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On August 4th, there are four Manatees participating in half iron distance events. 

Identify the course.

1925 feet of elevation gain


3100 feet of elevation gain

Someone on Slowtwitch just described Lake Logan as a "somewhat flat bike."

First off, the red one above is Boulder 70.3. The yellow one above is the Lake Logan Half.

Secondly, the Sprint and International course *are* flat at fast. The Lake Logan Half crosses valleys, thus the climbing. 

Now, I've gotta of and find that post...

I guess I knew that lake logan was the 3k climbing one, but i have been trying to forget that little detail!

2018-07-30 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by jmkizer

On August 4th, there are four Manatees participating in half iron distance events. 

Identify the course.

1925 feet of elevation gain


3100 feet of elevation gain

Someone on Slowtwitch just described Lake Logan as a "somewhat flat bike."

First off, the red one above is Boulder 70.3. The yellow one above is the Lake Logan Half.

Secondly, the Sprint and International course *are* flat at fast. The Lake Logan Half crosses valleys, thus the climbing. 

Now, I've gotta of and find that post...

I guess I knew that lake logan was the 3k climbing one, but i have been trying to forget that little detail!

I just thought it was funny because you think Boulder. Hills. Lots of climbing. Not.

Here's the quote Lisa mentioned: "For me, Lake Logan in western NC is the best race I know of. Best swim venue you will find, somewhat flat bike with some hills to challenge you and a run beside the river that feeds the lake. "

The other (original) Lake Logan comment was: "Lake Logan Half in NC. Beautiful. Stunning. "

2018-07-30 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by amd723

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by jmkizer

On August 4th, there are four Manatees participating in half iron distance events. 

Identify the course.

1925 feet of elevation gain


3100 feet of elevation gain

Someone on Slowtwitch just described Lake Logan as a "somewhat flat bike."

First off, the red one above is Boulder 70.3. The yellow one above is the Lake Logan Half.

Secondly, the Sprint and International course *are* flat at fast. The Lake Logan Half crosses valleys, thus the climbing. 

Now, I've gotta of and find that post...

I guess I knew that lake logan was the 3k climbing one, but i have been trying to forget that little detail!

I just thought it was funny because you think Boulder. Hills. Lots of climbing. Not.

Here's the quote Lisa mentioned: "For me, Lake Logan in western NC is the best race I know of. Best swim venue you will find, somewhat flat bike with some hills to challenge you and a run beside the river that feeds the lake. "

The other (original) Lake Logan comment was: "Lake Logan Half in NC. Beautiful. Stunning. "

I thought the same thing about Boulder -how can it be less elevation gain then NC?! If it weren't for that pesky altitude thing it would be an easy race

I guess the person who thinks LL is somewhat flat comes from the Alps!

2018-07-30 1:58 PM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Here's the quote Lisa mentioned: "For me, Lake Logan in western NC is the best race I know of. Best swim venue you will find, somewhat flat bike with some hills to challenge you and a run beside the river that feeds the lake. "

The other (original) Lake Logan comment was: "Lake Logan Half in NC. Beautiful. Stunning. "

Yeah I originally thought maybe he's thinking of the shorter races, but he has the 70.3 listed in his signature for 2018 races... I guess it's all in what you're used to! I am mentally preparing to climb Mt Everest on Saturday 

2018-07-30 2:18 PM
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Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by jmkizer

Here's the quote Lisa mentioned: "For me, Lake Logan in western NC is the best race I know of. Best swim venue you will find, somewhat flat bike with some hills to challenge you and a run beside the river that feeds the lake. "

The other (original) Lake Logan comment was: "Lake Logan Half in NC. Beautiful. Stunning. "

Yeah I originally thought maybe he's thinking of the shorter races, but he has the 70.3 listed in his signature for 2018 races... I guess it's all in what you're used to! I am mentally preparing to climb Mt Everest on Saturday 




I was also (pleasantly) surprised that Boulder's not one of the hillier 70.3's. I'm not sure how the altitude is going to affect me but hopefully training in the TX heat will offset at least some of the effects.


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Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by jmkizer

Here's the quote Lisa mentioned: "For me, Lake Logan in western NC is the best race I know of. Best swim venue you will find, somewhat flat bike with some hills to challenge you and a run beside the river that feeds the lake. "

The other (original) Lake Logan comment was: "Lake Logan Half in NC. Beautiful. Stunning. "

Yeah I originally thought maybe he's thinking of the shorter races, but he has the 70.3 listed in his signature for 2018 races... I guess it's all in what you're used to! I am mentally preparing to climb Mt Everest on Saturday 




We have quite a few in my tri-club who do Lake Logan every year and love it. Another up in that same area is Mountains to Main Street and has an extra 300 feet of climbing compared to Lake Logan. My coach raced it for the first time this year and he said it was the hardest bike he's ever done.

He also mentioned it would be a great spring half iron race for someone who is aiming for IM LOU next year. Uhhhh...I'm sure he meant another of his athletes, right?

Big news on the streets in Augusta is that 7 weeks and 6 days prior to raceday, the course has changed!!! I was able to ride it yesterday as our club hosts an event called "Ride for a Reason" which is co-sponsored by Tri Coach Georgia's Augusta 70.3 camp. The course is NOT rideable without law enforcement support (we had 4 sheriff deputies on motorcycles keeping us safe), but it's definitely a MUCH faster course once you get past the first SIX train track crossings in the first 4 miles. :D

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2018-07-30 5:23 PM
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Originally posted by glfprncs
Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by jmkizer

Here's the quote Lisa mentioned: "For me, Lake Logan in western NC is the best race I know of. Best swim venue you will find, somewhat flat bike with some hills to challenge you and a run beside the river that feeds the lake. "

The other (original) Lake Logan comment was: "Lake Logan Half in NC. Beautiful. Stunning. "

Yeah I originally thought maybe he's thinking of the shorter races, but he has the 70.3 listed in his signature for 2018 races... I guess it's all in what you're used to! I am mentally preparing to climb Mt Everest on Saturday 

We have quite a few in my tri-club who do Lake Logan every year and love it. Another up in that same area is Mountains to Main Street and has an extra 300 feet of climbing compared to Lake Logan. My coach raced it for the first time this year and he said it was the hardest bike he's ever done. He also mentioned it would be a great spring half iron race for someone who is aiming for IM LOU next year. Uhhhh...I'm sure he meant another of his athletes, right?

Really? I've heard terrible things about the way M2M is organized. After another bad report card this year, I was so glad that I did Kinetic!

That being said, I could perhaps be convince to do the Swamp Rabbit HM.

Big news on the streets in Augusta is that 7 weeks and 6 days prior to raceday, the course has changed!!! I was able to ride it yesterday as our club hosts an event called "Ride for a Reason" which is co-sponsored by Tri Coach Georgia's Augusta 70.3 camp. The course is NOT rideable without law enforcement support (we had 4 sheriff deputies on motorcycles keeping us safe), but it's definitely a MUCH faster course once you get past the first SIX train track crossings in the first 4 miles. :D

It looked to me like the 2018 course is in GA, wasn't the previous course in SC quite a bit? Was there some sort of traffic control (in SC) reason to change the course? It seems like maybe not if the replacement *requires* traffic control.  That's just nuts.

2018-07-30 7:29 PM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Big news on the streets in Augusta is that 7 weeks and 6 days prior to raceday, the course has changed!!! I was able to ride it yesterday as our club hosts an event called "Ride for a Reason" which is co-sponsored by Tri Coach Georgia's Augusta 70.3 camp. The course is NOT rideable without law enforcement support (we had 4 sheriff deputies on motorcycles keeping us safe), but it's definitely a MUCH faster course once you get past the first SIX train track crossings in the first 4 miles. :D

It looked to me like the 2018 course is in GA, wasn't the previous course in SC quite a bit? Was there some sort of traffic control (in SC) reason to change the course? It seems like maybe not if the replacement *requires* traffic control.  That's just nuts.




There are a handful of reasons for the course change, but the two biggest are:

1. Because the 'old' course is so cyclist friendly, it received a LOT of use by cyclists throughout the year. Two local bike shops use parts of the route for twice weekly rides throughout the summer plus you get all the triathletes. There were quite a few disgruntled people, who then became angry people, who then started making death threats on social media. I stopped riding out there a few years ago because of one too many close calls, bottles thrown at me or my riding partners, etc.

2. The city of Augusta adds a surcharge to the race fee (which is why it's the most expensive IM branded HIM). The host hotel is in Augusta, it's downtown, so many of the downtown Augusta restaurants are busy that weekend. In fact, from what I've heard, Augusta 70.3 weekend is the 2nd biggest money making weekend for the city (2nd to tournament weekend of the Master's Tournament). However, 56 of the 70.3 miles takes place over the river in Aiken County, South Carolina. They weren't reaping any benefit except a lot of irritated homeowners who couldn't get to or from church on Sunday morning.

The new course uses two 4-lane, high traffic roads (Gordon Highway and Mike Padgett Highway) that I would NEVER ride my bike on other than with police support. The old course did use a section of Sand Bar Ferry Rd. which is also a 4-lane, but it has very light traffic.

It's unfortunate, as the old course was quite pretty. It meandered through pretty farmlands in horse country. The new route takes you past the paper plant (which stinks!) and a heavy manufacturing area. The one cool aspect is riding the road behind the airport while the planes were taking off and landing overhead.

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2018-07-31 8:33 AM
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OMG the woman who won my AG (45-49) at Calgary did 4:40! Seriously?! (You should add about 5 minutes to the times due to the bike course, but still, 4:45 would win Worlds most of the time.) I really picked the wrong race to qualify or podium, I guess. On the plus side, I wasn't far off the podium, about 3 minutes behind 3rd.
2018-08-01 8:32 AM
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Originally posted by JBacarella It is official, I signed up for Ironman Lake Placid, July 28, 2019!

fantastic!



2018-08-01 8:33 AM
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Originally posted by Hot Runner OMG the woman who won my AG (45-49) at Calgary did 4:40! Seriously?! (You should add about 5 minutes to the times due to the bike course, but still, 4:45 would win Worlds most of the time.) I really picked the wrong race to qualify or podium, I guess. On the plus side, I wasn't far off the podium, about 3 minutes behind 3rd.

Zowie! That is fast! and you are pretty damn amazing to place so well! Congratulations

2018-08-01 8:38 AM
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Originally posted by glfprncs
Originally posted by lisac957

Originally posted by jmkizer

Here's the quote Lisa mentioned: "For me, Lake Logan in western NC is the best race I know of. Best swim venue you will find, somewhat flat bike with some hills to challenge you and a run beside the river that feeds the lake. "

The other (original) Lake Logan comment was: "Lake Logan Half in NC. Beautiful. Stunning. "

Yeah I originally thought maybe he's thinking of the shorter races, but he has the 70.3 listed in his signature for 2018 races... I guess it's all in what you're used to! I am mentally preparing to climb Mt Everest on Saturday 

We have quite a few in my tri-club who do Lake Logan every year and love it. Another up in that same area is Mountains to Main Street and has an extra 300 feet of climbing compared to Lake Logan. My coach raced it for the first time this year and he said it was the hardest bike he's ever done. He also mentioned it would be a great spring half iron race for someone who is aiming for IM LOU next year. Uhhhh...I'm sure he meant another of his athletes, right? Big news on the streets in Augusta is that 7 weeks and 6 days prior to raceday, the course has changed!!! I was able to ride it yesterday as our club hosts an event called "Ride for a Reason" which is co-sponsored by Tri Coach Georgia's Augusta 70.3 camp. The course is NOT rideable without law enforcement support (we had 4 sheriff deputies on motorcycles keeping us safe), but it's definitely a MUCH faster course once you get past the first SIX train track crossings in the first 4 miles. :D
SIX train crossings!!!! I sure hope the have lots of support during the race!

2018-08-01 8:44 AM
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Originally posted by tomsimper Well done Karen on 5th in your AG. I did mine yesterday, it wasn't fast and it wasn't pretty but I did it and it's a pb as it was my first Olympic. hated every minute of it whilst doing it but loved it at the same time if that makes any sense! It's a great motivator to get some proper training done with structure to it instead of what I have been doing which can only loosely be termed training! Done a race report which is like war and peace and probably rambles on!

Congratulations! I know exactly what you mean. Love Hate and everything in between.

2018-08-01 9:37 AM
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Originally posted by Hot Runner If anyone was tracking me at IM Calgary 70.3, a few words of explanation--bike course was about 1.5 miles short, possibly closer to 2. Yes, it was a PB, but not by the ridiculous amount that it appears! Add 5-6 minutes to whatever it was (2:34?). Also, very substantial tailwind on the way out (plus slight net downhill) and very substantial headwind on the way in (plus slight net uphill). So splits are ridiculous and it made for a very tough day at the office. I think I went through 40K in (seriously) 1:02:40! Yes, I did negative split the run. Horrid cramps for first five miles; they finally went away and I high-tailed it for the rest. But OMG--5:06 (really more like 5:10-5:11 due to the bike course) was only good for 5th in AG. There are some crazy fast women here! My run was 3rd though despite the cramps, so I was proud of that.

Wow, great job, Karen!  Your speed and tenacity always impress!

2018-08-01 9:39 AM
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Originally posted by JBacarella It is official, I signed up for Ironman Lake Placid, July 28, 2019!

YAY!!!!  I love, love, love this course and this area.  I don't think you'll be disappointed.  A challenging course for sure but so dang beautiful.  With any luck, I'll be back to my usual schedule of being in LP in July for the 140.6.  If so, for sure we'll have to meet up.  



2018-08-01 9:42 AM
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Originally posted by Hot Runner OMG the woman who won my AG (45-49) at Calgary did 4:40! Seriously?! (You should add about 5 minutes to the times due to the bike course, but still, 4:45 would win Worlds most of the time.) I really picked the wrong race to qualify or podium, I guess. On the plus side, I wasn't far off the podium, about 3 minutes behind 3rd.

Zowie! That is fast! and you are pretty damn amazing to place so well! Congratulations

I know! I told Karen that her times are so fast they don't even make sense to me!

2018-08-01 9:43 AM
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Originally posted by JBacarella It is official, I signed up for Ironman Lake Placid, July 28, 2019!

YAY!!!!  I love, love, love this course and this area.  I don't think you'll be disappointed.  A challenging course for sure but so dang beautiful.  With any luck, I'll be back to my usual schedule of being in LP in July for the 140.6.  If so, for sure we'll have to meet up.  

I highly recommend meeting up with Jim and Michelle!

2018-08-01 3:28 PM
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Originally posted by melbo55

Originally posted by JBacarella It is official, I signed up for Ironman Lake Placid, July 28, 2019!

YAY!!!!  I love, love, love this course and this area.  I don't think you'll be disappointed.  A challenging course for sure but so dang beautiful.  With any luck, I'll be back to my usual schedule of being in LP in July for the 140.6.  If so, for sure we'll have to meet up.  

I highly recommend meeting up with Jim and Michelle!



Hey It could be a Manatee Meetup! We may or may not have some of our kids there.
Janyne It might be hard to find a Mediterranean restaurant where the owner tells everyone they are ordering the wrong thing and then tells them to order something else. Thank you for the endorsement, we had a great time at the last meet up.
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Originally posted by JBacarella It is official, I signed up for Ironman Lake Placid, July 28, 2019!

YAY!!!!  I love, love, love this course and this area.  I don't think you'll be disappointed.  A challenging course for sure but so dang beautiful.  With any luck, I'll be back to my usual schedule of being in LP in July for the 140.6.  If so, for sure we'll have to meet up.  



We are really looking forward to it. We have never been there, but by all accounts it's beautiful. You will have to give me some helpful hints.
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Race Report is up....tired just thinking about that race again. So much work for no bling! 4:40 lady is a former pro. But still......A 2:17 HIM bike split?! Arrrrgh!

BTW I have also started on my 2019 race signups. So far I have Challenge Wanaka (I'm kinda stubborn--trying it again) in February and St. George 70.3 in May. Not sure beyond that as I'm not sure what I'm doing with the rest of my life. Is anyone else planning on St. George?

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2018-08-02 9:47 AM
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Originally posted by melbo55

Originally posted by JBacarella It is official, I signed up for Ironman Lake Placid, July 28, 2019!

YAY!!!!  I love, love, love this course and this area.  I don't think you'll be disappointed.  A challenging course for sure but so dang beautiful.  With any luck, I'll be back to my usual schedule of being in LP in July for the 140.6.  If so, for sure we'll have to meet up.  

We are really looking forward to it. We have never been there, but by all accounts it's beautiful. You will have to give me some helpful hints.

I will gladly share hints, tips, suggestions with you whenever you like!

2018-08-02 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by Hot Runner Race Report is up....tired just thinking about that race again. So much work for no bling! 4:40 lady is a former pro. But still......A 2:17 HIM bike split?! Arrrrgh! BTW I have also started on my 2019 race signups. So far I have Challenge Wanaka (I'm kinda stubborn--trying it again) in February and St. George 70.3 in May. Not sure beyond that as I'm not sure what I'm doing with the rest of my life. Is anyone else planning on St. George?

Look at you! The races I want to do are not even taking signups yet. I cannot even imagine going that fast for an Olympic or Sprint distance. Unless it was totally downhill!

2018-08-02 10:41 AM
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Racing Manatees!!!

August 4-5
Ann-Marie - Lake Logan Half on Saturday
Lisa - Lake Logan Half on Saturday
Janyne - Lake Logan Half on Saturday
Justin - IM Boulder 70.3 on Saturday
Stacey - Truth or Consequences Trail 25k on Sunday

Is anyone else racing?

2018-08-02 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Racing Manatees!!!

August 4-5
Ann-Marie - Lake Logan Half on Saturday
Lisa - Lake Logan Half on Saturday
Janyne - Lake Logan Half on Saturday
Justin - IM Boulder 70.3 on Saturday
Stacey - Truth or Consequences Trail 25k on Sunday

Is anyone else racing?

Race well, have fun, and stay safe!

Looks like there will be a party of Manatees at Lake Logan, have fun!

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