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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ^^^ what he said. what I try to do is to keep my optimal cadence even. What my optimal cadence is? well the one I feel most comfortable riding all the time, for me it is between around 90-95 rpm. For others it might be anywhere between 75 to 100 rpm, that is not all that important, what's important is that you keep your effort at that optimal cadence when possible. With that in mind when doing intervals shooting for an specific power/HR/RPE I up my effort by changing gears (one at a time) until I am on the goal effort but my rpms remain around the same (again for me 90-95 rpm). |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know. I'll change gears and try to stay at 90rpms... |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hi Jorge! Thank you for doing this. Please count me in for the HR/RPE group. This is what I need to keep motivated and improve my bike speed for next year's races. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Could you clarify what the different RPE's would correlate to, please? For example, is 6 the all-out can only sustain the effort for a few minutes level, or is that a 10? I know there are several different schools of thought on the numerical assignments, and I didn't see anywhere on your blog that it was spelled out. Of course, I have a nasty habit of asking for something that's right in front of me... |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hi Jorge, I was preparing my planing for next week and realised that the 3rd workout of the week gives a total of 55min. Is it normal or am I unable to understand your formula. Here's how I read it WU - 5' @ (68-73%) MS - 2 x 10' @ (86-91%) / 5' @ (78-83%) then 15' @ (78-83%) CD - 5' @ (68-73%) That would give a total of 55 minutes, is it correct? Thank you in advance |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rlejeune - 2008-11-16 7:21 AM Hi Jorge, I was preparing my planing for next week and realised that the 3rd workout of the week gives a total of 55min. Is it normal or am I unable to understand your formula. Here's how I read it WU - 5' @ (68-73%) MS - 2 x 10' @ (86-91%) / 5' @ (78-83%) then 15' @ (78-83%) CD - 5' @ (68-73%) That would give a total of 55 minutes, is it correct? Thank you in advance
I did this one last week for an early start. I did the 10' set then the 5' rest interval, then the 10' set, then went right into the 15' set as it's the same %'s as the 5' rest interval set. I don't know if this was right, but it came out to 50' total. |
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![]() | ![]() Jorge, Thanks for doing this...sounds great....but how will we get the day to day work outs?? will you post them here or will they come to us an an email in out BT in box?? can you elaborate..... |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Just visit Jorge's logs, he has a link to his blog and the programs are there Edited by rlejeune 2008-11-16 1:54 PM |
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![]() | ![]() Thanks, Robert!! I went to the site and found the program. |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() givemashot - 2008-11-16 12:37 AM Could you clarify what the different RPE's would correlate to, please? For example, is 6 the all-out can only sustain the effort for a few minutes level, or is that a 10? I know there are several different schools of thought on the numerical assignments, and I didn't see anywhere on your blog that it was spelled out. Of course, I have a nasty habit of asking for something that's right in front of me... the info is on my blog, here is the link: http://jorgepbmcoaching.blogspot.com/2008/11/winter-cycling-plan-training-zones-and.html ![]() |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tri MD - 2008-11-16 1:17 PM Jorge, Thanks for doing this...sounds great....but how will we get the day to day work outs?? will you post them here or will they come to us an an email in out BT in box?? can you elaborate..... there aren't any daily sessions. There are three suggested sessions per week that you will do as you can. The sessions will posted on my blog (http://jorgepbmcoaching.blogspot.com/) all the specifics are in this thread and in the blog, please go to read it. |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() CKinsey - 2008-11-16 8:44 AM what he said! rlejeune - 2008-11-16 7:21 AM Hi Jorge, I was preparing my planing for next week and realised that the 3rd workout of the week gives a total of 55min. Is it normal or am I unable to understand your formula. Here's how I read it WU - 5' @ (68-73%) MS - 2 x 10' @ (86-91%) / 5' @ (78-83%) then 15' @ (78-83%) CD - 5' @ (68-73%) That would give a total of 55 minutes, is it correct? Thank you in advance
I did this one last week for an early start. I did the 10' set then the 5' rest interval, then the 10' set, then went right into the 15' set as it's the same %'s as the 5' rest interval set. I don't know if this was right, but it came out to 50' total. ![]() |
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![]() | ![]() JorgeM - 2008-11-16 7:40 PM CKinsey - 2008-11-16 8:44 AM what he said! rlejeune - 2008-11-16 7:21 AM Hi Jorge, I was preparing my planing for next week and realised that the 3rd workout of the week gives a total of 55min. Is it normal or am I unable to understand your formula. Here's how I read it WU - 5' @ (68-73%) MS - 2 x 10' @ (86-91%) / 5' @ (78-83%) then 15' @ (78-83%) CD - 5' @ (68-73%) That would give a total of 55 minutes, is it correct? Thank you in advance
I did this one last week for an early start. I did the 10' set then the 5' rest interval, then the 10' set, then went right into the 15' set as it's the same %'s as the 5' rest interval set. I don't know if this was right, but it came out to 50' total. ![]() I tried this one last night as an erg workout on the ct. In the power meter version of Q3, the rests are at a lower wattage than the 15 minute bit but as described above I just skipped over the second rest. Erg is different because you can pedal at the same cadence in the same gear throughout the session and the ct varies the loads for each interval. One drawback is that the ct wants a 10 minute warm up before calibrating the rolling resistance. I did a 10 minute warm up again and calibrated before the main set, so I still got an extra 5 minutes in the workout. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I did the first w/o this morning. I'm pleasantly suprised to see I didn't lose that much considering I haven't been on a bike since September. Of course it's only the first stage so we'll see ![]() |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ok people; get ready to start laying the foundation to increase your power over the winter! Some will be starting today or some of us tomorrow. Remember to read the notes and details on this thread and on the blog. As I get more information I will continue to post on my blog and anytime anyone has any questions please post in here. You can always get links to the workouts and other info on my BT log or my blog. If any of you haven’t really take any time off from training and you fitness is solid right now, then you can go ahead and add more time on the saddle while those of us who did catch up If you are like me and took time away from the saddle and need to get back in shape, then do each session as you fitness allows you. IOW, if the session is too tough then make it a bit shorter; make rests a bit longer, etc. if it is a bit easy add an interval or make it a bit longer. Within a few weeks you should be able to have a solid idea of how fit you are and how much you can push. Just remember the key is consistency; it is better to do a bit less today so you can do more the next sessions rather than doing too much today and end up too tired to do anything the next session. Sessions start at 40-50 min and will get to 1 hr considering this are geared to do on the trainer. If you are lucky enough to live in nice weather area then you can do this outside and ride longer. The next two weeks are prep phase - let’s get use to the training routine, understand the plan, get the body used to training again, make sure our training area is organized and ready, etc ***Remember this is a general plan with general guidelines so each of you will have to do adjustments that fit your needs, but if you follow the core of it and are consistent getting all sessions every week you WILL grow fitter and stronger*** Enjoy, train smart, be consistent and let’s all push each other! |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Rencor - 2008-11-17 11:10 AM I did the first w/o this morning. I'm pleasantly suprised to see I didn't lose that much considering I haven't been on a bike since September. Of course it's only the first stage so we'll see ![]() good job, I will start tomorrow! My schedule will follow a Tue, Thur, Sat frequency |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ok, so here goes! I did the first workout today. I promise I won't do this with upcoming workouts, but thought some of you analytical types might want to look at this and give me some feedback and it may answer questions that others have as they embark on this program. I have never had any real direction as to how to train other than reading and have never really done much in the way of structured interval training. Here are my stats from today: Oh, ,my estimated LTHR based on self testing is 167bpm on the bike. I am trying to get it professionally tested. Time: 40:08 min AveHR: 132-79% MaxHR: 164-98% WU: ave-115, max 142- 69-85% Intervals: aveHR: 154-92% MaxHR: 164-98% 10 min after intervals: Ave-144, Max 161-86-96% CD: Ave-130, max 138-78-83% I would say my RPE during the intervals was at 5-6, and the CD was at 2. I will be following a Monday, Thursday, Saturday schedule due to my business travel and it may change from time to time at that. This is going to be very good for me! Edited by Gregkl 2008-11-17 3:39 PM |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Same here. I have never followed any plan directly. I have also been avoiding my bike! I started my plan today.I will be on a MWF plan. I didn't break my wo down as much but my av hr was 133 and max was 162. My seat needs to be moved up some as my knees were sore throughout the session. I think once my seat is right I will be just fine. Thanks again Jorge for doing this. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Gregkl or others... Wondering what you use for HRM. I am in the market to get a new one as I have a basic polar which does not allow a lap or pause function. Therefore I can only get an avg & max HR for the entire workout. I assume a lap function is how you got the avg/max for all the different portions of the training session. Is this correct? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() monkeytri - 2008-11-17 5:25 PM pretty much any of the Polar, Timex, Garmin, Saunto and other options will work. They have different models with different features and prices. I would personally suggest one HR and GPS/pedometer because you can use the HR for the bike and the pace/distance for the run which IMO is the best way to become a better runner.Gregkl or others... Wondering what you use for HRM. I am in the market to get a new one as I have a basic polar which does not allow a lap or pause function. Therefore I can only get an avg & max HR for the entire workout. I assume a lap function is how you got the avg/max for all the different portions of the training session. Is this correct? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() monkeytri - 2008-11-17 6:25 PM Gregkl or others... Wondering what you use for HRM. I am in the market to get a new one as I have a basic polar which does not allow a lap or pause function. Therefore I can only get an avg & max HR for the entire workout. I assume a lap function is how you got the avg/max for all the different portions of the training session. Is this correct? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. I like my Polar (models have changed since my purchase) as I can use it for the entire tri. But if training is the main goal, I really like my wife's Garmin 305, though it doesn't like water, so swimming is out of the question unless you do some other steps that I wouldn't bother with. Were still trying to figure out what it can do. But I really like if for running and riding and borrow it whenever I can. Another nice feature for those of us stuck on trainers is the cadence add on ($38 at Amazon), which will give you your cadence and mph (not sure how accurate but at least it's something) There have been some threads regarding sales at Costco which is happening now and REI's may have them in a bundle package in the next week or two. Might be worth checking into. Just a little warning the altitude function can be a little out of wack.
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() monkeytri - 2008-11-17 5:25 PM Gregkl or others... Wondering what you use for HRM. I am in the market to get a new one as I have a basic polar which does not allow a lap or pause function. Therefore I can only get an avg & max HR for the entire workout. I assume a lap function is how you got the avg/max for all the different portions of the training session. Is this correct? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. What the rest said! I have an older Polar S410 which is on it's last leg. Leaks water and one of the buttons doesn't work anymore. I am looking at the new Polar's, but am considering training by RPE until I can afford a power meter. I do like the features of the RS400SD though it is expensive! I have always trained with HR, so I am not sure if I should do away with it. In sprints and other tri's that are not chip timed, I can take my own splits if I have a Polar unit that I can wear for all three disciplines. Or I could get a timex for $40 and still get my splits without the HR data. Jorge, weigh in on whether you think I should stay with HR vs. RPE only.
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Gregkl - 2008-11-17 8:41 PM Jorge, weigh in on whether you think I should stay with HR vs. RPE only. for the next few weeks I would go by RPE 1st and HR second until we do the test. That been said, given the limitations of HR training it would be wise for you to learn to develop your RPE. You will use the HR to complement your training sessions and make sure you are on the right park but RPE will always should get you closer to the actual intensity you should be training at. It just takes a bit of time to develop that skill! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thank you so much again for doing this, Jorge. I, like so many others, really appreciate your valuable time. I'm really, really new to all of this, and I just want to be absolutely clear that I'm proceeding correctly. I'm really sorry if these questions are stupid, but could I trouble you to let me know if I've got this right? I'm in the HRM/RPE group. So, I go to your blog and scroll down to the "Cycling Plan Week 1 (HRM & RPE)" and find this chart. I then see what I need to do for my first session or Q1. The first thing I need to do for my first session is a warm up (WU), specifically WU #1. So, I then find your WU chart for HRM/RPEs to see what the WU #1 looks like. WU #1 will be 10' @68-73% HR + 5' as 30" @ 97-103%HR/30" 68-73HR. So, I will spend my first 10 minutes getting and keeping my HR between 68-73%. Then I spend the next 5 minutes and 30 seconds getting and keeping my HR between 97-103%. Then I spend 30 seconds between 68-73%. So, then I check out what the MS involves. I spend my first 30 seconds getting and keeping my HR between 95-100%. I take a rest for 30 seconds and repeat this 9 times. I would then spend my next 10 minutes getting and keeping my HR between 78-83%. I then do my cool down which consists of 5 minutes of getting and keeping my HR between 68-73%, with an RPE of 2-3. So, I will have spent 16 minutes in WU, 20 minutes in MS and 5 minutes in CD with a total of 41 minutes. Am I on the right track? Thank you soooo very much! - Lora |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This sounds like fun and the duration works out great! I should finish up, take a couple of weeks to "chill" and then start the 2009 training plans!!!! |
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