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2010-09-05 4:53 PM


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Subject: Best race of my life unitill USAT got done with me...

OK, I did the City of Lenior Tri on Sat.  I finished 14th overall and 1st in my age group...  When I finished the race the USAT official adv me that I got 2 pen points for position. (loss of 2 min on overall time)  This pushed me to  20th over all and second in my age group.  o well i still qual for nationals.  Has this happend to anyone else?   

Postion is when you don't pass the guy in front of you  within the 15 seconds alotted.  Hay we were talking.  There was no one behind us, so we were not blocking...



2010-09-05 5:02 PM
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My guess is troll, but anyhow:

You knew the rule and you broke it. There isn't an exception for "we were talking and there was no one behind us."
2010-09-05 5:04 PM
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your write, I broke the rule...

2010-09-05 5:09 PM
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You're lucky he doesn't tack on two more minutes for spelling violations.

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2010-09-05 5:20 PM
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the bear - 2010-09-06 7:09 AM You're lucky he doesn't tack on two more minutes for spelling violations.

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2010-09-05 7:34 PM
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the bear - 2010-09-05 5:09 PM You're lucky he doesn't tack on two more minutes for spelling violations.

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LMAO, Bear.  YOu know how to make a girl smile Wink


2010-09-05 8:10 PM
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Subject: RE: Best race of my life unitill USAT got done with me...

Add that to your training list ...talk faster on the bike.

2010-09-05 8:58 PM
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Welcome Gary. You will find no sympathy for any type of rule breaking here.  
2010-09-05 10:33 PM
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Let me get this straight... You state the rule that you broke (not completing the pass within 15 seconds), and then claim it's okay because you weren't breaking ANOTHER rule (blocking)?

Tell me you're not serious...
2010-09-06 12:00 AM
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I love this thread! the bear, and trishie, and Dave, and Karibu, and all sorts of my favorite people.

And a guy who can win his AG chatting on the bike.

I aspire.
2010-09-06 1:39 AM
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AndrewMT - 2010-09-05 5:20 PM

the bear - 2010-09-06 7:09 AM You're lucky he doesn't tack on two more minutes for spelling violations.

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2010-09-06 8:28 AM
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2010-09-06 8:34 AM
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He's not BSing about the numbers:

http://www.setupevents.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=event_results&id=2049

ETA: Not a troll, but you've got an interesting perspective on the rules.



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PennState - 2010-09-06 7:28 AM

the bear - 2010-09-05 6:09 PM You're lucky he doesn't tack on two more minutes for spelling violations.

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Hooked on phonics?



that only works when you dont cheat and cut out some sounds...
2010-09-06 9:11 AM
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garyconner - 2010-09-05 5:53 PM

OK, I did the City of Lenior Tri on Sat.  I finished 14th overall and 1st in my age group...  When I finished the race the USAT official adv me that I got 2 pen points for position. (loss of 2 min on overall time)  This pushed me to  20th over all and second in my age group.  o well i still qual for nationals.  Has this happend to anyone else?   

Postion is when you don't pass the guy in front of you  within the 15 seconds alotted.  Hay we were talking.  There was no one behind us, so we were not blocking...



Congrats on your finish, but sounds like the official made the proper call.  I'll admit that riders talking 2 abreast is common in local tris. No harm-no foul for BOP (unless a safety issue), but they seem to call stuff closer FOP.  Consider it a learning experience for Nationals.
2010-09-06 11:23 AM
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AndrewMT - 2010-09-05 3:20 PM
the bear - 2010-09-06 7:09 AM You're lucky he doesn't tack on two more minutes for spelling violations.

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Post of the year!

I second that.



2010-09-06 11:39 AM
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PennState - 2010-09-06 8:28 AM
the bear - 2010-09-05 6:09 PM You're lucky he doesn't tack on two more minutes for spelling violations.

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Hooked on phonics fawniks?

Fixed ^^^
2010-09-06 12:15 PM
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Subject: RE: Best race of my life unitill USAT got done with me...
Oldteen - 2010-09-06 9:11 AM
I'll admit that riders talking 2 abreast is common in local tris. No harm-no foul for BOP (unless a safety issue), but they seem to call stuff closer FOP.  Consider it a learning experience for Nationals.


Can't say I agree with this. I think the rules should be applied the same whether front of pack or back of pack. I can't tell you how many times in small local races (especially two loop courses) I have encountered groups of five or six competitors riding together in group just chatting away. This becomes a safety hazard because it is difficult to pass them safely as they are often riding two or three abreast across the road and not paying attention. The time to chat with friends is after the race. Personally, I tend to race sprints all out, so talking to others on the course isn't an option.

I know some people just participate for fun, but it is still a competition with rules, and everyone should know and follow those rules whether they expect to win their age group or finish DFL.

I was in the race the OP refers to, and finished 13th. I personally didn't see any blatant rules violations during the race, but I did notice that the official handed out quite a few penalties for a small race which I thought was unusual. I don't have a problem with that at all ... just an observation.

http://www.setupevents.com/files/LenoirUSAT.pdf

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2010-09-06 12:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Best race of my life unitill USAT got done with me...

If you would not have spent 2.25 seconds in transitions, the penalty would not have cost you the AG 1st

2010-09-06 12:24 PM
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rventuri - 2010-09-06 1:15 PM
Oldteen - 2010-09-06 9:11 AM I'll admit that riders talking 2 abreast is common in local tris. No harm-no foul for BOP (unless a safety issue), but they seem to call stuff closer FOP.  Consider it a learning experience for Nationals.
Can't say I agree with this. I think the rules should be applied the same whether front of pack or back of pack. I can't tell you how many times in small local races (especially two loop courses) I have encountered groups of five or six competitors riding together in group just chatting away. This becomes a safety hazard because it is difficult to pass them safely as they are often riding two or three abreast across the road and not paying attention. The time to chat with friends is after the race. Personally, I tend to race sprints all out, so talking to others on the course isn't an option. I know some people just participate for fun, but it is still a competition with rules, and everyone should know and follow those rules whether they expect to win their age group or finish DFL. I was in the race the OP refers to, and finished 13th. I personally didn't see any blatant rules violations during the race, but I did notice that the official handed out quite a few penalties for a small race which I thought was unusual. I don't have a problem with that at all ... just an observation. http://www.setupevents.com/files/LenoirUSAT.pdf
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I suspect that the people this applies to could care less about a two minute time penalty.  If their goal is finishing... and they know how long it takes them start to finish in "real time"... you could add on 60 penalty minutes, and they would still ride 6 wide... all Im sayin'.
2010-09-06 2:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Best race of my life unitill USAT got done with me...
rventuri - 2010-09-06 1:15 PM
Oldteen - 2010-09-06 9:11 AM I'll admit that riders talking 2 abreast is common in local tris. No harm-no foul for BOP (unless a safety issue), but they seem to call stuff closer FOP.  Consider it a learning experience for Nationals.
Can't say I agree with this. I think the rules should be applied the same whether front of pack or back of pack. I can't tell you how many times in small local races (especially two loop courses) I have encountered groups of five or six competitors riding together in group just chatting away. This becomes a safety hazard because it is difficult to pass them safely as they are often riding two or three abreast across the road and not paying attention. The time to chat with friends is after the race. Personally, I tend to race sprints all out, so talking to others on the course isn't an option. I know some people just participate for fun, but it is still a competition with rules, and everyone should know and follow those rules whether they expect to win their age group or finish DFL. I was in the race the OP refers to, and finished 13th. I personally didn't see any blatant rules violations during the race, but I did notice that the official handed out quite a few penalties for a small race which I thought was unusual. I don't have a problem with that at all ... just an observation. http://www.setupevents.com/files/LenoirUSAT.pdf
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Not sayin' I agree with letting violations slide for BOP, just that it seems that way in my area.  I'm (relatively) much faster on bike than swim, so I get annoyed by slower riders not staying right.  Esp in local events staged as fund raisers for swim clubs where we get lots of FAST swimmers (<90sec/100M) who are BOP cyclists (<15mph).


2010-09-06 3:59 PM
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Can't say I agree with this. I think the rules should be applied the same whether front of pack or back of pack.

I agree with you but I think it's just a matter of resources.  Especially in longer races, it's tough to monitor the entire bike course.  Plus it creates even more hassles if they put too many official vehicles on the course.

Also the drafting rules are enforced more strictly when there's intent.  I've seen people clump together on steep uphill sections and the officials let it slide as long as they stretch back out once they crest over the top.
2010-09-06 6:27 PM
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I understand, and definately don't want more official vehicles in the way.

I will say that the vast majority do respect the rules and treat the event as a athletic competition (which it is IMO), and not like a charity ride, which a USTA event is not.

Don't want to reopen the whole competition vs participation debate ... and I am ok with either approach ... as long as everyone plays by the same rules and respects their fellow competitors or participants.

2010-09-06 6:54 PM
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Dr. Seuss wrote a book entitled "The Tough coughs as he ploughs the dough." Try sounding that out.
2010-09-07 2:32 PM
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Funny, I did not realize that I opend up a can of worms with this particular rules violation and most importantly my spelling. (or lack of it)  First of all I posted this while setting in a traffic jam due to an auto accident, second I'm not complaining about the rule, or the fact that I lost two minutes.  I'm glad the USAT monitors theses races.  I just wanted to no if this has ever happend to anyone else.

I do race hard, and I like to win, and like most of you I have ran into a group of cyclist that are taking up the entire road.  We have to remember there are lots of new triathletes to this sport and they may not be as serious as all of us.  If this happens I hope you make them feel more comfortable than most have made me fill using this forum..


For the BEAR,  I have a Masters degree, (from a college....)  I would be more concerned with my times, then my spelling...  LOL

Im glad everyone got such a kick out of this.... 
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