across town) It sounds like we have a winner ;-) |
| 2014-09-11 2:44 PM in reply to: cdban66 |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by cdban66 You've got options and time, 2 of the better resources one can have. And with that, I am outta here. Early day at work and off to Orlando for an overnight with TW. BTW, she is doing C25K again (3rd time) and I'll be running with her tomorrow. You and she are both pure awesomeness!!!! |
| 2014-09-11 3:22 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
| Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by Asalzwed Oh and finally, finally I feel like I have rounded a corner in training and am starting to actually improve rather than flailing my way through every day. I think a lot of the struggle was doing both running and mountaineering/hiking. I am going to summit Mt. Adams (12,276') on the 21st- 22nd after having my first cross country race on the 21st. So, it should be a big weekend! Obviously I've got a lot going on so my check-ins tend to be less frequent but you can always see what I am up to by checking my instagram. I have a creative goal of posting a picture a day so I tend to be pretty good about it. Seriously cool and exciting! |
| 2014-09-11 3:31 PM in reply to: melbo55 |
| Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Chris - good luck to you and your wife at the 5K! Erin - glad to hear the surgery went well and you spent some pain-free time on the trainer, wow! Monica - hey, wow, was that really Monica who popped in here? |
| 2014-09-11 3:32 PM in reply to: melbo55 |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by melbo55 Originally posted by Asalzwed Oh and finally, finally I feel like I have rounded a corner in training and am starting to actually improve rather than flailing my way through every day. I think a lot of the struggle was doing both running and mountaineering/hiking. I am going to summit Mt. Adams (12,276') on the 21st- 22nd after having my first cross country race on the 21st. So, it should be a big weekend! Obviously I've got a lot going on so my check-ins tend to be less frequent but you can always see what I am up to by checking my instagram. I have a creative goal of posting a picture a day so I tend to be pretty good about it. Seriously cool and exciting! I live vicariously through her instagram pix |
| 2014-09-11 3:40 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Oh so behind.... Salty very cool on the climbing and the breakthrough. Chris, sounds like a fun weekend. Mary, thank you for being you. Monica welcome back. Erin, glad your teef are fixed up. Yanti, I can't remember what you posted right now, but I hope you are feeling better (I know I can say that pretty much no matter what and it will fit!) Janyne, glad to see you are getting in some one handed typing. Must be frustrating! |
| 2014-09-11 3:49 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by rrrunner ^^^you too? Eta: Twitter actually, b/c instagram is one more thing I haven't put on my phone.Originally posted by melbo55 Originally posted by Asalzwed Oh and finally, finally I feel like I have rounded a corner in training and am starting to actually improve rather than flailing my way through every day. I think a lot of the struggle was doing both running and mountaineering/hiking. I am going to summit Mt. Adams (12,276') on the 21st- 22nd after having my first cross country race on the 21st. So, it should be a big weekend! Obviously I've got a lot going on so my check-ins tend to be less frequent but you can always see what I am up to by checking my instagram. I have a creative goal of posting a picture a day so I tend to be pretty good about it. Seriously cool and exciting! I live vicariously through her instagram pix Edited by 4agoodlife 2014-09-11 5:00 PM |
| 2014-09-11 5:43 PM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by 4agoodlife Originally posted by rrrunner ^^^you too? Eta: Twitter actually, b/c instagram is one more thing I haven't put on my phone. Originally posted by melbo55 Originally posted by Asalzwed Oh and finally, finally I feel like I have rounded a corner in training and am starting to actually improve rather than flailing my way through every day. I think a lot of the struggle was doing both running and mountaineering/hiking. I am going to summit Mt. Adams (12,276') on the 21st- 22nd after having my first cross country race on the 21st. So, it should be a big weekend! Obviously I've got a lot going on so my check-ins tend to be less frequent but you can always see what I am up to by checking my instagram. I have a creative goal of posting a picture a day so I tend to be pretty good about it. Seriously cool and exciting! I live vicariously through her instagram pix Me too. Salty, your photos rock and your weekend sounds amazing! |
| 2014-09-11 6:29 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Elite 4435 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by Asalzwed Oh and finally, finally I feel like I have rounded a corner in training and am starting to actually improve rather than flailing my way through every day. I think a lot of the struggle was doing both running and mountaineering/hiking. I am going to summit Mt. Adams (12,276') on the 21st- 22nd after having my first cross country race on the 21st. So, it should be a big weekend! Obviously I've got a lot going on so my check-ins tend to be less frequent but you can always see what I am up to by checking my instagram. I have a creative goal of posting a picture a day so I tend to be pretty good about it. Oh I love Instagram, will be checking you out! Look what I got for the weekend - gotta love that. I've applied for a pass for Kona, watch this space. (accred.jpg) Attachments ---------------- accred.jpg (23KB - 2 downloads) |
| 2014-09-12 7:52 AM in reply to: cdban66 |
Veteran 1100 Dayton | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by jmkizer My coach falls a bit between what TJ experienced and what Chris describes. I do not have coached sessions or group workouts with Maija, however I do have a customized 100% not cookie-cutter training plan. Working with Maija has helped me stretch myself,organize my training, improved my cycling and running performance,got me into the pool and yoga studio, got me in touch with the right professionals from shoe fitting to bike fitting to medical assistance. In short, Maija is my "other mom." The customized training plans are helpful with "stacking" events, helping me to select races and getting me to peak at the right times.
Interestingly, through Coach Scott I have had the opportunity to meet another local coach, Michi (sounds like michie). She is local but offers a no-in-person coaching for $100/month. That was where I got the bottom end of my price spectrum. I'm just not sure having someone else plan my sessions is worth $100/month. She also teaches spin at another location of the gym I attend. She was the one with whom I was discussing IM Boulder a few weeks ago. Also mildly concerned about the awkward factor of going from Scott to Michi when they no each other so well. For those of you familiar with Endurance Obsession, Michi and her husband started that group. ETA: Ya'll are tapping in to the whirlwind that has been in side my head for the last couple weeks. Good!!!! I've had this discussion in the past with Janyne, and here is the "thing" (for me anyway). I think the relationship you have with the coach is WAY MORE important than we might originally consider. Yes, knowledge is pretty high up there as well. But look at what Janyne gets. She is getting a customized plan that fits her needs, lifestyle, etc. Even now, her coach is available for input after the crash. What kind of value does that have???? And it seems like Maija is available for a variety of other ancillary questions as well. Janyne, I don't recall, but did you have a kickoff/interview with your coach at the beginning to assess your needs and expectations? When I finally take that step, this is what I'd be looking for. And while I would hate for you to step on Coach Scott's toes, the other seems better. Have you talked to Coach S about something more customized to your needs? Or a different price point option that gives you what you need? I get that the cookie cutter plan is what he gave to the group, with little individualized input. But at the price point I think that was pretty fair. The relationship with the coach is important. The relationship I had with the coach I had at the beginning of the year was terrible. I felt he wasn't listening to me at all, and was just giving me cookie-cutter stuff without paying any attention to injuries/current fitness. It wasn't worth it to me. |
| 2014-09-12 8:28 AM in reply to: ponderingfox |
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