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 2006-01-01 8:18 PM |
Expert  957   |  Subject: Passing someone at the end of a raceSo I ran a 5 mile race yesterday. With maybe like a 1/10 a mile left in the race, if not less, I passed some older guy, probably in his 60s or 70s, Right as he was finishing, and I was walking back from the end of the finish chute back past the finish line back to my car, he yells over to me, in an angry tone, "why did you pass me at the end?" I responded, said something like I was going after a PR (which I may or may not have made depending on the seconds in my finishing time) and then just walked away as I was not interested in getting into an argument with him, especially in front of race officials I will see at future races. I'm sorry, but to me, it was a race, and if I can take advantage of my strong finish kick (I am naturally a better sprinter than distance runner), then I am going to use it, especially if it means I can get a PR or beat people at then end. If I beat some old person or some 8 year old kid in the process, then so be it, as I race until I cross the finish line. The guy was a jerk, so I'm not really concerned about how he felt towards me. I am just wondering, has something like this happened to anyone else? I am guessing he was probably pissed that some girl who is probably at least 40 years younger than him beat him like that, but we both finished in like 55 minutes, so it's not like most of the field was still out on the field. |
| 2006-01-01 8:25 PM in reply to: #314799 |
Expert 1070  North Carolina | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race If some one has stayed in front of me for the whole race then my stace was that I would not pass them right as we are about to go across the finish line, but the last 5k I did in 2005 I did not pass a guy right at the end even though I had ran him down on the last hill leading to the finish line. If I had passed him I would have placed in my age group and got a free pair of shoes. From now on, everyone is game until I cross the finish line!! |
| 2006-01-01 8:39 PM in reply to: #314799 |
Extreme Veteran 707 pnw | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race It is a race. Smoke'm if you've got it. Last tri a woman (probably some girl who was 25 years younger) stayed on my heels for the last 2 miles. In the last 100 yards she blew past me. And I was glad to help her out. No, I didn't ***** about it.. I was thinking nice legs in that tri suit :) But, I never LET anyone pass me. Edited by Nob 2006-01-01 8:40 PM |
| 2006-01-01 8:47 PM in reply to: #314799 |
Regular 86 Durham, NC | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race I would pass them, ESPECIALLY if they had been infront of me the whole race. That should teach them to run faster and drop me, or ELSE! Seriously, it is a race. Who doesn't kick atleast a little at the end. Sounds like that guy had a full breakfast of sour grapes before the race. Edited by schro013 2006-01-01 8:48 PM |
| 2006-01-01 9:08 PM in reply to: #314799 |
Pro 3705 Vestavia Hills | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race One tenth of a mile = 582' ... not exactly passing someone in the chute. This is a race - a race against yourself and other participants. If you do not want to be passed, then train harder/smarter/better so that you can be faster. Taht being said, I ran down a friend at a Labor Day tri some 500' from the finish line. I was three steps behind him when I yelled to him to sprint the end ... and we plain raced to the finish. He beat me by less than 2 seconds. Could I have blown past him and gained an edge? Yes - but thought it was more fair to give fair warning. Now, passing someone within the last 100' ... that is a bit gray. The last 50' ... not so good. All bets are off if running for a PR. Everyone has their own continuum - chute, though, = DQ |
| 2006-01-01 9:33 PM in reply to: #314799 |
Master 2033 | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race Just my opinion, but to me it dosent matter if its 1000 ft from the line or 1 ft from the line, if you can pass you should... Thats why we are racing. We race to win and to me it dosent matter if I win by a inch or 50 feet. I WANT to win, and I will sprint to the line for 99th just as hard as I would for first... |
| 2006-01-01 10:08 PM in reply to: #314799 |
| Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race I live for the sprint at the finish. I'm not fast enough to be competative in my age group, but I get a thrill out of stalking people at the end of the race and shaking those who stalk me. If your a cute young lady or a snarley old man and I have a chance to catch up and pass you in the last mile, last 1/10 of a mile or the last inch, I'm gonna do it if I can. Some of the races I remember most are races that I and somone else have gone back and forth in a test of our will and strength to see who overcomes the others tactics. My thoughts on if you think it's improper for somone to pass you in the last few feet of a race, you better step it up a notch when you hear me coming... It's better to be the passer than the passed!!! |
| 2006-01-01 10:09 PM in reply to: #314799 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race Sounds like all of you may be capable of placign in your AG and therefore your overall position matters...for me it's just a matter of finishign the race! I am usually too engrossed in my own suffering to even notice who is or isn't around me! If I cross the finish line I am happy. Sounds like this guy was basing his success in the race on someone else's finishing time, never a good formula for enjoying your accomplishments. If I were the passer or the passee, I don't think I"d even think twice about it! |
| 2006-01-01 10:17 PM in reply to: #314830 |
Expert 1279 Northern VA | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race piggpen35 - 2006-01-01 10:33 PM Just my opinion, but to me it dosent matter if its 1000 ft from the line or 1 ft from the line, if you can pass you should... Thats why we are racing. We race to win and to me it dosent matter if I win by a inch or 50 feet. I WANT to win, and I will sprint to the line for 99th just as hard as I would for first... What you said doesn't make sense to me: You race to win, you want to win, but you're going for 99th place????? Sorry, but don't lump me in with "we race to win". I do NOT race to win, unfortunately thats not a talent God gave me (of course some have asked if he gave me ANY talents, but I digress If I happen to pass someone at the end in my attempt to do my best, then fine. But "beating" ONE person at the finish to move from 743rd to 742nd place does NOT make me a winner. I think a person in a race has a right to pass anyone, anytime as long as its done safely - sometimes at the finish its not always done safely. But the old geezer was a jerk. |
| 2006-01-01 10:18 PM in reply to: #314799 |
Master 1686 Royersford, PA | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race If your racing your racing. The idea is to get from point A to point B in the best time possible. If the dude wants to get bent out of shape cause you passed him at the end of the race then I hope he gets pissed at everyone who passes him at every other point on the course. The only time a big kicker annoys me is when it comes at the end of a very long race IE a Marathon or HIM. Especially in my part of the pack, if you have that much juice left in the tank at the end, you definitely didn't reach your potential for the race. That said I certainly think I would kep that opinion to myself rather than coming across as a bitter old man trying to belittle someone else's performance. |
| 2006-01-01 10:28 PM in reply to: #314799 |
| Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race u kidding me? The world does not revolve around him, as you said, you were running your race. If it were a swim race and you had drafted off hinm the entire time only to pass at the end (which is perfectly legal in some races),m he might have cause to be angry. But a run? |
| 2006-01-01 10:43 PM in reply to: #314799 |
Pro 3870 Virginia Beach, VA | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race I'll pass anyone and everyone right up to the timing mat. It's a race and even if I'm not going to place I still want to give it everything I have to the very end. I sure don't expect someone else to give up time from their race just because I was in front of them as we came to the finish line...if you have the wheels out kick me then more power to you...but I doubt it'll happen  Edited by TH3_FRB 2006-01-01 10:48 PM |
| 2006-01-01 10:53 PM in reply to: #314799 |
| Master 1384 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race You entered that race for your PR not to beat him. You didn't even know you existed until you saw him. BUT!, if you had entered the race to beat him specifically then you should probably have announced it to him by getting in his face, looking him right in the eye and telling him "YOU FEELIN' LUCK TODAY PUNK?" In the end, as long as you don't turn it into a contact sport, you go and set your hair on fire from the speed and if they're in your way, tell em to lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way. My only experience like this so far: As I was finishing my first traithlon last year, I was coming up on an older guy and he picked up his pace as he heard me closing in. I could have passed him very easily but I opted to have fun by running along side and saying something like "OH you'll never beat me". We both broke out to an all out sprint and finished in a tie (I let him tie me). But that was all for fun. After our timing chips were removed we shook hands and complimented each other. |
| 2006-01-01 10:58 PM in reply to: #314799 |
Expert 831 Raleigh, NC | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race If you can sprint to the end then do it...that's still racing against yourself. I usually go much faster the last 100 or so yards. It's a race! My last tri in September, one of the volunteers actually threw his arms and told me to slow down about twenty feet before the mat...really made me angry. |
| 2006-01-01 11:33 PM in reply to: #314799 |
Master 2033 | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race "You race to win, you want to win, but you're going for 99th place?????" What I was trying to say is regardless of my position in the pack I am going to run my heart out to the finish... Not that I want to be in 99th place. However in many races 99th place might not be bad... I would KILL to be in the top 99 of a IM race with 3000 people... its all relative to the competition. |
| 2006-01-01 11:43 PM in reply to: #314799 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race I am usally the one who gets passed! So... I don't ever have anyone mad at me for passing them. HA! And... I am completely fine with that. I know my place in the world of athletes... and I know that it's a race... sometimes... people save what they have left to kick it in the at the end to cross the finish line fast and hard. It's sad that he was being so grumpy about being passed... it sounds like he focused more on that... instead of focusing on the fact that many people his age have 1 foot in the grave and can't what he just accomplished! He obviously didn't let himself enjoy his reward... of finishing... and having fun enjoying the process of getting to race day. You were right to walk away. Hopefully, he can let it go... and understand that is what happens in a race. |
| 2006-01-02 12:20 AM in reply to: #314799 |
Extreme Veteran 707 pnw | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race Reminds me of a race where 4 locals drafted me for the first 7 miles and then pulled for each other for the following 7. I gave them **** verbally at the turnaround as they all passed me. I could have drafted them in to T2 but last time I checked tris were an individual sport. I like it that way. Ya, they commented on how well I had pulled them the first half and how they just "couldn't" get by. Pretty much fired me up for the rest of the race. Not in a good way either. Turned out they were in a different AG than mine but they were also the 4 times ahead of me in over all results. I do this for myself and I forgot it for a few miles. I won't again. Racing is too much fun to let anyone else wreck your day. |
| 2006-01-02 1:32 AM in reply to: #314799 |
Expert 928 Kaneohe, Hawaii | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race yeah... pass until the end. Its a race.. not a training run. Edited by Shaved_Wookie 2006-01-02 1:33 AM |
| 2006-01-02 8:11 AM in reply to: #314799 |
Master 1946 Bronze member | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race A training run is a training run. Afun run is a fun run. A "we're in this together" run is dual fun run. A Race is a RACE. answer to guy : Why did you LET me ??? |
| 2006-01-02 8:19 AM in reply to: #314799 |
Champion 6931 Bellingham, Washington | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race I hate it when they pass you back as you get into the chute. I've had the volunteers at the finishers chute see this and help get back in front of the joker. |
| 2006-01-02 8:35 AM in reply to: #314799 |
Master 1292 McKinney, TX | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race Last 5K I did I passed a high school kid in the last 1/4 mile. Felt good to beat a kid 1/2 my age, but I was going for time, not specifically trying to beat him. After the race I complimented him on a good run, and he was cool about it. The dude you passed should stay on the treadmill if he doesn't want to get passed. |
| 2006-01-02 8:36 AM in reply to: #314799 |
Veteran 290 Arlington Heights, IL | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race I was passed in the chute once, and it sort of irritated me, but I forgot about it as soon as I was handed my bottle of water and didn't think of it again until I read this thread. It isn't cool, IMHO, but then again, if it made a PR or some goal for the guy who passed me, then no biggie. Bottom line - everyone participates in these races for their own reason(s). My reasons may not coincide with your reasons, and vice versa, which may result in an act of competitiveness on one party's part that is misinterprested as an act of rudeness on the other party's part. The only think you can do is concentrate on *YOUR* race. I think you handled the old man perfectly. I would have turned around and gotten into it with him, because grumpy old men really push my buttons and I seem to attract them. (*thinking of the time I was refrained by the British VIs port authority for getting into an altercation with an old man who mouthed off to me then grabbed my butt*)... Be proud - even if you didn't hit your PR, you're going into the New Year knowing that you gave it everything you had. |
| 2006-01-02 8:38 AM in reply to: #314937 |
Elite 2421 | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race BellinghamSpence - 2006-01-02 7:19 AM I hate it when they pass you back as you get into the chute. I've had the volunteers at the finishers chute see this and help get back in front of the joker. That's exactly what I was thinking... the only time it's not okay to pass is when you're in the chute after the finish. Other than that, if you are not presenting a hazard to yourself or anyone else then it's every (wo)man for his or herself. You're not out there to make other people feel good. bts |
| 2006-01-02 8:48 AM in reply to: #314799 |
Supersonicus Idioticus 2439 Thunder Bay, ON | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race NEVER race not trying to optimize your speed NEVER race 99.9% of the race hard, and 0.1% easy NEVER pay $60 to run slow NEVER train hard to post a slower time than you're capable of NEVER care what the opposition thinks - those are mindgames |
| 2006-01-02 10:26 AM in reply to: #314799 |
Elite 2468 Racine, WI | Subject: RE: Passing someone at the end of a race I've been passed in the chute and who cares? A race is a race. If you've kept up with me through a race (not hard to do!) and still have energy to kick it out at the end more power to you. I've passed other people in the chute and I don't care if it bothers them.....I'M certainly not going to slow down. Edited by CindyK 2006-01-02 10:27 AM |
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