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2009-12-04 5:17 PM
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I have the selle with the cut out on my road set up. It didn't work so well on my tri bike so i traded it out. ive got the arione tri2  i think its called, and it worked decently for IMAZ.

One thing i will say is that over time with more volume the problems that i had with saddle numbing or pain got less, never fully going away. but there is something to be said about getting used to it....

i also hurt more on the trainer than the real road. and i hurt less if i consistently stand up and shift around. i also like to find the sweet spots where it hurts less and use them the most. all of this i am sure you know already though.


2009-12-04 5:20 PM
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Go KathyG Go! I love your approach. This journey we are all on means taking risks and pushing boundaries. well done!

we are staying in the boardwalk hotel on the cheaper side (non-gulf). one bedroom with kitchenette and two double beds was 139 per night. the other side was 179 for the view.
2009-12-05 10:40 AM
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I'm also staying in the Boardwalk - but I went for the view!!
2009-12-05 12:04 PM
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That sounds like a lot of fun Kathy! Good luck with that today!!!

We have reservations at Laketown Wharf! 

11 months to go!

2009-12-05 12:04 PM
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I'm not a huge fan of the trainer for longer rides, but I did Jorge's plan last winter and it really improved my cycling come Spring time. F1longhorn, come spring, we'll have to check schedules and see if we can do any of our long rides together.


I'm definitely looking forward to getting out on 620 for some longer stuff come spring, hopefully there will be a couple weekends where we can get together for riding. However I'm definitely not looking forward to the longer stuff come June July ugh.
2009-12-05 7:00 PM
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OK, I just have to say this and get it off my chest. Last year's race and perhaps the years before have been termed "draftfests" and folks try to make IMFL finisher's times illegitimate due to the bike being ridic. Many of us have seen the youtube videos of mega-drafting.

My view is that is possibly the case, but you do your best to avoid the pelotons and drafting but it shouldn't take away from the accomplishment involved in an IM.   What do you guys think of being told your planned IM is inferior? I don't like it one bit.


2009-12-05 10:41 PM
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IMFL is still an Ironman. You will still need to swim 2.4, bike 112, and run 26.2. If you finish no one can take that away from you. Having raced it; yes there is drafting. However, much of it occurs up front with some midpack but not as much. Can you avoid it? If you want to, and you follow the rules yes you can. If someone is telling you IMFL is inferior I would ignore them. The reality is that it is a great race, in an awesome location with wonderful volunteers. Enjoy the training, enjoy the race, and don't let anyone drag you down.

2009-12-05 11:20 PM
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At IMFL in 08 I got out of the water mid packish.  when I got on the bike heading out of town there were two continuous lines of bicycles riding pretty much "bumper to bumper" for as far as I could see both ahead and behind.  I thought a lot about drafting, but there was really no where else to ride.  You either rode in the right hand line (slightly slower) or the left hand line (slightly faster)  Once we passed the first aide station there was a little more space, but until then you either rode in the line or didnt' ride. 

I didn't find that 10 miles of drafting made my 112 mile ride much different than any of the other 112 mile training rides I'd done.  (perhaps it's like having a little tail wind for part of the ride)  And after 14hrs and 16 minutes I SURE felt like I'd completed an IronMan.

I suppose each race has it's own obstacles.  Some folks are terrified of an open ocean swim.  Some don't like cold water, or hills, or river current, or riding through hot lava.  IMFL may be one of the "easier" Ironman races, but it's still a certified Ironman event. 

Oh, and by the way there are tougher races than Ironman, just in case anyone has too big a head. 



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Drafting?  First of all, none of my friends or family are triathletes, so no one has said anything to make me feel like I am doing an inferior event.  In fact, they all think I nee to be taken to an asylum for even signing up.  (I do have a few friends who have done sprints but that is it).  I don't think drafting is going to be an issue so much for me.  The swim is by far my strongest event, and the bike is by far the slowest.  i will be the girl that the two drafting lines have to move around for the first 10 miles of the bike   (I expect to be out of the water in under 70 minutes and am allowing my self 7.5 hours or the bike!!!)

jashac - funny that bit about harder races than Ironman.  I was watching the biggest loser this week and one guy said "a marathon is the hardest thing an athlete can do".  Um yeah.  Sure it is.  Triple Ironman?  10 Irons in 10 days?  Climbing Mount Everest?  Lot so thing harder than a marathon and lots of things harder than an Ironman.
2009-12-06 11:02 AM
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The two big races I am concentrating on are IMFL and White Lake Half which is May 1st. I will do the BT IM plan leading up to IMFL and the BT HIM plan leading up to White Lake. They fit together pretty well. I may throw a couple of sprints or half marathons or something in there but those two will be my focus.

2009-12-07 8:39 AM
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Akrakowski - 2009-12-01 10:39 PM April or May: Oly in MD or VA 6/13: Eagleman 70.3 6/20: Ride for the Cure Century 7/18: NYC Tri (Oly) August: Sprint? 9/12: Nations Tri (Oly) 11/6: IMFL My year of fun (and spending too much $$$ on reg fees...)

Duuuude I'll be doing Eagleman and Nations too! oh yeah and IMFL haha

Check out the Kinetic International Distance on May 9th(?), www.setup-events.com puts it on and they do good stuff.

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My races:

Breast Cancer Half Mary - 2/21(R) - FL
National Half Marathon - 3/20 - DC
Brandywine Duathlon - 3/28 (R) - PA?

Kinetic Half - 5/8 - VA
Cascade Lake Triathlon - 5/16(R) - DE?
Breezy Point Triathlon - 5/30 - VA
Eagleman 70.3 (A race) - 6/13 (R) - MD
Ironman Lake Placid Training Camp 6/17-20
Philadelphia Triathlon Oly - 6/27(R) - PA
Cannonman Triathlon - 8/22(R) - PA
Nations Tri - 9/12 (R) - DC
Augusta 70.3 - 9/26 - GA
Cape Henlopen Triathlon - 10/10(R) - DE?
Ironman Florida (A race) - 11/6(R) - FL

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2009-12-07 2:07 PM
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[The swim is by far my strongest event, and the bike is by far the slowest.  i will be the girl that the two drafting lines have to move around for the first 10 miles of the bike   (I expect to be out of the water in under 70 minutes and am allowing my self 7.5 hours or the bike!!!)

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2009-12-07 5:17 PM
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IMFL isn't the only well known race out there that has a rep for drafting... I suspect that Augusta 70.3 might be placed on that list after this year...   My take is what others have said- if there is drafting avoid it whenever you can.  Otherwise, it is what it is... I am certain there is still some drafting going on at other IM events.  Anybody who uses that as an excuse to downplay this event is simply full of it.
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I have posted this link before, on several occasions...it is an analysis of the race venues and which one(s) will give you the best shot at KQ...doesn't necessarily say which one is "easiest" or "hardest"....BUT, my dad can beat your dad up ...

I resent people saying IMFL is "easy" and that every one drafts.  TRue, there is a lot of drafting, but with 2,500 people racing, I think I only saw maybe 10% drafting...just what I have personally witnessed.  I think it would be interesting to do a study of those who Kona Qualify and see which race yields the most top 3 finishers at Kona.   

Anyway, race your own race and everyone else can pi$$ off Tongue out

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Well said!


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Shanks - 2009-12-07 9:39 AM

p>Duuuude I'll be doing Eagleman and Nations too! oh yeah and IMFL haha

Check out the Kinetic International Distance on May 9th(?), www.setup-events.com puts it on and they do good stuff.

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Shanks: DUUUDE! I was looking at the National Half Marathon as well as either the Rumpass or Kinetic Oly by SetUp. Would you add another late season 70.3 in there? Hope to meet you out there at some point!

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2009-12-07 10:27 PM
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Shanks: DUUUDE! I was looking at the National Half Marathon as well as either the Rumpass or Kinetic Oly by SetUp. Would you add another late season 70.3 in there? Hope to meet you out there at some point! Andy

National Half Mary should be cool and hopefully fast. Kinetic is a cool weekend because the Oly is Sat and then you can hang out and watch the Sprint on Sun. I would do a Half in August or late Sept if you could. It'll give you a bit more confidence and give you another chance to practice pace and nutrition incase the first one didn't go so well.

Yeah dude we'll have to meet up at one of these races.

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2009-12-08 4:21 AM
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Well I decided to do a comparison of finish times for the first place men across 2009 IM Events (name of finisher provided)

FL 08:24:29 KOTSHEGAROV
CDA 08:32:12 PONTANO
WIS 08:45:19 TISSINK
LP 08:36:37 TWELSIEK
AZN 08:13:35 RAPP

There are variables of course, like weather that can impact times, but the median finish time of all IM events 2009 in the US (excluding Kona) is 08:28:21, which makes FL only four minutes "faster".

That being said, saying an Ironman race is easy is like saying that a root canal is pleasant.
2009-12-08 5:36 AM
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I think the rigor of the IMs can be determined alot of ways via prior year's times at top AG or KQ levels. The bigger question for me is how the middle of the AG pack does on avg comparatively. But Mimir98 makes a great point. It doesn't really matter.

However, for some reason, I will have a hard time telling people that question IMFL's toughness to pess off cause of those damn youtube videos.

At IMAZ, I think in direct response to those videos, the marshalls were out in full force on the course. I saw many folks getting penalties and in the penalty tents. So who is to say it won't be different this year at IMFL? And even if not, we are still going 140.6 without drafting as much as humanly possible.


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Like Mimi shared, it is all about we execute our race.

I had originally planned on doing IMAZ next year. The coach I used this year strongly encouraged me to do FL instead for a couple reasons mainly the run course. After IMFL this year when a couple athletes he coached raced, in his blog he wrote about the drafting and shared he'd never do this race because of it. It puzzled me at first but it made more sense in time as he KQs and comes in top in his AG if you knew you wouldn't draft and others might effected your ability to KQ I guess that could be a reason.

While for me KQing is not a consideration and what others do I don't worry so much about.


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Seems to me that no one owes anyone any explanation or defense that IMFL (or AZ or any race) is any less of an IM than others.  I personally have never heard anyone say this, but certain there are those who might challenge based on the drafting videos.  I would still think that the percentage of those in this sport who cheat are small.  Perhaps the videos of drafting at IMFL will push race officials to hammer down on this issue if it is becoming pervasive.  It saw many athletes drafting at Augusta 70.3.  In some cases it was "forced" due to crowded course, and in other cases is was clear team work.  In the end, it doesn't bother me as I can only accept accountability for my race.  I sleep well at night knowing I gave my best in an honest way.  Besides, who wants to allow some big headed, pro-wanta-be, knuckle-head take away from what should be a positive experience training and experiencing the event?  Not me...
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Mike Ervolina - 2009-12-08 4:21 AM Well I decided to do a comparison of finish times for the first place men across 2009 IM Events (name of finisher provided) FL 08:24:29 KOTSHEGAROV CDA 08:32:12 PONTANO WIS 08:45:19 TISSINK LP 08:36:37 TWELSIEK AZN 08:13:35 RAPP There are variables of course, like weather that can impact times, but the median finish time of all IM events 2009 in the US (excluding Kona) is 08:28:21, which makes FL only four minutes "faster". That being said, saying an Ironman race is easy is like saying that a root canal is pleasant.


Because all the fastest professionals raced Kona less than a month before so they don't come to FL.
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JackieSBR - 2009-12-07 2:07 PM [The swim is by far my strongest event, and the bike is by far the slowest.  i will be the girl that the two drafting lines have to move around for the first 10 miles of the bike   (I expect to be out of the water in under 70 minutes and am allowing my self 7.5 hours or the bike!!!)

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Hey, it's way, way too early to be knowing how fast you'll swim or bike or run.  Still have a year of training in which to get faster and stronger. 
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RE: drafting.  I can say there was WAY less drafting this year than last year and that the USAT officials were actively trying to break it up.  They had a much much more visable presence on the course and I saw packs of people in the penalty tent.  I was actually very impressed with how well they did this year.  It is a one loop 112 mile course and they can'tbe everywhere at once.  If you choose to cheat thats your issue.

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