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2012-07-17 9:59 AM
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rymac - 2012-07-17 10:29 AM

James:  That is a tough way to start the day but sounds like you handled it pretty well and were still able to pull off an excellent swim time.  Alot of folks can let something like that ruin their entire day.  Way to move on!

Ran this morning - 80 degrees and disgusting humidity at 6:00 am.  I walked out the door and it was just on me...started sweating immediately.   My air conditioning is getting a serious workout this month...not looking forward to that bill.

Swim planned for this afternoon.  The rest of this week is devoted to the bike since I am headed to Columbus, OH to my brothers place for the weekend and won't have my bike..probably just run both days.

Anybody else getting a little bored with the TdF?  Team Skyy is just so strong and protecting Wiggins that it seems like nobody else is going to get close.  If Cadel was maybe :60 seconds back as opposed to 3 minutes I think the Mountain stage coming up would be interesting.  Wiggins and his team just look to strong and he is a beast in the TT coming up as well.  Thoughts?

I don't think Cadel has the legs for it this year - but if he's going to go, it'll be tomorrow and the next day.  He'll have to do exactly what Andy S. tried to do to him last year.  Hopefully it will be a bit more interesting Wed/Thurs.



2012-07-17 12:14 PM
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I agree that the tour might be headed for a very boring finish.  Everything rests on Nibali.  Somebody needs to make an Andy Schleck like move and it's not going to be Evans.  I think Evans has resigned to the fact that he will finish 3rd (he'll beat Nibali in the last TT).  But if Nibali tries to make a heroic move (which is his only shot), Evans has to try and follow.  If Nibali and Evans can team up together to put time on Froome and Wiggins, then Evans might have a chance at the last TT.  If Nibali goes, and Evans doesn't follow...well, I still don't think Nibali will win because Wiggins will still get him in the TT, but he might be able to put enough time into Evans to finish 3rd.  If Nibali doesn't make a serious attack, then the leaders will all stay together (with a few token attacks here and there) all the way to Paris...and the standings won't change.

I hope I'm wrong...and I hope something dramatic happens tomorrow to shake things up.

2012-07-17 12:16 PM
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Anyone see the Rapha Rising leaderboard on Strava?

Some dude has already climbed over 9k meters in 2 rides.  Holy !

2012-07-17 2:02 PM
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Rusty -  I know you signed up for Leadman 2013 250?   Word is they are moving it... to Phoenix.  Ugh.  This link just says on hold, you probably already got an email about it...
http://www.leadmantri.com/page/show/291368-las-vegas-nv

I'll probably be back for Oceanside then

2012-07-17 7:55 PM
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Going for a ride this afternoon and it's 3 days of vacation for me.  Which means 3 days of ridiculous climbing on my bike, followed by hours of watching the TdF and Open Championship golf. 

2012-07-17 7:59 PM
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Tires on my roadie are old and awful. 4 puncture flats in the two weeks I've owned it...

I used to run Gatorskins on my old tri bike. While they weren't totally bomb-proof, they worked. Any reason to look elsewhere? The roadie will mainly be used for training and fun.

Also - tube patches. What kind are you using? Anything I should know before I patch?

(my old tri bike came with 60+ tubes, so I never patched a tube, just pulled a new one out of the box. I don't have a massive stockpile of 700c's, so I need some recommendations)



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2012-07-17 9:50 PM
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TSimone - 2012-07-17 9:16 PM
ratherbeswimming - 2012-07-17 8:59 PM

Tires on my roadie are old and awful. 4 puncture flats in the two weeks I've owned it...

I used to run Gatorskins on my old tri bike. While they weren't totally bomb-proof, they worked. Any reason to look elsewhere? The roadie will mainly be used for training and fun.

Also - tube patches. What kind are you using? Anything I should know before I patch?

(my old tri bike came with 60+ tubes, so I never patched a tube, just pulled a new one out of the box. I don't have a massive stockpile of 700c's, so I need some recommendations)

I train on the stock tires that came on my bike.  If and when I buy new training tires I'm 99.9% sure I'll go with Gatorskins.  The .10% doubt is not knowing if they're OK on a trainer but I'll figure that out.

As for a patch kit, I just grabbed whatever was at the LBS.  Score the tube a little, patch and go.  Bigger holes in the tire can cause you grief though as the tube will try to push thru. 

4 puncture flats in 2 weeks?  Were they all from crud on the road for certain?  If you're not sure check out the rim tape and spokes.

Definitely from the road. Different spots, and I always found a tiny thorn or something in the tire. These tires pick up EVERYTHING.

No issues with Gatorskins over ~2k miles, mixed on trainer and road.

2012-07-17 10:09 PM
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ratherbeswimming - 2012-07-17 7:50 PM
TSimone - 2012-07-17 9:16 PM
ratherbeswimming - 2012-07-17 8:59 PM

Tires on my roadie are old and awful. 4 puncture flats in the two weeks I've owned it...

I used to run Gatorskins on my old tri bike. While they weren't totally bomb-proof, they worked. Any reason to look elsewhere? The roadie will mainly be used for training and fun.

Also - tube patches. What kind are you using? Anything I should know before I patch?

(my old tri bike came with 60+ tubes, so I never patched a tube, just pulled a new one out of the box. I don't have a massive stockpile of 700c's, so I need some recommendations)

I train on the stock tires that came on my bike.  If and when I buy new training tires I'm 99.9% sure I'll go with Gatorskins.  The .10% doubt is not knowing if they're OK on a trainer but I'll figure that out.

As for a patch kit, I just grabbed whatever was at the LBS.  Score the tube a little, patch and go.  Bigger holes in the tire can cause you grief though as the tube will try to push thru. 

4 puncture flats in 2 weeks?  Were they all from crud on the road for certain?  If you're not sure check out the rim tape and spokes.

Definitely from the road. Different spots, and I always found a tiny thorn or something in the tire. These tires pick up EVERYTHING.

No issues with Gatorskins over ~2k miles, mixed on trainer and road.

I used GP 4000s in Tucson and only had one flat, and that was from going over bump wrong.  I've biked over a ton of glass as well cause I am fairly lazy when it comes to avoiding stuff.  Well, I do avoid cactus stuff.  I generally never use them on the trainer though.  I instead just steal Tina's wheel. 



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2012-07-18 7:51 AM
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TSimone - 2012-07-17 9:16 PM

I train on the stock tires that came on my bike.  If and when I buy new training tires I'm 99.9% sure I'll go with Gatorskins.  The .10% doubt is not knowing if they're OK on a trainer but I'll figure that out.

Buy a trainer tire.  I've had mine for 4 years.  It does one thing, and it does it well.

2012-07-18 8:19 AM
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Morning!
Looks like we now have a 14 year old asking for nutrition and diet advice on the TT. Why do I even look on that forum??



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2012-07-18 9:18 AM
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Catwoman - 2012-07-18 9:19 AMMorning! Looks like we now have a 14 year old asking for nutrition and diet advice on the TT. Why do I even look on that forum??
I don't know, I think its a good sign of him thinking it thru. What he is eating is not all bad. I don't subscribe to the restrictions others have mentioned. My advice would be to highly limit processed foods and fried foods. Incress his fresh vegetables is another bit I would shoot for.
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2012-07-18 9:56 AM
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I don't think you can go too wrong by following Pollan's straightforward advice: "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants." The first part is the most important part: "Food." I do think that the discussion surrounding triathlon has to much to do with "nutrition" and "nutrients," and not enough focus on just eating real food - vegetables, fruits, whole grains, fish and meat - and to avoid what Pollan calls "edible food-like substances," or what James called "processed foods." A little over 85% of the food we eat comes from our CSA (Vegetables, Fruit, Dairy & Meat) which means it is all local and mostly organic. For us, local trumps organic though, as I think that the variety of eating seasonally is a key component of a healthy diet. Personally we are fortunate to have the time and money to scratch cook, another important factor in the ability to eat "real food." As I know from working daily in communities in the rural south where the obesity levels are the highest in the nation, that is not a viable reality for many.
2012-07-18 10:01 AM
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Hey guys - things are okay over here.  Took a rest day on Monday to go with my mom to her second last (woo hoo) chemotherapy appointment out of town.  Ended up taking a rest day yesterday, not intentionally and after being proactive in the morning and it not working I got lazy in the evening. 

Back at it today.  Swam this morning with the group - had a good swim - we did some fun sets.  We did 'shuttle' where we turned back (no wall) at various point in the pool (halfway, 15m, 20m) and then I go to try the 'metronome' thing for swimming - she had me go really slow to work on lengthening out.  I did drop it and it wen to the bottom of the pool.  At last she gave me anti-paddle to try. I thought they were hilarious. I felt like I was swimming like Fred Flinstone or something with rocks on my hands (though they aren't heavy)

Really looking forward to my long weekend this weekend. we are heading up to Tremblant to train - swim in the lake, ride the course (longest ride) and run.  I am sure we'll be tired but it will be nice to get away too.



2012-07-18 10:10 AM
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Jen - that all sounds really great - But anti-paddles? What are those? Are they like swimming with your fists but worse? Safe travels and training in Tremblant!
2012-07-18 10:12 AM
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TankBoy - 2012-07-18 7:56 AM I don't think you can go too wrong by following Pollan's straightforward advice: "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants." The first part is the most important part: "Food." I do think that the discussion surrounding triathlon has to much to do with "nutrition" and "nutrients," and not enough focus on just eating real food - vegetables, fruits, whole grains, fish and meat - and to avoid what Pollan calls "edible food-like substances," or what James called "processed foods." A little over 85% of the food we eat comes from our CSA (Vegetables, Fruit, Dairy & Meat) which means it is all local and mostly organic. For us, local trumps organic though, as I think that the variety of eating seasonally is a key component of a healthy diet. Personally we are fortunate to have the time and money to scratch cook, another important factor in the ability to eat "real food." As I know from working daily in communities in the rural south where the obesity levels are the highest in the nation, that is not a viable reality for many.

Yeah, we think the same way.  We don't have a CSA here but we have things thing called Bountiful Baskets, which is a co-op.  We get a basket every two weeks and they are a mix of fruit and veggies and they always have an add on veggie pack that I get.  Some of it is organic but not all (although you can get organic packs) and it is all local, but local is a pretty broad range, including Mexico.  But they stay pretty close to the west so it works.  My biggest issue is meat in little ol' Payson.  I have to go to Flagstaff if I want meat that was not raised in a factory farm or other type conditions. 

2012-07-18 10:24 AM
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Fred D - 2012-07-16 9:44 AM
bzgl40 - 2012-07-16 8:25 AM

So my knee problems have gone from annoying to troubling.  It seemed like it got better but then I went on vacation and it really bothered me during hiking.  Bothering me still here at home.  It is not a constant pain, no swelling, no general discomfort.  But I move a particular way and it is a sharp pain.  I am able to locate it a bit better now and it is on the inside of leg towards the bottom/middle side of the knee on the side.  Last night I moved it a particular way and although it shouldn't have bothered me after when I bent my leg all the way bent it was very painful.  When I straightened it back out no pain, so only sore when bent.  Walking was fine.  Today I can bend with no pain. 

I do not need referrals to see a specialist and I do not have a primary care dr here in Payson.  I would normally head off to ART but that would mean driving to Phoenix or to Tucson to my usual guy.  If you were in my shoes and kind of have concerns about dr's here would you still first go get a primary care and start there or would you just see if you could get into PT?

. Sharp pain can be a potential issue to be worried about. Pain with a bent knee makes me think meniscus. You should ask golfpro as he had these issues I believe this year.

Don't trust any internet diagnosis, but that is the first thing I thought of it sounds very similar the symptoms of this pinched meniscus I have been dealing with for most of the summer. Sharp pain on the interior of the knee when it twists, as well as when it bends maximally. No problems at all on the bike or swim (except on the push off the wall during the rotational part of the flip turn).

PT involved two weeks of the doc trying to tear my kneecap off with his bare hands. It got better from there. Ice the joint where it hurts with an ice cup and behind the knee joint with a bag of peas twice a day and after exercise, No running for 7 weeks, PT 2 times per week for the last 9 weeks that included range of motion testing and both ART and Graston work. Runs for the last two weeks have been 15 minute walking warm up and dynamic stretching, 20 minutes of running, 20 minutes of walking cool down. Responded well and it seems to be finally on the mend - I will find out this weekend. If it does not go well then it probably means I have a slight tear. It would take an MRI to determine that. If I have a setback that is my next step.

I would get it to a doc ASAP.

2012-07-18 10:40 AM
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TankBoy - 2012-07-18 8:24 AM
Fred D - 2012-07-16 9:44 AM
bzgl40 - 2012-07-16 8:25 AM

So my knee problems have gone from annoying to troubling.  It seemed like it got better but then I went on vacation and it really bothered me during hiking.  Bothering me still here at home.  It is not a constant pain, no swelling, no general discomfort.  But I move a particular way and it is a sharp pain.  I am able to locate it a bit better now and it is on the inside of leg towards the bottom/middle side of the knee on the side.  Last night I moved it a particular way and although it shouldn't have bothered me after when I bent my leg all the way bent it was very painful.  When I straightened it back out no pain, so only sore when bent.  Walking was fine.  Today I can bend with no pain. 

I do not need referrals to see a specialist and I do not have a primary care dr here in Payson.  I would normally head off to ART but that would mean driving to Phoenix or to Tucson to my usual guy.  If you were in my shoes and kind of have concerns about dr's here would you still first go get a primary care and start there or would you just see if you could get into PT?

. Sharp pain can be a potential issue to be worried about. Pain with a bent knee makes me think meniscus. You should ask golfpro as he had these issues I believe this year.

Don't trust any internet diagnosis, but that is the first thing I thought of it sounds very similar the symptoms of this pinched meniscus I have been dealing with for most of the summer. Sharp pain on the interior of the knee when it twists, as well as when it bends maximally. No problems at all on the bike or swim (except on the push off the wall during the rotational part of the flip turn).

PT involved two weeks of the doc trying to tear my kneecap off with his bare hands. It got better from there. Ice the joint where it hurts with an ice cup and behind the knee joint with a bag of peas twice a day and after exercise, No running for 7 weeks, PT 2 times per week for the last 9 weeks that included range of motion testing and both ART and Graston work. Runs for the last two weeks have been 15 minute walking warm up and dynamic stretching, 20 minutes of running, 20 minutes of walking cool down. Responded well and it seems to be finally on the mend - I will find out this weekend. If it does not go well then it probably means I have a slight tear. It would take an MRI to determine that. If I have a setback that is my next step.

I would get it to a doc ASAP.

Well, I was all for going to the dr until I read the bolded.  Now I am just scared.  lol  j/k

2012-07-18 11:17 AM
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Hi guys. I have some work to do to catch up. Just finishing up my last 2 weeks of third year! Had a really good swim this morning. Did 3x400m free @ 6:20 and held 5:58, 5:55, 5:53. Pretty decent...working in getting my swim back!


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Well folks, I'm improving a bit and able to carry on with some workouts.  I started out doing some jogging with walk breaks.  I did my bike commute yesterday.  I'm avoiding bike routes with tough climbs at the moment though.  I also have a bit of jitters about getting back in the pool but maybe next week.

I was surprised how sore my legs were.  It's amazing how quickly you lose strength after a relatively small amount of time off your feet.

2012-07-18 12:17 PM
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spudone - 2012-07-18 10:12 AM

I was surprised how sore my legs were.  It's amazing how quickly you lose strength after a relatively small amount of time off your feet.

Yeah, but I find that it is short lived and you get back to normal pretty quickly.  Glad your able to get back at it though

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I use a trainer tire for the trainer. Everyday tires are Continental 4000.

Rusty, crossing my fingers that your knee continues to improve.
2012-07-18 9:54 PM
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ratherbeswimming - 2012-07-17 2:59 PM

Tires on my roadie are old and awful. 4 puncture flats in the two weeks I've owned it...

I used to run Gatorskins on my old tri bike. While they weren't totally bomb-proof, they worked. Any reason to look elsewhere? The roadie will mainly be used for training and fun.

Also - tube patches. What kind are you using? Anything I should know before I patch?

(my old tri bike came with 60+ tubes, so I never patched a tube, just pulled a new one out of the box. I don't have a massive stockpile of 700c's, so I need some recommendations)

I use Continental GP4000S during training while in season.  They're pretty flat resistant, and roll well enough for me to hang on with the stronger riders I group ride with.  I use Seca Survivor (flat resistant) tires in the off season when the training isn't as intense.  If I use the Suvivor tires in season, I'll get dropped during group rides and my training suffers.

I just changed out my GP4000S tires today as I had got my 4th flat in 3 weeks.  The tires were pretty worn down...maybe 2000 miles.  But they wear much faster when I do a lot of climbing on this hill with tons of switchbacks.  If I straight roads with less cornering...they last about 3000 miles.

I use the standard patch kit from the LBS that uses glue.  Those sticker patches are garbage.  They're cheap and very small, so it's not a bad idea to carry them as a last resort, but they are not very reliable.

So what I do is use new tubes in my tires, and carry patched tubes as my spare.  When I flat, I put the punctured tube in my pocket to patch when I get home, and use the spare patched tube.  When I patch the punctured tube at home, I let it dry for a few minutes, then put air in and dunk it in a bucket of water to make sure the patch is good.  Bubbles will come out of even the smallest hole.  Then I put that patched tube in my saddle bag to use as a spare.

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