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 2009-09-27 8:35 PM |
Expert  1145    Ann Arbor, MI |  Subject: Short HIM SwimsHas anyone else noticed how so many of the HIM swims look like they have been WAY short this year? I can think of 4 that are seriously suspect, though few admit it. Seems like it's either that, or else people have become part fish and can easily do sub 30 minute swims with rarely anyone going over 40 minutes any more. Maybe on race reports people are hesitant to admit it because a great HIM swim still looks great, but c'mon, why can't the organizers get this right? Edited by yeats 2009-09-27 8:42 PM |
| 2009-09-27 9:03 PM in reply to: #2428892 |
Champion 19812   MA | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims My HIM's swim was short..I did it in 33' and my IM swim in 1:46. I wish I knew how short it was. They admit is was short but not by how much. |
| 2009-09-27 9:26 PM in reply to: #2428892 |
| Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims I absolutely 100% agree with you. Unfortunately, all of mine seem to be too long  I read that some 40-44 AGer went 19 at Augusta! |
| 2009-09-27 10:04 PM in reply to: #2428967 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims ChrisM - 2009-09-27 10:26 PM I absolutely 100% agree with you. Unfortunately, all of mine seem to be too long I read that some 40-44 AGer went 19 at Augusta! Hey, how did you get into my dreams? |
| 2009-09-28 6:25 AM in reply to: #2428967 |
Expert 1394 Wilmington, NC | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims ChrisM - 2009-09-27 10:26 PM I absolutely 100% agree with you. Unfortunately, all of mine seem to be too long I read that some 40-44 AGer went 19 at Augusta! Augusta was super quick, but it was not neccesarily because it was short. That area has had huge amounts of rain and it was raining in the days right up until the race, so the current was raging for the race. Oh and there was also the resident gator making sure nobody slacked off. |
| 2009-09-28 6:53 AM in reply to: #2428892 |
Extreme Veteran 639 Lakeland | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims Two friends of mine raced Augusta, when I tracked their day I was surprised with the swim times. But knowing the recent rains in the area and it being a point to point swim with current their I understood how they could have swum those times.. Knowing their pace times they were seperated about right. So the race day conditions did set the field up for a great day. |
| 2009-09-28 7:16 AM in reply to: #2428892 |
Elite 3683 Whispering Pines, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims Augusta swim was awesome! It STORMED the night before, with some heavy rain and thunder and lightning. Right before we jumped in the water, the wind picked up. I commented to my AG to put up their sails, as this was going to be a fast swim. I don't think it was all that short, though. THe race director stated that we had a half-knot of favorable speed. W00T! |
| 2009-09-28 7:18 AM in reply to: #2429175 |
Champion 9060 Charlottesville, Virginia | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims Need to take note on the short swim venues and make sure to sign up for those. Now if it just had a long bike and short run also I would be set |
| 2009-09-28 3:01 PM in reply to: #2428892 |
Master 1920 Ann Arbor, MI | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims I've got a question, then- if you did a race with a ridiculously fast swim, even if it wasn't short, per se (maybe just with the current), do you take that overall time as a PR? Not to be a jerk, but the two prominent examples are SOR and Augusta- both have almost every competitor under 40min, with most people breaking 30minutes, while some people even posting 19minute swims. Insane!! If the swim is 8-10minutes off, even if it's off for everyone, is your PR still legit? Edited by jazz82482 2009-09-28 3:01 PM |
| 2009-09-28 3:23 PM in reply to: #2428892 |
Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims I posted this in the Official Augusta 70.3 thread but hadn't received a response yet: I did not know until today that this race's swim is a point-to-point swim in a river with a strong current carrying you - AND wetsuit legal! For those of you who participated, do you feel your swim time is a little inflated? Are you okay with that? I kind of see it like setting up a bike course so that you only have a tail wind behind you (I know people who have done this in training)... not sure how I feel about that. Just curious how you feel! |
| 2009-09-28 3:25 PM in reply to: #2430300 |
Veteran 274 Everett, WA | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims jazz82482 - 2009-09-28 1:01 PM I've got a question, then- if you did a race with a ridiculously fast swim, even if it wasn't short, per se (maybe just with the current), do you take that overall time as a PR? Not to be a jerk, but the two prominent examples are SOR and Augusta- both have almost every competitor under 40min, with most people breaking 30minutes, while some people even posting 19minute swims. Insane!! If the swim is 8-10minutes off, even if it's off for everyone, is your PR still legit? I swam 2 'suspect' races this summer and I don't count the times as PR's. How am I supposed to feel after a 'legit' race if I compare it to the 'suspect' race? And I certainly can't plan my next race or my training based on that PR. The only 'plus' for me is everyone has to swim the same course. |
| 2009-09-28 3:49 PM in reply to: #2430300 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims jazz82482 - 2009-09-28 3:01 PM I've got a question, then- if you did a race with a ridiculously fast swim, even if it wasn't short, per se (maybe just with the current), do you take that overall time as a PR? Not to be a jerk, but the two prominent examples are SOR and Augusta- both have almost every competitor under 40min, with most people breaking 30minutes, while some people even posting 19minute swims. Insane!! If the swim is 8-10minutes off, even if it's off for everyone, is your PR still legit? Oh, you are suuuch a jerk.  Just kinda playing Devil’s advocate here… Don’t the course and the conditions always play a role in your overall time, for better or worse? Do you have to race the same event in a shorter time in subsequent years in order to claim a PR? E.g., I finished a HIM this year that had a rolling bike course and a couple of big hills on the run. If I do a different HIM next year on a flat course and PR, should I not get to count that as a PR because the course might not have been as challenging as my previous race? |
| 2009-09-28 4:12 PM in reply to: #2429198 |
Master 1440 | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims dalessit - 2009-09-28 8:18 AM Need to take note on the short swim venues and make sure to sign up for those. Now if it just had a long bike and short run also I would be set When you get that list PM me so i can sign up for next year. |
| 2009-09-28 5:23 PM in reply to: #2430300 |
Expert 1394 Wilmington, NC | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims That question will always be asked no matter what course. If I go do wildflower and then Ironman 70.3 Worlds in Clearwater what is my PR???? I can gaurantee, barring accidents or mechanicals, that Clearwater will be substantially quicker, so what is my PR? If you want to have quick times as PR's you pick quick courses to race. I am doing my 1st HIM in 6 weeks and I picked the course 1) because it is close to home, but also because it will be a salt water, wetsuit legal, incoming tide swim. I suck at swimming so I picked the course because it will help me. Whatever time I finish in will be my PR over the 70.3 distance because that will be a cold hard fact. I will have travelled 70.3mi in X time. If you want to run a PR in a 5k race will you pick a panacke flat course or one that that climbs 100ft/mile? Now all that being said, I also realize that whatever my swim time is in 6 weeks, it will not be that quick at my next HIM, but I will do the next one when it comes and deal with that then. Edited by qrkid 2009-09-28 5:24 PM |
 2009-09-28 5:28 PM in reply to: #2428892 |
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| 2009-09-29 11:11 AM in reply to: #2428892 |
| The Original 7834 Raleigh/Durham | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims The same goes for Beach to Battleship 1/2 IM and IM. The swim is WITH the current so athletes can click off some really fast swim times and pull off some stellar IM Pr's. Chattanoogna Waterfront tri also has a point to point river swim with the current, as well as a handful of others. |
| 2009-09-29 12:05 PM in reply to: #2428892 |
| Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Short HIM Swims I think it's still a PR, but you have to put an asterix next to it.  Speaking of current-assisted swims, check out the swim times in the Philly Olympic distance this year:http://www.phillytri.com/results.html Same as Augusta, the river was running high and fast. There were several people in the mid-teens. |
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