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2012-12-04 3:46 PM
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spudone - 2012-12-04 12:22 PM

Put it this way, at IM Canada last summer I averaged 143 watts (side note: I'm very surprised I went sub-6 on that).  But yeah.. it's going to be a long recovery I think

Says you must have a great position!  I can't imagine being able to ride that fast with those power numbers.

Thanks!  I chatted with Leegoocrap a bit about that.  Ran a few numbers in Golden Cheetah aerolab and also by hand and my CdA was about .213.  It pays to keep your head down   Oh and I think a lot of triathletes are chickenspit descenders, but that's another story.  Who needs brakes!



2012-12-04 3:49 PM
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spudone - 2012-12-04 12:22 PM

Put it this way, at IM Canada last summer I averaged 143 watts (side note: I'm very surprised I went sub-6 on that).  But yeah.. it's going to be a long recovery I think

Says you must have a great position!  I can't imagine being able to ride that fast with those power numbers.

Thanks!  I chatted with Leegoocrap a bit about that.  Ran a few numbers in Golden Cheetah aerolab and also by hand and my CdA was about .213.  It pays to keep your head down   Oh and I think a lot of triathletes are chickenspit descenders, but that's another story.  Who needs brakes!

Ha, not just triathletes.  I bike with a lot of folks that ride their breaks.  I climb just so I can go down. 

2012-12-04 3:54 PM
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bzgl40 - 2012-12-04 1:49 PM
spudone - 2012-12-04 2:46 PM
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spudone - 2012-12-04 12:22 PM

Put it this way, at IM Canada last summer I averaged 143 watts (side note: I'm very surprised I went sub-6 on that).  But yeah.. it's going to be a long recovery I think

Says you must have a great position!  I can't imagine being able to ride that fast with those power numbers.

Thanks!  I chatted with Leegoocrap a bit about that.  Ran a few numbers in Golden Cheetah aerolab and also by hand and my CdA was about .213.  It pays to keep your head down   Oh and I think a lot of triathletes are chickenspit descenders, but that's another story.  Who needs brakes!

Ha, not just triathletes.  I bike with a lot of folks that ride their breaks.  I climb just so I can go down. 

http://app.strava.com/activities/19968560#359565661

This is how you go downhill.  I passed so many people on that stretch it wasn't even funny.

2012-12-04 4:26 PM
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spudone - 2012-12-04 5:54 PM
bzgl40 - 2012-12-04 1:49 PM
spudone - 2012-12-04 2:46 PM
GoFaster - 2012-12-04 1:41 PM
spudone - 2012-12-04 12:22 PM

Put it this way, at IM Canada last summer I averaged 143 watts (side note: I'm very surprised I went sub-6 on that).  But yeah.. it's going to be a long recovery I think

Says you must have a great position!  I can't imagine being able to ride that fast with those power numbers.

Thanks!  I chatted with Leegoocrap a bit about that.  Ran a few numbers in Golden Cheetah aerolab and also by hand and my CdA was about .213.  It pays to keep your head down   Oh and I think a lot of triathletes are chickenspit descenders, but that's another story.  Who needs brakes!

Ha, not just triathletes.  I bike with a lot of folks that ride their breaks.  I climb just so I can go down. 

http://app.strava.com/activities/19968560#359565661

This is how you go downhill.  I passed so many people on that stretch it wasn't even funny.

Pfffft, only 71 watts?  

I was the same way at IMMT, I got passed by a boatload of people on the climbs but I re-passed a ton of them on the descents.

2012-12-04 4:27 PM
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bzgl40 - 2012-12-04 5:39 PM
ChrisM - 2012-12-04 2:37 PM
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blbriley - 2012-12-04 11:21 AM

I've gone from a Gold membership, to a Bronze membership, and now just a regular old member.  I don't believe in subsidizing this downward spiral.

What's funny is that you seem to be following the exact model BT has set up.  Come to this site as a beginner looking for knowledge.  But as you learn more, we don't need you as much...and once you learn enough, you may as well be on your way because we only cater to the beginners.  This is after all BEGINNER Triathlete.

Ok...some of that is in pink...but still...

LOL, yup, was a gold member,,,,, then silver,,, 

and now?

I'm on the same path.  Just waiting for my term to expire.  I made that choice when they banned Bryan but then wouldn't even have a dialog with him about it.

Ditto, I can't see me renewing mine when it runs out.

2012-12-04 4:48 PM
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Well, all ranting aside, we can thank Fred for creating this safe haven for us. 


2012-12-04 4:49 PM
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tri808 - 2012-12-04 6:48 PM Well, all ranting aside, we can thank Fred for creating this safe haven for us. 

Absolutely!  I hope he finds his way back sometime.

2012-12-04 6:31 PM
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acumenjay - 2012-12-04 4:32 PM

...it isn't any single post from Tom that'll get you to explode, it's if you happen to read an accumulated volume of his BS...after awhile it's enough...It is almost as if the guy purposely just focuses on coming up with polarizing non-contributing things he finds amusing because he has nothing to better to do.  I purposely stopped reading anything he posts awhile ago.

Unfortunately, as you note, the people best suited to give advice get pushed away because the over riding culture here is thin skinned and can't handle truth.  I tried to stop reading the main forum as much.  I can't tell you how many times I've typed a post and deleted it before posting.  Luckily people like Shane and the very few others still take the time to respond to a lot of the questions...

I'll be sorry to see Fred go.  Will definitely check in on his blog.  I actually read ST a lot more than I read BT.  As crude as it gets there actually is knowledge in there.

Agree completely.
2012-12-05 1:02 AM
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Had an ok ride today.  Tried to do 2x15 @ 260w but chickened out 2/3 through the second set.  Decided to recover and throw in a 5' all out effort at the end and managed 322w.  Still only 4 days out from giving blood, so not too bad.
2012-12-05 6:12 AM
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Strength training and a short run on tap for me today.  What's everyone else got on the schedule for today?
2012-12-05 6:22 AM
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5500 meters in the pool this morning.  

WU: 300 swim, 200 free/stroke, 100 IM 

12x100 free on descending pace times 3x(1:35, 1:30, 1:25, 1:20

12x75 kick as 75 fast on 1:30, 50 fast/25 easy on 1:40, 25 fast/50 easy on 1:50, 75 easy on 2:00 

200 swim on 3:40 
3x400 on 6:00 (5:24-5:26
2x200 swim on 3:40 
400 on 6:00 (5:22
200 swim on 3:40 
400 fast (5:21) - not much left in the tank at this point

ZZZZzzzzzZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.......



2012-12-05 6:27 AM
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5500 would take me all day to do. 

 

axteraa - 2012-12-05 5:22 AM

5500 meters in the pool this morning.  

WU: 300 swim, 200 free/stroke, 100 IM 

12x100 free on descending pace times 3x(1:35, 1:30, 1:25, 1:20

12x75 kick as 75 fast on 1:30, 50 fast/25 easy on 1:40, 25 fast/50 easy on 1:50, 75 easy on 2:00 

200 swim on 3:40 
3x400 on 6:00 (5:24-5:26
2x200 swim on 3:40 
400 on 6:00 (5:22
200 swim on 3:40 
400 fast (5:21) - not much left in the tank at this point

ZZZZzzzzzZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

2012-12-05 6:31 AM
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I am very sorry to see Fred go. I wish him all the best. On a selfish note - he's been a great resource for me...and a font of knowledge for many.

I've got a Jorge's trainer session and a short run today. It's POURING rain (the dog went to the door, I opened it (onto a porch), she stepped outside, took one look and came right back inside), so it's looking like it will all be inside today. I really struggle with running outside when it's in the mid 30s and raining. My least favorite weather.

As you all may remember - I'm really struggling with my motivation. I think I may have figured it out but now I need some help if you have the time/inclination. Two years ago, (after two seasons under my belt) I signed up for my first HIM (part of the overall plan of a four year progression to full distance) and got hurt about 4 months before the event [my cuboid bone in my right foot was sliding out of place during runs] and completely trash-canned my season.

Before the injury, I had some fairly lofty goals (for me)...improve on my standalone HM time by 15 minutes overall, complete the HIM, improve on my Sprint and Oly times. All these goals went out the window with the injury.

In 2012, I slowly came back from the injury and decided to attempt the HIM distance. The first HIM rolled around (Patriot HIM in June 2012), had a great time and immediately signed up for my next (Pumpkinman HIM Sept 2012) thinking I could shave significant time off. The race didn't work out as I expected (80% because I wasn't as religious about following a training plan, 20% because of things outside of my control) and I was crushed. Now, I'm REALLY hesitant to sign up for races because of the a$$-whooping I got [mostly mental].

I'm thinking that I'm setting unrealistic goals for myself and I keep not achieving them, so now I'm afraid to set a goal because I've convinced myself that I won't get there...this is due primarily because I have NO experience in athletics/training...just what I've gleaned along the way...so, I'm throwing this out there to you all (the experienced ones)...what would be a reasonable/achievable goal (or goals) for me in the 2013 season? I know this is asking for some homework on your part (all my logs are up to date, all my race reports are pretty detailed - almost to the point of excruciating detail)...but can you help me set some achievable goals for 2013?

Thanks for any guidance.

2012-12-05 7:00 AM
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itsallrelative_Maine - 2012-12-05 6:31 AM

I am very sorry to see Fred go. I wish him all the best. On a selfish note - he's been a great resource for me...and a font of knowledge for many.

I've got a Jorge's trainer session and a short run today. It's POURING rain (the dog went to the door, I opened it (onto a porch), she stepped outside, took one look and came right back inside), so it's looking like it will all be inside today. I really struggle with running outside when it's in the mid 30s and raining. My least favorite weather.

As you all may remember - I'm really struggling with my motivation. I think I may have figured it out but now I need some help if you have the time/inclination. Two years ago, (after two seasons under my belt) I signed up for my first HIM (part of the overall plan of a four year progression to full distance) and got hurt about 4 months before the event [my cuboid bone in my right foot was sliding out of place during runs] and completely trash-canned my season.

Before the injury, I had some fairly lofty goals (for me)...improve on my standalone HM time by 15 minutes overall, complete the HIM, improve on my Sprint and Oly times. All these goals went out the window with the injury.

In 2012, I slowly came back from the injury and decided to attempt the HIM distance. The first HIM rolled around (Patriot HIM in June 2012), had a great time and immediately signed up for my next (Pumpkinman HIM Sept 2012) thinking I could shave significant time off. The race didn't work out as I expected (80% because I wasn't as religious about following a training plan, 20% because of things outside of my control) and I was crushed. Now, I'm REALLY hesitant to sign up for races because of the a$$-whooping I got [mostly mental].

I'm thinking that I'm setting unrealistic goals for myself and I keep not achieving them, so now I'm afraid to set a goal because I've convinced myself that I won't get there...this is due primarily because I have NO experience in athletics/training...just what I've gleaned along the way...so, I'm throwing this out there to you all (the experienced ones)...what would be a reasonable/achievable goal (or goals) for me in the 2013 season? I know this is asking for some homework on your part (all my logs are up to date, all my race reports are pretty detailed - almost to the point of excruciating detail)...but can you help me set some achievable goals for 2013?

Thanks for any guidance.

I find that setting goals on the whole of triathlon is difficult. It's hard to put a "time" goal because every course is so different.


Instead, I am looking at the three sports individually
On the run, I know my VDOT and a goal to improve a VDOT by 1 or 2 points is very reasonable. 10km runs are probably the best to track progress, but 5km are fine for tracking progress.
On the bike, I know my FTP and I know my weight, so to improve my W/KG by .1, .2, .3 is a reasonable goal
On the swim, to knock 2s/100m probably is reasonable.
Related to my W/kg, to hit a weight target is part of my plan.
To achieve a total workout volume say 10% more than last year is a reasonable target

On a weekly/montly basis, my average pace on the run, chasing points on my CP curve for the bike, a beat the clock on the swim, my average weight are ways of chasing short terms goals that add up to long term goals.

If I do all of those, then hopefully the sum of it, on a good race day will give me a result I am happy with. To chase X hours on a HIM makes no sense.

If I get injured in one sport, just keep tracking progress in the 2 others.


Does this make any sense ? I can expand if so.

2012-12-05 7:08 AM
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bzgl40 - 2012-12-05 6:12 AM Strength training and a short run on tap for me today.  What's everyone else got on the schedule for today?

I'm going to try to drag myself to CardioAbs early this evening. I also have a 3ish mile run planned. I've been on the trainer two days in a row (wow!), so I'm taking a break from that today.

2012-12-05 7:46 AM
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marcag - 2012-12-04 8:00 AM
itsallrelative_Maine - 2012-12-05 6:31 AM

blah, blah, blah

I find that setting goals on the whole of triathlon is difficult. It's hard to put a "time" goal because every course is so different.


Instead, I am looking at the three sports individually
On the run, I know my VDOT and a goal to improve a VDOT by 1 or 2 points is very reasonable. 10km runs are probably the best to track progress, but 5km are fine for tracking progress.
On the bike, I know my FTP and I know my weight, so to improve my W/KG by .1, .2, .3 is a reasonable goal
On the swim, to knock 2s/100m probably is reasonable.
Related to my W/kg, to hit a weight target is part of my plan.
To achieve a total workout volume say 10% more than last year is a reasonable target

On a weekly/montly basis, my average pace on the run, chasing points on my CP curve for the bike, a beat the clock on the swim, my average weight are ways of chasing short terms goals that add up to long term goals.

If I do all of those, then hopefully the sum of it, on a good race day will give me a result I am happy with. To chase X hours on a HIM makes no sense.

If I get injured in one sport, just keep tracking progress in the 2 others.


Does this make any sense ? I can expand if so.

This is good info. I like the idea of 1) focusing on improvements in individual sports and 2) taking the variabilities of a race out of the equation...a question though - if I am constantly pushing to beat the clock/improve my pace/CP...does this set me up for injury?

What this points to immediately (for me) is I need to do some testing/set baselines. Whoo hoo!



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x2 on what Marc said - I focus on improving the individual aspects of each discipline.

VDOT on the run, W/kg on the bike, T-Pace (1000 TT) on the swim...if I can do that I know I am making improvement as a whole in triathlon.

I know alot of people get caught up the allure of longer distances.  I was only training 8-10 hrs last year and was doing HIM distances and should have stuck to Olympic distances.  This year that is what I am going to do. 

Race the distance that your life/body comfortably allows for keeping in mind your family and other time commitments..makes everything more enjoyable.

2012-12-05 7:57 AM
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Hit up some early morning threshold intervals on the run.  Garmin died 1 mile into the run so had to go off RPE and a course where I could gauge 1 mile intervals.  Worked out ok..nice to not stare at my pace on those for a change.

Hitting the pool at lunch...yep you heard right .

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itsallrelative_Maine - 2012-12-05 7:46 AM

This is good info. I like the idea of 1) focusing on improvements in individual sports and 2) taking the variabilities of a race out of the equation...a question though - if I am constantly pushing to beat the clock/improve my pace/CP...does this set me up for injury?

What this points to immediately (for me) is I need to do some testing/set baselines. Whoo hoo!

On the swim/bike, I don't think so

On the run, potentially.

I like to chase many things during the month. Chasing them motivates me. I chase TSS points, volume, average pace, time in each zone. But I find chasing some tangibles does help me. Many of these things would not put me at risk of injury. This is something to watch on the run especially



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2012-12-05 8:13 AM
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marcag - 2012-12-05 8:00 AM

I find that setting goals on the whole of triathlon is difficult. It's hard to put a "time" goal because every course is so different.


Instead, I am looking at the three sports individually
On the run, I know my VDOT and a goal to improve a VDOT by 1 or 2 points is very reasonable. 10km runs are probably the best to track progress, but 5km are fine for tracking progress.
On the bike, I know my FTP and I know my weight, so to improve my W/KG by .1, .2, .3 is a reasonable goal
On the swim, to knock 2s/100m probably is reasonable.
Related to my W/kg, to hit a weight target is part of my plan.
To achieve a total workout volume say 10% more than last year is a reasonable target

On a weekly/montly basis, my average pace on the run, chasing points on my CP curve for the bike, a beat the clock on the swim, my average weight are ways of chasing short terms goals that add up to long term goals.

If I do all of those, then hopefully the sum of it, on a good race day will give me a result I am happy with. To chase X hours on a HIM makes no sense.

If I get injured in one sport, just keep tracking progress in the 2 others.


Does this make any sense ? I can expand if so.

Really like this post Marc.

2012-12-05 8:16 AM
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marcag - 2012-12-05 9:00 AM

I find that setting goals on the whole of triathlon is difficult. It's hard to put a "time" goal because every course is so different.


Instead, I am looking at the three sports individually
On the run, I know my VDOT and a goal to improve a VDOT by 1 or 2 points is very reasonable. 10km runs are probably the best to track progress, but 5km are fine for tracking progress.
On the bike, I know my FTP and I know my weight, so to improve my W/KG by .1, .2, .3 is a reasonable goal
On the swim, to knock 2s/100m probably is reasonable.
Related to my W/kg, to hit a weight target is part of my plan.
To achieve a total workout volume say 10% more than last year is a reasonable target

On a weekly/montly basis, my average pace on the run, chasing points on my CP curve for the bike, a beat the clock on the swim, my average weight are ways of chasing short terms goals that add up to long term goals.

If I do all of those, then hopefully the sum of it, on a good race day will give me a result I am happy with. To chase X hours on a HIM makes no sense.

If I get injured in one sport, just keep tracking progress in the 2 others.


Does this make any sense ? I can expand if so.



Great post!

Shane


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Jennifer, there are smarter folks in this group to help you re getting faster. What I do know a lot about is injuries. I'm also adult onset for s/b/r and unfortunately have a long list of injuries in my repertoire. My ambitions always seem to exceed my actual abilities.  For me, learning when to push through pain/discomfort vs knowing when to back off can be a challenge. Because life/work often caused training disruptions, I was loathe to miss or shorten a workout - just because I was tired. As you move into longer distance racing I think you need to consider recovery part of your training. You may already be doing this and injuries do happen but don't forget that rest is important. As a busy mom I realize that "rest" is probably not a word used often.

On a separate note, how did you like the Patriot Half? Some of my tri-club are doing it this year and I'm thinking about signing up.

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I'm finally feeling human after 5 days of trying to cough up a lung.  Not sure if I'll do anything today other than go for a walk, although I owe Kim at least one strength session (side challenge). 
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The elk are conspiring against me, keeping me off the trails.  I might start driving to a trail that have less elk hanging out at the trail head.  If they are all off to the side I'll still go by them but this morning was at least 6 right at the start and they were splitting the trail.  A few young ones there as well.  I could just see how that was going to go when they decided they should all be together on the same side...  There is another trail in my hood I can do but it is a rather large hill.  I am staying away from hills for a little bit. 
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kcarroll - 2012-12-05 7:36 AM I'm finally feeling human after 5 days of trying to cough up a lung.  Not sure if I'll do anything today other than go for a walk, although I owe Kim at least one strength session (side challenge). 

Glad your back among the living again. 

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