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2011-05-25 8:58 AM


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Me and a few of my friends are new to triathlon and had a disagreement while comparing training notes this morning.  I did a interval sprint swim workout the other day and used my sportcount watch to time each 100 yard sprint.  My best time was 1:12/100y and I kept an average of about 1:15/100y throughout the 7 sprint sets i did.  He claims that there is no way I could be swimming that fast, so i must have made a mistake with the timing.

I have very little reference with what is considered "fast" in swimming, so I was hoping to hear from some experienced swimmers.  I average 1:30-1:145/100y for longer distances, so does my sprint time sound reasonable?  What is your best 100y pace?



2011-05-25 9:04 AM
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Your sprint times sound reasonable especially compared to your average pace times. 

I still can, for a single 100y sprint, do sub 60 seconds.   I won't say how many of those I can put back to back...         Cool

2011-05-25 9:06 AM
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A 100yd sprint in 1:15 isn't all that crazy--even I can get near that on a good day. Of course that's fairly meaningless in a triathlon swim. Most of my race swims have been in the 2:00-2:30 per 100m range, and I'm a back MOP/front BOP swimmer.

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2011-05-25 9:19 AM
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I'm with the others... it seems very reasonable to me, given your stats.  I'm managed to improve to a regular 1:45-1:50 pace for for longer swim sets (400-600 yds) and can reasonably bang out a 1:30-ish 100 yd sprint.

2011-05-25 9:23 AM
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Your paces are very reasonable.

My aerobic pace is about 1:26/100y.  My 100 sprint pace is 1:03ish.
2011-05-25 9:38 AM
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1:20/100 for a sprint with no pushoff...still haven't learned how to do a flipturn.  My average pace for longer distances is 1:50-1:55 per 100 yards.  Just learned to swim this year and hoping to get that down to 1:45.

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MudgeZBT - 2011-05-25 8:58 AM

I have very little reference with what is considered "fast" in swimming, so I was hoping to hear from some experienced swimmers.  I average 1:30-1:145/100y for longer distances, so does my sprint time sound reasonable?  What is your best 100y pace?

In competitive Masters swimming (without knowing your age but assuming between 25-50) a 1:15 sprint is not fast.  Fast is probably starting at around :57/100 SCY and really fast begins at :51-:50, super fast is under :49.  As to sustained pace, faster distance swimmers can easily do repeats of 1:05-1:10 on 1:15 intervals, some much faster than that.

But, take heart, that is a really solid swim time for a triathlete and you should do remarkably well in the swim portion of your next tri.

Tell your pal to time you next time if he is so doubtful.  Best of luck to you.

2011-05-26 1:45 PM
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2011-05-26 1:59 PM
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I would say your times are reasonable.

I generally swim 1:45-1:50 per 100y for longer Olympic OWS.  My fastest pool sprint is 1:18 and can hold around 1:25's for multiple sets. 

2011-05-26 2:09 PM
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MudgeZBT - 2011-05-25 9:58 AM

Me and a few of my friends are new to triathlon and had a disagreement while comparing training notes this morning.  I did a interval sprint swim workout the other day and used my sportcount watch to time each 100 yard sprint.  My best time was 1:12/100y and I kept an average of about 1:15/100y throughout the 7 sprint sets i did.  He claims that there is no way I could be swimming that fast, so i must have made a mistake with the timing.

I have very little reference with what is considered "fast" in swimming, so I was hoping to hear from some experienced swimmers.  I average 1:30-1:145/100y for longer distances, so does my sprint time sound reasonable?  What is your best 100y pace?

Yeah, not too sure about this.  Doing consecutive 1:15 splits is definitely fast.  How "new" are you?  And what do you mean you average 1:30-1:45 for longer distances?  That's a HUGE range.



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tri808 - 2011-05-26 2:59 PM

I would say your times are reasonable.

I generally swim 1:45-1:50 per 100y for longer Olympic OWS.  My fastest pool sprint is 1:18 and can hold around 1:25's for multiple sets. 

Yeah, but let's face it, you're pure animal. 



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I take it you're not new to swimming or I would call bs.  I don't think there unreasonable for someone who has had a swimming background.

As for me, my fastest was 1:33, and I regularly go 2:00.  The only benefit to being that slow is no one is going to call you a liar! (and the fact my window for improvement is bigger).

2011-05-26 2:37 PM
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furiousferret - 2011-05-26 9:13 AM

I take it you're not new to swimming or I would call bs.  I don't think there unreasonable for someone who has had a swimming background.

As for me, my fastest was 1:33, and I regularly go 2:00.  The only benefit to being that slow is no one is going to call you a liar! (and the fact my window for improvement is bigger).

I don't know...some people are just natural at it.  I know more than a couple guys who did not know how to swim and were going sub 1:10 in a few months.  How...I don't know.  They did have swimmer type bodies though.



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furiousferret - 2011-05-26 9:13 AM

I take it you're not new to swimming or I would call bs.  I don't think there unreasonable for someone who has had a swimming background.

As for me, my fastest was 1:33, and I regularly go 2:00.  The only benefit to being that slow is no one is going to call you a liar! (and the fact my window for improvement is bigger).

I don't know...some people are just natural at it.  I know more than a couple guys who did not know how to swim and were going sub 1:10 in a few months.  How...I don't know.  They did have swimmer type bodies though.

 

See: Ed Moses.

 

Moses is unusual among elite swimmers, in that he did not begin swimming year-round until his senior year of high school.[1] Leading into the Olympic Games, Moses broke the American record at the 2000 Olympic Trials. At the 2000 Olympics he won two medals; silver in the 100 meter breaststroke and gold as a member of the world record-setting 4 x 100 medley relay team.

 

2 years and he won a gold medal. Not too shabby.

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MudgeZBT - 2011-05-25 9:58 AM

Me and a few of my friends are new to triathlon and had a disagreement while comparing training notes this morning.  I did a interval sprint swim workout the other day and used my sportcount watch to time each 100 yard sprint.  My best time was 1:12/100y and I kept an average of about 1:15/100y throughout the 7 sprint sets i did.  He claims that there is no way I could be swimming that fast, so i must have made a mistake with the timing.

I have very little reference with what is considered "fast" in swimming, so I was hoping to hear from some experienced swimmers.  I average 1:30-1:145/100y for longer distances, so does my sprint time sound reasonable?  What is your best 100y pace?

Yeah, not too sure about this.  Doing consecutive 1:15 splits is definitely fast.  How "new" are you?  And what do you mean you average 1:30-1:45 for longer distances?  That's a HUGE range.

 

And, no idea how much rest between repeats and/or what interval.  Doing three and averaging 1:15 is much less impressive than doing 12 and averaging 1:15 on a tight interval.

2011-05-26 4:53 PM
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A 1:15/100y pace is definitely reasonable.  Is it fast?  Well, I'd say it's a good time, but for competitive swimmers it's not on the fast end.

I swam in high school, and my first timed 100y swim beginning of freshman year I swam a 1:35.  By the end of that year, my fastest 100y time was roughly 0:56.  The fastest freestyler on our team swam a 0:48 and made it to the state meet.  Being able to swim a

These days?  I'm only in the pool about once a week (plus about 40lbs heavier than I was in high school), so I'm waaaay slower.  I could probably do a 1:15, maybe, but haven't timed it.  My last tri pace was a 1:35/100y, and in the pool I usually swim about a 1:45/100y sustained.  There's definitely a limit on how fast you can swim the 100y, and that's going to be a combination of technique, fitness, and genetics.  Technique and fitness are the only things under your control, both of which benefit from instruction and time in the pool.  If you want to get < 0:55/100y, genetics starts to play a very significant role.



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2011-05-26 5:29 PM
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If you did not specify yards, your friend may be assuming meters...  That wouldn't make a huge difference, but it's about 10% longer.
2011-05-26 5:40 PM
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 Anybody besides me actually look at the OP's logs?  I don't believe the 1:15's claim.  Logs don't support it.

2011-05-26 6:03 PM
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tcovert - 2011-05-26 12:40 PM

 Anybody besides me actually look at the OP's logs?  I don't believe the 1:15's claim.  Logs don't support it.

Depends how you do your workouts, then how you log them.  My 2011 logs will tell you that I'm roughly a 2:50ish per 100y swimmer.  I swam a 1:47 per 100y Oly and a 1:3x per 100y sprint (course was short...unless you want to believe I paced 1:19 per 100y) so far this year.

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JoshR - 2011-05-26 2:19 PM
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furiousferret - 2011-05-26 9:13 AM

I take it you're not new to swimming or I would call bs.  I don't think there unreasonable for someone who has had a swimming background.

As for me, my fastest was 1:33, and I regularly go 2:00.  The only benefit to being that slow is no one is going to call you a liar! (and the fact my window for improvement is bigger).

I don't know...some people are just natural at it.  I know more than a couple guys who did not know how to swim and were going sub 1:10 in a few months.  How...I don't know.  They did have swimmer type bodies though.

 

See: Ed Moses.

 

Moses is unusual among elite swimmers, in that he did not begin swimming year-round until his senior year of high school.[1] Leading into the Olympic Games, Moses broke the American record at the 2000 Olympic Trials. At the 2000 Olympics he won two medals; silver in the 100 meter breaststroke and gold as a member of the world record-setting 4 x 100 medley relay team.

 

2 years and he won a gold medal. Not too shabby.

Thanks, that's pretty amazing!@

I feel about _ <-- this tall now.



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tcovert - 2011-05-26 3:40 PM

 Anybody besides me actually look at the OP's logs?  I don't believe the 1:15's claim.  Logs don't support it.

No way to know.  He might be swimming 1850 straight in 45 minutes, or doing lots of fast sets in a 45 minute workout and simply usingthe "calculate pace" button in the logs (which is why that function is not that relevant unless one is doing long continuous swims)



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Your times sound totally reasonable to me. I swam 49s  my senior year in HS for 100 yards and 1:51 for 200 yards. I was a 3rd place finisher type, so not really that fast. I did very minimal competitive swimming as I was a waterpolo player. There was a kid on my team who only swam one year and went 52s.  Holding 1:15 for "sprints" is not fast at all, and I would say it is appropriate for an intermediate swimmer. But it also depends on your rest interval.

 

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SeasonsChange - 2011-05-26 1:45 PM

from the block: 48s

from a push recently: 54s

 

*gulp*

2011-05-27 8:11 AM
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It has been my experience that people tend to overstate their swim times.  You don't hear many runners or bikers brag about a one mile or five mile average time but you will hear folks all the time puff up about a 100 yard time.  The fact is you might be able to swim a 100 fast but that second 100 might kill you.  I think it is mostly irrelevant what you 100 sprint tme is unless you are racing a 100 yard event at a swim meet.  I know some sub :22 50 guys who can't go under 20:00 in the 1650.  I also know some sub 18:00 1650 swimmers who struggle to do under :26 in the 50.

Average time for your event is the best indication of your speed, not how fast you can blast a 100.

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jmot - 2011-05-27 12:21 AM
SeasonsChange - 2011-05-26 1:45 PM

from the block: 48s

from a push recently: 54s

 

*gulp*

those times are not something to shoot for as they arent really considered "tri swimming"

40% of that is underwater hammering dolphin kicks.  i havent done 48 since highschool senior year.  if i push off normally, with my standard 2 beat kick its closer to 58s

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