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 2010-12-28 10:55 AM in reply to: #3264378 |
Champion  7233    |  Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeksTrust me. i'm A) not arguing, and B), would love to run that fast. And he has most of the plan there that most people forget while they fret the details. He is (or was rather), running high mileage, often, with harder running in there, and did so over time. That is what most people seem to miss, as they worry about the exact track workout or which day to do their long runs on. Now, that is not to say with some tweaking he could not have fun faster, but we'll never know there. I think most people get way to caught up in the details there and dont keep in mind that running for hte most part is that simple. You need to run a lot, with the correct amount of faster running in there. |
| 2010-12-28 10:57 AM in reply to: #3263190 |
Champion 5312 Calgary | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks Never done it. At my pace it would take about 3 hours a day of running. Running 3 times a day is going to be mentally exhausting. If you have the time, why not right. Hell, if you have the time, do it every week. |
| 2010-12-28 11:40 AM in reply to: #3264390 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks newbz - 2010-12-28 10:55 AM Trust me. i'm A) not arguing, and B), would love to run that fast. And he has most of the plan there that most people forget while they fret the details. He is (or was rather), running high mileage, often, with harder running in there, and did so over time. That is what most people seem to miss, as they worry about the exact track workout or which day to do their long runs on. Now, that is not to say with some tweaking he could not have fun faster, but we'll never know there. I think most people get way to caught up in the details there and dont keep in mind that running for hte most part is that simple. You need to run a lot, with the correct amount of faster running in there. I didn't sense you were arguing and I think we are on the same page. It looks like things have been refined over the last 30 years but not dramatically changed. I am the first to get caught up in the details and he basically told me HTFU, run long, run hard. He would basically do mostly 15 mile runs but I think it's because he used to run to work and work was 15 miles away. He left the car for his demanding 16 year old :-) His 6:30 to 7 min/mile paces kind of intimidated me, but I checked his paces with the McMillan Calculator and they do correspond to what they claim are Long Run paces. He claimed that the science back then (75-80), said that it was over 15 miles that you would deliver capillaries, which is exactly what I read on McMillan's site about long runs: "In the muscles, there is a corresponding increase in the number of tiny blood vessels (capillaries) to deliver this greater volume of blood per beat" I thought the timing of a 100+ mile thread, my reading McMillan yesterday and my conversation with him this morning was kind of weird. We had never discussed training until today. |
| 2010-12-28 11:41 AM in reply to: #3263190 |
Regular 214 | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks I appreciate the replies. Lots of interesting stories and advise which is exactly what I wanted when making this post. Like I said, I just love running and want to end this year just doing what I love. This is not to say I dont love swimming and cycling, but I am just in the mood/and shape(I believe) to pull this off right now. I understand that as a 25 year old, I might be risking injury and future training/racing with all this running. At the same time I know that if I don't try to accomplish something I feel I can, I will feel even worse than if I were to injure myself. With that being said, I just got done with day 3 and have ran a total of 45 miles. Sunday=5 miles on the threadmill at 8:30 pace with vibrams, 10 miles in the afternoon on the threadmill at 7:45 pace. Monday=5 miles in the morning on the threadmill at 7:30 pace, 10 miles in the afternoon on the threadmill at 8ish pace. Today=12.5 miles on threadmill at 8 minute pace, and plan on doing 2.5 more after work on the threadmill at around 8 minutes. Thinking of doing all 100 miles on the threadmill as I've done 45 so far so why the hell not continue with this. So far so good. Edited by chicagosurfer 2010-12-28 11:44 AM |
| 2010-12-28 11:45 AM in reply to: #3264472 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks marcag - 2010-12-28 10:40 AM newbz - 2010-12-28 10:55 AM Trust me. i'm A) not arguing, and B), would love to run that fast. And he has most of the plan there that most people forget while they fret the details. He is (or was rather), running high mileage, often, with harder running in there, and did so over time. That is what most people seem to miss, as they worry about the exact track workout or which day to do their long runs on. Now, that is not to say with some tweaking he could not have fun faster, but we'll never know there. I think most people get way to caught up in the details there and dont keep in mind that running for hte most part is that simple. You need to run a lot, with the correct amount of faster running in there. I didn't sense you were arguing and I think we are on the same page. It looks like things have been refined over the last 30 years but not dramatically changed. I am the first to get caught up in the details and he basically told me HTFU, run long, run hard. He would basically do mostly 15 mile runs but I think it's because he used to run to work and work was 15 miles away. He left the car for his demanding 16 year old :-) His 6:30 to 7 min/mile paces kind of intimidated me, but I checked his paces with the McMillan Calculator and they do correspond to what they claim are Long Run paces. He claimed that the science back then (75-80), said that it was over 15 miles that you would deliver capillaries, which is exactly what I read on McMillan's site about long runs: "In the muscles, there is a corresponding increase in the number of tiny blood vessels (capillaries) to deliver this greater volume of blood per beat" I thought the timing of a 100+ mile thread, my reading McMillan yesterday and my conversation with him this morning was kind of weird. We had never discussed training until today. Yeah agreed, i think we're on the same page. Just wanted to be clear. And yes, he did have most of it right. There is i think some merit to having some shorter runs, etc, but again he had the bulk of it right. And it makes sense with the running to work thing on the 15 mi run. thanks for sharing. |
| 2010-12-28 11:46 AM in reply to: #3264473 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks chicagosurfer - 2010-12-28 10:41 AM I appreciate the replies. Lots of interesting stories and advise which is exactly what I wanted when making this post. Like I said, I just love running and want to end this year just doing what I love. This is not to say I dont love swimming and cycling, but I am just in the mood/and shape(I believe) to pull this off right now. I understand that as a 25 year old, I might be risking injury and future training/racing with all this running. At the same time I know that if I don't try to accomplish something I feel I can, I will feel even worse than if I were to injure myself. With that being said, I just got done with day 3 and have ran a total of 45 miles. Sunday=5 miles on the threadmill at 8:30 pace with vibrams, 10 miles in the afternoon on the threadmill at 7:45 pace. Monday=5 miles in the morning on the threadmill at 7:30 pace, 10 miles in the afternoon on the threadmill at 8ish pace. Today=12.5 miles on threadmill at 8 minute pace, and plan on doing 2.5 more after work on the threadmill at around 8 minutes. Thinking of doing all 100 miles on the threadmill as I've done 45 so far so why the hell not continue with this. So far so good. good luck with that... I'm your age and have been sitting on 50-60 miles a week for a bit now, and the thought of this makes me cringe. |
| 2010-12-28 12:10 PM in reply to: #3264473 |
Expert 2555 Colorado Springs, Colorado | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks Not quite sure what a threadmill is, but if it's anything like a treadmill then running 100 miles in a week would bore me to death. |
| 2010-12-28 12:11 PM in reply to: #3263190 |
| Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks gymgirlx is one of my FB friends and she posted a 30 mile run on the tready the other day. 8 hours. Torture. |
| 2010-12-28 12:33 PM in reply to: #3264526 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks ChrisM - 2010-12-28 11:11 AM gymgirlx is one of my FB friends and she posted a 30 mile run on the tready the other day. 8 hours. Torture. chris, i talk to her on and off and everytime i hear about something like that I know two things for certain. She is mentally much stronger than i ever will be, And that there is no way i would do that. |
| 2010-12-28 12:39 PM in reply to: #3264119 |
Expert 898 Plano, National Capital Region | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks momo - 2010-12-28 8:53 AM Pretty ambitious... good luck on your endeavor.. no advice but: MAN, the running store is going to love you.. and probably your chiropractor, massage therapist, and likely your orthopedic/podiatrist... agree on the build-up to the high mileage as part of your training but doing it just for the week is probably a bit too much risk. You can try it and if you listen to your body, you'll figure out whether you can handle it after a few days as you'll know whether you are able to recover. personally - that's a lot of time - about 17 hrs at 10min pace ...but if you have it, why not? some people will watch that much TV in a week. Keep us posted. |
| 2010-12-28 12:42 PM in reply to: #3264378 |
Expert 898 Plano, National Capital Region | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks marcag - 2010-12-28 10:50 AM newbz - 2010-12-28 10:27 AM marcag, While your dads approach may not have been completely the best plan, the princeaples are there, run the higher mileage, along with some fast work. There are some coaches out there that to advocate all mileage done in single runs, (so you'll see a lot of 10-15 milers in there), while many others want it split up more. Maybe not 'the best plan', but you can't argue with the results. 3:20 to 2:45 in 5 years at 50 years old isn't all that bad. sure, but did you miss the double knee-replacement part? |
| 2010-12-28 12:43 PM in reply to: #3264045 |
Master 1404 Saratoga Springs, Utah | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks newbie13 - 2010-12-28 7:22 AM thecatch83 - 2010-12-27 9:14 PM IMO this is way too much mileage and as others have stated, an injury waiting to happen. The days of logging high mileage like the 70's-80's is over and there are numerous elite athletes who have seen significant gaines using the less is more approach......and regards to triathlon training where you are training two other disciplines! I would beg to differ, In fact a lot of people would argue that the resurgence of American marathon times as of late ie. Hall,Ritz,Meb,Sell etc. is due to the fact that they are getting back into high mileage instead of the "less is more" take on running. Now as far as training for a triathlon obviously you have to make some sacrafices to fit in the other two disciplines.x2 If you want to compete with the best in the world, you have to train like the best. The East African runners are putting in over 100+ a week and it all is not easy miles. |
| 2010-12-28 12:44 PM in reply to: #3264597 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks m2tx - 2010-12-28 1:42 PM marcag - 2010-12-28 10:50 AM newbz - 2010-12-28 10:27 AM marcag, While your dads approach may not have been completely the best plan, the princeaples are there, run the higher mileage, along with some fast work. There are some coaches out there that to advocate all mileage done in single runs, (so you'll see a lot of 10-15 milers in there), while many others want it split up more. Maybe not 'the best plan', but you can't argue with the results. 3:20 to 2:45 in 5 years at 50 years old isn't all that bad. sure, but did you miss the double knee-replacement part? And how can we know it was all because of the running? |
| 2010-12-28 12:49 PM in reply to: #3264602 |
Expert 898 Plano, National Capital Region | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks Scout7 - 2010-12-28 12:44 PM m2tx - 2010-12-28 1:42 PM And how can we know it was all because of the running?marcag - 2010-12-28 10:50 AM newbz - 2010-12-28 10:27 AM marcag, While your dads approach may not have been completely the best plan, the princeaples are there, run the higher mileage, along with some fast work. There are some coaches out there that to advocate all mileage done in single runs, (so you'll see a lot of 10-15 milers in there), while many others want it split up more. Maybe not 'the best plan', but you can't argue with the results. 3:20 to 2:45 in 5 years at 50 years old isn't all that bad. sure, but did you miss the double knee-replacement part? we never really 'know'....but that's just another fact to throw in the mix. How do we know it wasn't?  |
| 2010-12-28 1:03 PM in reply to: #3264609 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks m2tx - 2010-12-28 12:49 PM Scout7 - 2010-12-28 12:44 PM m2tx - 2010-12-28 1:42 PM And how can we know it was all because of the running?marcag - 2010-12-28 10:50 AM newbz - 2010-12-28 10:27 AM marcag, While your dads approach may not have been completely the best plan, the princeaples are there, run the higher mileage, along with some fast work. There are some coaches out there that to advocate all mileage done in single runs, (so you'll see a lot of 10-15 milers in there), while many others want it split up more. Maybe not 'the best plan', but you can't argue with the results. 3:20 to 2:45 in 5 years at 50 years old isn't all that bad. sure, but did you miss the double knee-replacement part? we never really 'know'....but that's just another fact to throw in the mix. How do we know it wasn't? There is no doubt all that running played a major role in the knee replacement, that's why I put it in there. He will be the first to admit it. But he also mountain climbed until 78 when it became no longer tolerable I also remember him running with paper thin soles back then. Remember, we are talking 30 years ago. I also remember him running and racing injured. Not the smartest thing in hindsight. This is also the reason I choose tri over running, I don't want that happening to me, so decided to dilute the wear and tear. However, looking at what he can do with his bionic knees, it's pretty impressive. |
| 2010-12-28 1:14 PM in reply to: #3264609 |
Expert 2555 Colorado Springs, Colorado | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks m2tx - 2010-12-28 11:49 AM Scout7 - 2010-12-28 12:44 PM m2tx - 2010-12-28 1:42 PM And how can we know it was all because of the running?marcag - 2010-12-28 10:50 AM newbz - 2010-12-28 10:27 AM marcag, While your dads approach may not have been completely the best plan, the princeaples are there, run the higher mileage, along with some fast work. There are some coaches out there that to advocate all mileage done in single runs, (so you'll see a lot of 10-15 milers in there), while many others want it split up more. Maybe not 'the best plan', but you can't argue with the results. 3:20 to 2:45 in 5 years at 50 years old isn't all that bad. sure, but did you miss the double knee-replacement part? we never really 'know'....but that's just another fact to throw in the mix. How do we know it wasn't? Why should a possibly unrelated thing be of any concern to the OP? However, are all people who have double knee replacements former runners who logged 100+ mile weeks? How many non-runners have had such medical treatment? There are potential risks in almost everything. If we limit ourselves to only doing things with no potential risks, would life be worth living at all? |
| 2010-12-28 4:50 PM in reply to: #3263190 |
Master 1770 Bedford, MA | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks I just did my first 50 mile week last week. I couldn't imagine doubling that right now. I'm planning to max out around 70 in marry training. 100 is a big number for a triathlete. |
| 2010-12-29 9:22 AM in reply to: #3264630 |
Member 131 Long Island, NY | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks Don't want to move away from the subject too much, but 30 years ago (1980) we were running in Brooks Vantage, Nike LDVs and NBs (forgot the number, 110s?). The waffle sole and the running boom was in full flight. It was probably until the mid-1970s that the running shoes had very thin mid-soles and minimal support -- whose to say one type of shoe prevents injury better than another. Finally, regarding the comment that elites don't run 100+ anymore, that mentality prevailed in the 1990s, with the U.S. elites and it got us no where. They, nowadays are all running 120+ mpw. I hope that if Chicagosurfer starts to feel some niggles here and there, he stops his quest immediately. No reason to get injured over it. Good Luck! marcag - 2010-12-28 2:03 PM m2tx - 2010-12-28 12:49 PM Scout7 - 2010-12-28 12:44 PM m2tx - 2010-12-28 1:42 PM And how can we know it was all because of the running?marcag - 2010-12-28 10:50 AM newbz - 2010-12-28 10:27 AM marcag, While your dads approach may not have been completely the best plan, the princeaples are there, run the higher mileage, along with some fast work. There are some coaches out there that to advocate all mileage done in single runs, (so you'll see a lot of 10-15 milers in there), while many others want it split up more. Maybe not 'the best plan', but you can't argue with the results. 3:20 to 2:45 in 5 years at 50 years old isn't all that bad. sure, but did you miss the double knee-replacement part? we never really 'know'....but that's just another fact to throw in the mix. How do we know it wasn't? There is no doubt all that running played a major role in the knee replacement, that's why I put it in there. He will be the first to admit it. But he also mountain climbed until 78 when it became no longer tolerable I also remember him running with paper thin soles back then. Remember, we are talking 30 years ago. I also remember him running and racing injured. Not the smartest thing in hindsight. This is also the reason I choose tri over running, I don't want that happening to me, so decided to dilute the wear and tear. However, looking at what he can do with his bionic knees, it's pretty impressive. |
| 2010-12-29 11:11 AM in reply to: #3263190 |
Master 1686 Royersford, PA | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks Dude if you can rock 100 mile on a treadmill in a week you have my deepest admiration. The most I ever did in a week was 50 and I ran an IM Marathon for most of that total. A good number of folks on BT do 2-3 workouts a day as part of triathlon training and 15-20 hour weeks. Once you do something once you open the door to doing it again and again. Setting a goal and reaching it is a great thing. If the OP is young and not doing it to brag, one week is not going to kill him and certainly could be a stepping stone going forward. Get some Chicagosurfer!!! |
| 2010-12-29 12:19 PM in reply to: #3263190 |
Regular 214 | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks Once again thanks for the responses all. The reason I posted this discussion here and not on another running website is because I figured I would get more thoughtful responses and advice. I figured this to be the case as it seems there are a lot of trainers on here and people who really watch their nutrition who want to get the most out of their bodies. Not to mention the fact that I think triathletes are some of the most hardworking, dedicated, and athletic people on this planet. I looked at other forums like Letsrun, but that place is filled with garbage posters which would make dissecting information that much harder for me. Its pretty interesting on what you learn when you push your body to try and accomplish the things you want. For example, I never knew the history of American distance running and how these athletes have varied their training over the years and how training was so heavily influenced by total mileage in the 70s and 80s. Pretty interesting stuff! I hope people didn't take this thread as some dude who is trying to get attention and risking injury while being completely ignorant. I also know that what I am trying to do is nothing compaired to some of the accomplishments I read here on a daily basis. That being said, 50 down and 50 more to go. Feel good so far. I sometimes feel like something is wrong if I'm not running since it seems like the majority of the day is spent on the treadmill, sweating, focusing on my form and breathing, and staring at a blank wall while I count the miles until 100. I must admit it gets pretty surreal after a while running that long on a treadmill while not listening to music or watching tv. Once again thanks for all the comments and wishing me the best. -Kevin |
| 2010-12-29 1:05 PM in reply to: #3263190 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks An interesting man that use to be a running buddy of my father's is Ed Whitlock. He did a 2:54 at the age of 73. His training was simple 2-3hrs going in a large circle 6x per week, up to 23 miles per day.. Here is a comment from him |
| 2010-12-29 2:23 PM in reply to: #3266469 |
Champion 5312 Calgary | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks marcag - 2010-12-29 12:05 PM An interesting man that use to be a running buddy of my father's is Ed Whitlock. He did a 2:54 at the age of 73. His training was simple 2-3hrs going in a large circle 6x per week, up to 23 miles per day.. Here is a comment from him Read an article about him in running times recently, cool sounding guy. He does his three hour long runs in a cemetery. Edited by BigDH 2010-12-29 2:23 PM |
| 2010-12-29 3:41 PM in reply to: #3265955 |
| Fishers, IN | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks To be honest, I believe it is standard to be at greater than 140mpw for marathoners. The Japanese have legions of runners down under the 2:20 mark and mostly due to very high mileage (not 140mpw). I doubt you will find an elite marathoner down under 120 at their peak training. Even Bob Kennedy was running over 110 mpw for his 5K preparation. Of course if you have spent as many years as those guys running, you gradually build up to higher and higher levels. |
| 2010-12-29 8:48 PM in reply to: #3263190 |
Regular 99 Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks Quenton Cassidy laughs at 100 mile weeks |
| 2010-12-29 10:33 PM in reply to: #3263190 |
Master 8247 Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: Running 100+ mile weeks I can understand the urge--at one point when I was running at my highest level (such as it was) I was averaging about 80-90 mpw. I did do a couple of 100 mile weeks, basically just to say I'd done it. Accomplished this by "cheating"--I did my long runs for the week on Sunday and the following Saturday of the same 7-day period. If you are training for a marathon then this easily provides 40+ miles, and the remaining five days you need only run sixty miles or less. As I recall my 100 mile weeks didn't involve more than one or two doubles--I'm not a morning person and it takes me a long time to warm up, so I really prefer just to go out there and run 8-12 miles at one stretch; even now when I run 30-40 mpw! But probably doubles would work better for many people. If you are serious about this, make sure to do most of your running on a soft surface such as grass or trails. I would not recommend doing it on a treadmill as you would be working the same muscles over and over. Also, if possible, vary flat and hilly terrain. Training on a variety of terrains and surfaces is probably one of the reasons the African runners can tolerate high training volumes. (Plus, they are very light!) Finally, eat a lot! As I recall, my greatest challenge wasn't the running itself but waking up ravenously hungry in the middle of the night, and eating so much I was actually getting tired of chewing! And make sure you give your body several weeks to recover from this high-mileage business. It won't make you faster, esp. for the tri, though it might make you stronger in the "long run" if you are training for marathon/iron events. The high mileage that elites do is only one stage of a long-range, periodized program. |
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