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 2009-01-28 10:47 PM |
Extreme Veteran  326   Zephyrhills, FL |  Subject: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drillsso i find it much easier to kick while on my back as opposed to kicking while on my stomach. im wondering if i can do all my kicking drills on my back as opposed to face down or on my side. i've tried kicking face down both with a kickboard and without, and neither one is enjoyable. when i kick on my back, my hip flexors are fried when im done, but i actually enjoy it. so....whats the deal guys, is kicking on my back an acceptable substitute? |
| 2009-01-28 11:19 PM in reply to: #1934910 |
Veteran 266 Jackson, MS | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills It's easier for a reason.... not sure exactly why, but i've always heard that kick drills on the back is not helping at all. It may have to do with it doesn't cause you to balance in the water etc. Try the switch kick drill. I basically do most of my kick drills with variations on that one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqN3D7YCbZg Edited by aplohris 2009-01-28 11:22 PM |
| 2009-01-29 6:29 AM in reply to: #1934910 |
| Tyler, | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills my friend who is a pro got me to do this to help me out. Now I know the official name of it. Thanks!!!! |
| 2009-01-29 8:34 AM in reply to: #1934910 |
Not a Coach 11473  Media, PA | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills I know coaches who encourage kicking on your back to work on your kick. But doing some kicking on your side may be more useful for working on your body position. |
| 2009-01-29 8:38 AM in reply to: #1934910 |
Champion 5117 Brandon, MS | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills Some things designed to make you better aren't always enjoyable. Get yourself some zoomers and kick on your stomach, side, and back. Kick drills are technique and strength builders. You don't want to short yourself by falling back on what is easiest. |
| 2009-01-29 2:00 PM in reply to: #1934910 |
Expert 1296 | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills As some stated above. Kicking on your side is good for body position and a very good feel for body roll and what that's all about. With that being said I do about 60-70% of my kicking sets on my back in a tight streamline position. Mostly with fins or zoomers. I'll do some with a kick board on my stomach and some with out a board on my stomach if I want to work on a hypoxic type set. No problems at all with kicking on your back. However I would add one thing here. Kick in streamline the whole time as it will force you to stretch out and engage in some body stabilazation. http://coachpete.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/scan0001.png Take a look at the pic attached but you would be on the surface of the water on your back in this position... Good luck. |
| 2009-01-29 2:14 PM in reply to: #1934910 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills Whatever works for you will probably help, just don't use a damn kick board .......  |
| 2009-01-29 2:30 PM in reply to: #1934910 |
| Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills When we have kick sets (I HATE them) I mix them all up anyway, usually IM order, so I'll do some fly kick, breast kick, back and free kick. Kick sets aren't meant to be enjoyed. That's your first problem |
| 2009-01-29 2:59 PM in reply to: #1934910 |
Extreme Veteran 326 Zephyrhills, FL | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills maybe enjoyed isnt the correct term. i just dont hate it as much as i do when im face down. i do kick on my sides as well, and dont worry rick, i never use a kickboard. my timing gets all thrown off when im kicking face down and i have to rotate for a breath. when im on my back, i can get one whenever i want. when you guys are kicking face down with your arms extended, do you take a stroke to get your breath, or just rotate enough to get some air keeping your arms extended? Edited by JonCT 2009-01-29 3:00 PM |
| 2009-01-29 3:05 PM in reply to: #1936196 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills I use a kick board when I'm face down. I don't buy the kickboard's are evil mantra--just don't use them all the time for your kicking. I kick on my back and sides too. |
| 2009-01-29 3:12 PM in reply to: #1934910 |
Expert 1296 | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills I agree. I use a kick board as well. Who the hell comes up with this stuff that kick boards are no good? Honestly. |
| 2009-01-29 3:36 PM in reply to: #1936212 |
| Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills JohnnyKay - 2009-01-29 1:05 PM I use a kick board when I'm face down. I don't buy the kickboard's are evil mantra--just don't use them all the time for your kicking. I kick on my back and sides too. x2 |
| 2009-01-29 4:11 PM in reply to: #1936227 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills They don't allow you to maintain any sort of form and are unnatural for your stroke. If you are looking to gain leg strength by doing kick sets with a kickboard .... go the gym! I love the article by TriSwimCoach that was up last month ....... "Kick sets are great if you kick on your side, no board. Kicking with a board is just for "kicks"- social hour or to break the monotony, but does nothing for your swim." |
| 2009-01-29 4:29 PM in reply to: #1934910 |
Champion 9600  Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills I kick on my back and work on body position as well, Mike, and use a kickboard other times. My kickboard is pretty minimal and provides almost no flotation and I hold it way out in front of me, arms fully extended, face down in the water. I agree, I grew up a sim team kid and kickboard are fine, Rick doesn't know what he's talking about, he thought this was a bike thread...  |
| 2009-01-29 6:00 PM in reply to: #1936411 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills Sometimes the freshest eyes to a sport are the ones that see the clearest ........ swim coaches thought hypoxic sets were beneficial for years (and many naively still do). |
| 2009-01-29 6:03 PM in reply to: #1934910 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills I beg to differ about kickboards being evil. In fact, if you hold the top of the board with straight arms and kick head up, you are strengthening your back and building a kick that makes it much easier to site in OWS, especially one that is not wetsuit legal. Pam |
| 2009-01-29 6:42 PM in reply to: #1934910 |
Bob 2194 Binghamton, NY | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills There is nothing evil about kickboards and there is nothing wrong with using a long kick set as a social break. I do 95% of my kicks with a kickboard but do like the variety of some side kicks and back kicks. To the OP. It is important to work on your kicks as a strong kick helps balance your stroke out and make you a more efficient kicker. However you need to get it done works. When you do kick on your stomach try to initiate the kick from the hips and keep your ankles relaxed. |
| 2009-01-29 6:50 PM in reply to: #1936611 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills To the OP: A heck of a lot more talented swimmers have given you their opinion, so most would follow their advice. I'll stick to my "off base" thinking on this one. To each their own. Edited by Daremo 2009-01-29 6:51 PM |
| 2009-01-29 6:56 PM in reply to: #1936621 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills Daremo - 2009-01-29 6:50 PM To the OP: A heck of a lot more talented swimmers have given you their opinion, so most would follow their advice. I'll stick to my "off base" thinking on this one. To each their own. Admit it Rick, you just don't LIKE kicking drills. |
| 2009-01-29 7:17 PM in reply to: #1936627 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills |
| 2009-01-29 7:35 PM in reply to: #1936652 |
Bob 2194 Binghamton, NY | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills Daremo - 2009-01-29 8:17 PM Nope, I don't. (Because they are a waste of what little time I have in the pool). Just be sure to say hello at Eagleman when you blow by me on the bike Rick! |
| 2009-01-29 9:19 PM in reply to: #1936652 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills Daremo - 2009-01-29 7:17 PM Nope, I don't. (Because they are a waste of what little time I have in the pool). Actually, I would agree with that. If you have limited swim time, just swim.  |
| 2009-01-29 11:18 PM in reply to: #1936799 |
| Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills bryancd - 2009-01-29 7:19 PM Daremo - 2009-01-29 7:17 PM Actually, I would agree with that. If you have limited swim time, just swim. Nope, I don't. (Because they are a waste of what little time I have in the pool). My masters coach (3X Kona qualifier and 55 IM swimmer) told me 10 x 50 kicking is good for the IM swim. Takes all kinds |
| 2009-01-30 8:36 AM in reply to: #1936549 |
Expert 1296 | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills Daremo - 2009-01-29 7:00 PM Sometimes the freshest eyes to a sport are the ones that see the clearest ........ swim coaches thought hypoxic sets were beneficial for years (and many naively still do). I'll be the first to admit that hypoxic sets are still a part of my routine. I am not going to debate here about it. Personally, I don't really care what some "sports scientist" tries to tell me. If it works for me then I keep it in my routine. When I don't do these types of sets my breathing is not as good. But that was a totally different thread that I just ignored completely. Honestly, at the end of the day...the debate team isn't going to convince me to do otherwise. I'm too pig headed for that... I do agree that if you are strapped for time the kicking would be the first things to drop from your workout. But I don’t think that’s a question here. Obviously the OP is trying to kick and quite frankly if you’re a bad swimmer you should be working on your kick too. Even if you’re strapped for time. |
| 2009-01-30 8:42 AM in reply to: #1934910 |
| Expert 810 Southeast | Subject: RE: swim guru's...quick question about kicking drills I am nearly the last person anyone should listen to about swimming... With that caveat, I have found that after a few lengths of hard kicking drills (side and front, usually no kickboard), my 'normal' kick (4 or 6 beat kick, fairly relaxed -- I'm not kicking hard when I swim) feels easier and smoother and more streamlined. I don't do the kicking drills to get stronger; I do them because it improves my form. At least, that's what I currently believe. Edited by mdickson68 2009-01-30 8:43 AM |
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