Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do?
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2012-07-20 7:14 AM |
Elite 3140 | Subject: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? Even though I have done several Olys and HIMs, I am doing my first sprint tri {500m/10.5/3.1}(not counting sprint duathlons) on Aug 5th a week after an oly. My question/curiosity is how hard do you push the bike, especially for those who have at least a season or two experience? Even though in my oly and HIMs I hold back some for the obvious run related reasons , for this race I am planning to push a higher gear on the bike to maximize the most speed as long as I am at 70+ cadence. I realize the risk of the run but I feel after years of running and a few years of tri training, that I should handle the 3.1 miles rather easily and feel I could "hold on" close to my normal 5 k race pace +/-. I want to "press the envelope" because after seeing last years times I am probably only a few minutes from contending for a podium/ag (i realize this year could be different due to different competition}. Usually due to the swim I am too far back to seriously contend in olys and HIMS So what is your sprint strategy? do you just push as hard as reasonably possible? Would you advise against this? Just feel since this is a "C" race I should just go for it (sorry old cliche) thanks |
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2012-07-20 7:16 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? Go as hard as you can on the bike except for the last 2-5 minutes. Be sure to ease of at least twice to get in a little liquid nutrition. |
2012-07-20 7:22 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? I'd go for it. It's a C race and you are willing to blow up so go hard. Don't go balls out for the first few miles to the point where you can't hold that pace for the whole ride. Ride at an effort level that is hard but you know you can sustain for the entire ride (but not much more). Then see how your running legs react. I did that for a sprint a few weeks ago and ran about 1 min off my best open 5k time. |
2012-07-20 7:25 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Elite 5145 Cleveland | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? No Guts, No Glory. Light the candle at both ends and go for it. At worst, you learn something about yourself and Sprints.... go out and tear it up. |
2012-07-20 7:37 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? I'll add one more thing. You mention the swim being your limiter, I'd suggest pushing the limit there too. Right off the start, try to find someone who is swimming faster than you normally would and fight hard to stay right on their feet. If you are lucky and they ease off just a bit after the first couple of minutes you can stay with them the whole way. Even if you can only hang on for half of the swim, it could save you a fair bit of time. |
2012-07-20 7:40 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? Start hard. TT the swim... it's not long enough to "hurt" you later on. On the bike I'd be looking to cook myself... again, a TT pace without the final *kick* at the last mile. The first few minutes of the run will probably feel like the castle is crumbling, but if you make it past that you should smooth out into your normal race pace and finish strong. |
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2012-07-20 7:43 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Master 2725 Washington, DC Metro | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? Sprints, just like a 5K, pretty much hurt like he11 the whole way. As you said, with a few years of solid base/experience and Oly and HIM's under your belt. You should be able to hold on 50 minutes or so. |
2012-07-20 8:00 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? FELTGood - 2012-07-20 7:14 AM Even though I have done several Olys and HIMs, I am doing my first sprint tri {500m/10.5/3.1}(not counting sprint duathlons) on Aug 5th a week after an oly. My question/curiosity is how hard do you push the bike, especially for those who have at least a season or two experience? Have you done a similar size duathlon? (5k or less for run 1) About the same as that if you went after it there. For me this should be at 95% threshold or better, depending on how good I'm feeling that day. |
2012-07-20 8:01 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? I go as hard as I can out of T1 and then only let up the 1/2 mile to spin out the lactic acid built up in the legs. This is the reason why I love sprint tri's, just go hard at all time and hope that you just enough left to finish the run without blowing up completely. The last mile on the run is supposed to be painful and you're supposed to finish it by will-power. Almost the most important aspect of the bike is experience... this is kind of like a freestanding TT, but with a run at the end... You need to know how hard you can go and maintain that effort the entire distance... it's very easy to start out too hard and then fade and also be too conservative and have too much energy left at the finish line. Make sure you concentrate to take in fluid on the bike (the run is usually so short that you can complete it without drinking and also hard enough that it's difficult to drink) and the last 1/2 mile on the bike is a good time to take on a gel (if you need it). |
2012-07-20 8:27 AM in reply to: #4321511 |
Elite 3140 | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? brigby1 - 2012-07-20 9:00 AM FELTGood - 2012-07-20 7:14 AM Even though I have done several Olys and HIMs, I am doing my first sprint tri {500m/10.5/3.1}(not counting sprint duathlons) on Aug 5th a week after an oly. My question/curiosity is how hard do you push the bike, especially for those who have at least a season or two experience? Have you done a similar size duathlon? (5k or less for run 1) About the same as that if you went after it there. For me this should be at 95% threshold or better, depending on how good I'm feeling that day. yes I have , but it was early on in my tri training (3 years ago) so I like to think I have a little more experience and more fitness now to compare . Back then I think I was not too serious about it also. Thanks for the input.....I guess I will just hammer away except for the last .5 miles or so and HTFU on the run and try to get a good time. My wife is funny because she says "Why are you doing this race? this should be a piece of cake"....not realizing that though a sprint, many people "redline" the effort compared to the bigger distances...thanks I will report back, especially if the stars align properly and I get a podium. Thanks |
2012-07-20 8:32 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Expert 962 | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? I ran one this past Sunday (my first ever) and ended up really wishing I would have pushed harder on the bike. I came into T2 feeling like I'd lefts some time out there on the course. Especially with your experience and it only being 10.5 miles I way get after it and run on the ragged edge. |
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2012-07-20 8:48 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Extreme Veteran 890 Sterling | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? Buddy. Tear that race a new --s!!! Just go for it starting with that swim and kill the bike! Do a few calf stretches the last 1.5 miles of the bike and pass more people on the run. Let us know how you do. |
2012-07-20 8:48 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Extreme Veteran 645 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? This is what I'm trying tomorrow; after all, it's a sprint. Pretty much a C race, and I just want to see what I can do over a short course.
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2012-07-20 8:59 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Regular 234 Madison | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? All out. Especially in a 10.5mi course. That's when you probably start feeling loose in a HIM. Get out of the water, get your head right and breathing under control. Go balls out until the last little bit (you decide). Some people are saying 1-2miles. For me it's more like the last 400m. Slow down, increase cadence speed to loosen up legs, spot transition and execute. |
2012-07-20 9:05 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? Basically I approach a sprint trying to hit paces that are what I would be be to do open for the next open distance of race. Since most of the sprints I have done have a 750m swim, I go out hard for 2-300m and then settle into my 1500m pace; a little easier than what I could do for 750 but not much. Then, transition to the bike I try to ride at ftp (my best sprint was when I hit 98% of FTP) so basically I try to do 20km at my 40kmTT effort. Then, off the bike and run as hard as I'm doing a 5k but due to fatigue, I'll usually end up running at my open 10k pace. These efforts are hard but they are far from all out; if one truly goes all out anywhere but the final 400m on the run, then you are going to blow up and finish much more slowly than you are able. Even a sprint triathlon is very much an endurance race and therefore proper pacing is critical. Having said that, since this race isn't that important, go harder than you have in the past and just a little harder than you think you should and see what happens. You might blow up on the run but you'll learn about what you can do in a race of this distance. Shane |
2012-07-20 9:07 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Extreme Veteran 608 Iceland | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? For me anything under 12 miles bike is ALL-OUT and as my coach says: "If you are not in pain - you are not going hard enough"!!
Oh and this is also for the swim and run if its is a sprint. Basically the whole race is ALL-OUT! Edited by Joblin 2012-07-20 9:08 AM |
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2012-07-20 9:10 AM in reply to: #4321664 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? gsmacleod - 2012-07-20 10:05 AM Basically I approach a sprint trying to hit paces that are what I would be be to do open for the next open distance of race. Since most of the sprints I have done have a 750m swim, I go out hard for 2-300m and then settle into my 1500m pace; a little easier than what I could do for 750 but not much. Then, transition to the bike I try to ride at ftp (my best sprint was when I hit 98% of FTP) so basically I try to do 20km at my 40kmTT effort. Then, off the bike and run as hard as I'm doing a 5k but due to fatigue, I'll usually end up running at my open 10k pace. These efforts are hard but they are far from all out; if one truly goes all out anywhere but the final 400m on the run, then you are going to blow up and finish much more slowly than you are able. Even a sprint triathlon is very much an endurance race and therefore proper pacing is critical. Having said that, since this race isn't that important, go harder than you have in the past and just a little harder than you think you should and see what happens. You might blow up on the run but you'll learn about what you can do in a race of this distance. Shane This is good advice. I don't like the idea of 'spinning' over the last 1/2mi (or whatever) of the bike. Or, I should say, I like it when the competition does that. If you need to do that, you rode too hard. If you don't need to do that, you just lost a few more seconds. The only time to spin or coast is for safety reasons as you approach transition. |
2012-07-20 9:34 AM in reply to: #4321664 |
Elite 3140 | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? gsmacleod - 2012-07-20 10:05 AM Basically I approach a sprint trying to hit paces that are what I would be be to do open for the next open distance of race. Since most of the sprints I have done have a 750m swim, I go out hard for 2-300m and then settle into my 1500m pace; a little easier than what I could do for 750 but not much. Then, transition to the bike I try to ride at ftp (my best sprint was when I hit 98% of FTP) so basically I try to do 20km at my 40kmTT effort. Then, off the bike and run as hard as I'm doing a 5k but due to fatigue, I'll usually end up running at my open 10k pace. These efforts are hard but they are far from all out; if one truly goes all out anywhere but the final 400m on the run, then you are going to blow up and finish much more slowly than you are able. Even a sprint triathlon is very much an endurance race and therefore proper pacing is critical. Having said that, since this race isn't that important, go harder than you have in the past and just a little harder than you think you should and see what happens. You might blow up on the run but you'll learn about what you can do in a race of this distance. Shane Shane: can you do it for me and use my name? our secret....Thanks for info, always making sense |
2012-07-20 11:00 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Expert 977 | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? Since I've never had a sprint as my A race I usually go pretty much all out because if I die on the run it doesn't matter (hasn't happened yet). But it is like a 5k and I generally do not like 5k's. They HURT! I much prefer a longer race but sprints are fun but painful. Go for it! Duane |
2012-07-20 11:08 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
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2012-07-20 11:12 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Veteran 329 the Sipp | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? Hammer it dude!!! The Felt Mafia is relying on you! |
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2012-07-20 11:13 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Extreme Veteran 863 West Michigan | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? I have a sprint tomorrow and still thinking about my strategy. Biking is my strength, running is my weakness. Beyond weakness. My running is a big pile of pooo. My focus tomorrow is swimming and biking. I'm going to go all out on the swim and my goal run pace is 8:30. Run is 4.5 miles, so slightly longer than typical sprint. Just not sure what to do on the bike. Historically I averaged 22-23 mph, but thinking about dialing back to 20mph so I have a better run. I'm not really good at bike pacing so having a target average may be good practice. This race is just part of my training for HIM in August. |
2012-07-20 11:13 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Elite 3498 Laguna Beach | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? In a sprint race I am absolutely pegged. Flat out. My friend Dave Koesel once described the experience as "feathering the throttle against redline". |
2012-07-20 11:19 AM in reply to: #4321463 |
Veteran 362 CT | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? pga_mike - 2012-07-20 8:16 AM Go as hard as you can on the bike except for the last 2-5 minutes. Be sure to ease of at least twice to get in a little liquid nutrition.
this is exactly what i do |
2012-07-20 11:39 AM in reply to: #4321461 |
Member 109 | Subject: RE: Sprint Tri Bike leg strategy: What do you do? Basically a sprint is a huge sufferfest. I've only done 2 but I know how to suffer and do so accordingly. On the bike it is between 30-40 minutes depending on length, so this is an above threshold effort usually. You will feel the burn in the legs if your'e doing it right. Basically, you should be going at an effort that you barely think you can hold for "just 5 more minutes" despite you having to hold it for 30 or more minutes... mentally this is what you need to be thinking.. just 5 more minutes I can do it. It is possible to overcook the bike (I think I did slightly), but as long as you don't sprint out the last bit (like in a standalone TT) you should have enough in the tank to hit the 5k. The first mile of the 5k is going to feel like your legs are made of jelly.. I usually have to ward of cramps, but once I get the legs turning over properly you should be able to run within a couple minutes of your open 5k time. It's going to hurt so be mentally prepared to SUFFER! |
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