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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() O.k. So here's my rant. I just finished my tri season, and I had the best tri of my life. New PR on the Bike and the Run(My weakest event). I worked really hard to improve my swim, and after registering with a 9:00 swim for my 500 yrd swim. (Last year I did 10:34) I was really hoping all my hard work paid off. Unfortunatly, the other swimmers who all said they would do just under 9:00 (so I started in the back of the lane), we ended up 10:41. I had no problem with the pace, and in fact thought maybe we had only done 400 since I felt so fresh coming out of the water. Every lap, I had to wait at the end so that the people in front of me could get a lead, and then by the end of the lap, was right on top of them. No one would let anyone pass, and I would have had to swim around at least 2 people to move up. I finished 6th in my age group, and probably would have been able to get 5th had it not been for these losers in my lane. The top three were about 10 minutes ahead, so it's not like I would have medalled, but 5th would have been nice. Has this ever happened to anyone else??? I think I will move to open water next year, so at least I can swim around morons that get in my way. I'm thrilled that I did so well, but to have my time so impacted out of my control, gets to me. We all put in a lot of hours, and it is sad to end this way. Any advice is welcomed. Thanks, Dan |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I've never done a pool swim for a race, so I'm not 100% sure how they work it out for the swim, but it sure sounds like you have every right to be frustrated. Could you have maybe swam a bit closer to them and maybe tapped their toes a couple of times to let them know you wanted to pass? Could you have been "rude" and forced your way ahead of them? Maybe you can talk to the race director and suggest a different approach to future races? |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I feel your pain!! Luckily our lanes were wide enough (and only going one direction per lap) so that most passing done in the lane could be done on the left. But during my tri today - one guy just wouldn't let me pass - so finally at the wall, which we both arrived to about the same time, I pushed off as hard as I could - as deep as I could and swam under him. Granted, I didn't get far enough in front, and he was sort of on top of my legs when I surfaced - but dangit - he should have gotten out of my freakin way!!! I did stop momentarily and say sorry (although in truth, I really wasn't) I was honest about my swim time - put down the fastest I had ever done that distance without stopping before - but I guess the adrenaline rush pushed me a bit faster - and I came in about 1:30 faster than my predicted time. Carrie ps...which tri were you doing today - Fort Collins or Parker?? |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I've never done a pool swim triathlon but the same sort of thing happens in open water swims. Everyone lines up in front when they have no business being up there. I favor beach starts because you get a better spread as opposed to water starts. But either way, you still get the dorks that line up in front and you just have to swim over them. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If they won't let you pass (did you tap on their feet to let them know you wanted to get in front of them?) you can usually pass at the wall. Especially if you are right on top of the person in front of you. First, you have to know how that person comes into the wall. Do they go to the right, left, middle? Then, as you both come into the wall, start swimming by them as fast as you can, in the area that they don't use. If they go to the right, you go to the left, etc. Bounce off the wall as fast as you can, so you are in front of them and then just catch up to the guy in front of you. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This happened to me once in a tri this year. Since I couldn't pass, I just used the opportunity to draft and then came out of the water feeling fresh. Jen |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() See...I"m "that guy". I love to be out front, the swim is my best event, and I'm not afraid to let anyone know it. (yeah because it means they'll be eating my 8 minute lead in the run). |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'd never done a tri with pool swim. But during OW Tri swims, if I am swimming faster that the person in front of me I just pass them in any possible way, even if this means swimming over he/she. See, if they felt brave enough to line in front even though they aren't fast/strong swimmers then I am assuming they are willing to deal with the consequences. I think it is common knowledge and sense to start according to your swim pace. Next time, just pass them by any means, after all, it is a race right? |
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The Original ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() My first sprint tri was a pool swim. I was registered as novice. Before we started the swim a bunch of us girls in line talked about how we could pass another. I wasn't a great swimmer (still aren't but are getting better) and told them if they needed to pass to tap my leg and I would breast stroke or something so they could get around me. That worked out and I didn't lose too much time. At one point one person just passed me without tapping my leg, which was fine. I don't really care for pool swims though because space is limited- it's a hassle to swim at a decent constant pace. |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The exact same thing happened to me at the Fall Frenzy. I let 2 guys go ahead of me that said they would go sub 8. I passed both of them in the 1st 100 yards and ended up lapping one of them. Some people were claiming sub 9's and back/breastroking after 100 yards. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Kind of off topic, but swim/toe related....just finished my first tri on Sat. with an ocean swim. The people touching/smacking/kicking me didn't even register, I just kept swimming...but in T1 I noticed all sorts of little nicks and scratches (bleeding!) on the TOPS of my feet. It took me awhile to figure out it was from peoples' fingernails and (oooh ick...) toenails! How nasty is that? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Yeah, that's pretty grose... |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I've never successfully finished a pool 400m swim in 6:00 but that's what I put everytime. I useually end up finishing some where around 6:30-6:45 (my record is 6:12 as I recall). But even though I'm at the front of my age group for my start I still end up behind the slowest from the next older age group. The way I see it with those pool races is it doesn't matter what time you put in...your always going to be following behind somebody at some point and have to pass. Some races will be better than others and some just dreadful. My advice (and it aint pretty): Swim all over them even if it means getting banged up a bit (this being after you've tapped toes and they still don't move). Whatever you do, don't waste more than 25m on somebody who won't let you pass...you've got to let them know that yeilding to faster people is part of how things should work. I came to this determination after I lost 30sec in a 400m swim by 3 slow swimmers side by side for 50m. I haven't even followed my own advice yet but I did learn from that experience for the future. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks for the advice. I think next year, I am going to get out of the pool and into open water. I'm feeling pretty good with my swimming and have lost a lot of the fear that kept me from OW. Also, saving for a wetsuit. Yeah.... |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I usually don't give others the benefit of the doubt when it comes to swim times. People underestimate their times constantly and I've run across beginners who submitted their 100m times for a 400m race and then flip out when they realize they're about to thrown in with the sharks. Others never really do a legitimate 100y/m time trial to find out their approximate finish time. I'm convinced there's a strategy to deal with this. Some races have enough lanes in the pool where you only do 1 length and then duck under the ropes. For these, passing is quite easy since there's no oncoming traffic. My first tri was like this and I submitted too slow a swim time and ended up getting about 6 passes in for the 500y course (yes...very big pool). For races that you have and up and back in the same lane, submitting an "optimistic" time for yourself will seed you higher - this goes against the grain though since now you're doing the same thing they are. If they ignore the foot tap, my suggestion is that as you get about 5 yards from the wall, get a quick little sprint so you pull up even to them at the wall....go 3 wide for a short period of time...open turn at the wall and push off as hard and as fast as you can while you go underneath them taking a long angle off the wall. As you come up, go easy on the kicking so they don't get a vicious kick to the face (or dolphin kick to maintain speed) Alternatives - Some of these sounds mean I know, and its always a last resort sort of situation. |