General Discussion Triathlon Talk » Either a confidence builder or a stupid move Rss Feed  
Moderators: k9car363, alicefoeller Reply
 
 
of 2
 
 
2009-08-18 11:00 AM

User image

Champion
6962
500010005001001001001002525
Atlanta, Ga
Subject: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move

YES...I'm tapering

Some of you may see this as elitest, but I assure you it's the opposite.  But if you do, then so be it.

I think I just made either a big mistake or gave myself a little bit of confidence/wiggle room.

I have been preventing myself from analyzing what it would take to 'historically' get me a Kona slot at IM Louisville.  As many people found out at IM MOO last year, historically has nothing to do with race day reality, but it's all we got.

There are 8 slots tentatively available on August 30th for the 35-39 AG.  Today, I took a look at the top 10 times for the last 2 years at this race.  I'm assuming a roll down since it's a 5 week turnaround to Kona.  Last year the 10th finisher went 10:39 with a huge break between 3 & 4 (9:49 to 10:13).  In 2007 the 10th finisher went 10:18. 

For the last month, I have been waffling between:  YES I can do this and WTF are you thinking?!  I also know that it all comes down to what I can do on the race course.  I could perform well or I could perform not so well.  Ideally, I'd like to walk off the course having had a solid race, whatever that time happens to be.  But in reality, if that happens, I have a legitimate chance of getting a slot.

So, back to my analysis.  Out of the top 10 finishers in the last 2 years, including any that aged up, only 4 are entered in this year's race.  From 08 the 1st and 6th place finishers and from 07 the 10th and 3rd (age up).  So...that leaves a huge gap in there for an unknown to step in...like myself or many other fasties granted.

I fully believe that, for me, the difference will be my mental attitude during the race.  During the ENTIRE race.  Specifically mile 80 of the bike and mile 16+ of the run.  Will I be able to just shut out the negative demons and let the race come to me?  Will I buckle and think that I have to walk in order to keep moving? or remember that a slow jog is faster than walking?

We (Jorge and I) have focused on the mental game and I spend the last 10K of every run with the toughts of it's mile 20 of the run...time to focus and get that slot.  Even to the point that I am trying to convince someone to be at the 20 mile marker with a sign that says, "10K to Kona".  But will that be enough?    Will this new found knowledge be my ace in the hole to tell myself to keep going and see where my body takes me? 

Most people that know me would say that I am far from cocky.  And I would agree with them.  But it's also another thing to not believe that you can do something.  I believe that I am in shape to go fast in Louisville.  Wether that happens or not, time will tell.  I walk down the hallway and find myself fantasizing about going down the finish chute and being on the podium in two weeks.  I get that electric feeling inside of me and then the doubts start to creep in.

I really don't know why I am writing this, but I just wanted to put my thoughts into words and see what other people thought.  So in summary, I either just made the quintessintial No No of expecting to do well or gave myself that little bit of confidence of knowing that historically if I am slower than I expect, it's may still be good enough.



2009-08-18 11:10 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Extreme Veteran
580
500252525
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
Go for it with confidence!  You will be proud of yourself no matter what if you give it 100% -- then you will not have any regrets.  Will it be enough on race day?  Who knows, but you can only control your race.  Best of luck to you!
2009-08-18 11:16 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Expert
762
5001001002525
Missouri
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
I think you can do it. . of course you will have to beat me.    One thing is that we really don't know who else is coming to this race that has a solid chance of qualifying.  I have a friend in Minnesota who is coming to race and he is really fast and wants a Kona slot.  So there is always the unknown of who is showing up to really race. 

BUT like you said, just race your race and see what happens.  I think your attitude is great.  Remove all doubt and go for it! 
2009-08-18 11:19 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Champion
10471
500050001001001001002525
Dallas, TX
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
Give it your all. Leave it all on the course. Know when you are done that you did EVERYTHING in your power to finish as fast as you possibly could.

If you tell yourself you may not do it... you are just giving yourself an "out" for performance that will not live up to your expectations.

Be positive. Expect the best. If it doesn't happen, you will know that you tried your absolute hardest. No shame in that.

Good luck!

2009-08-18 11:20 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Veteran
183
100252525
Bellingham, WA
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
I don't think its a stupid move at all to approach a race thinking about what's possible.  You know what you are capable of if you execute your race plan.  It helps me to have a goal like "qualifying" to focus on - I tell myself things like "I belong in the top *** of my AG" and find it helps me through the low spots during the race.

Good luck to you, I hope that your race goes flawlessly and you get a ticket to Kona! 
2009-08-18 11:23 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Elite
2998
2000500100100100100252525
Fishers, Indiana
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
I don't believe in jinxes...if this is a motivator that will give you that edge you need to slip into the zone and rock across the line in a KQ time, then AWESOME!  I think confidence is a huge thing in racing.  There is a program here at Ft. Hood called the Center for Enhanced Performance--basically neuroscience guys and sports psychology guys.  They are taking the same concepts from sports psychology and applying it to Army and Soldier life, etc. in order to, as they say, "reach peek performance."  They are available for us to go to them for anything--Army or life related--so I figured I might as well train for the mental aspect of Ironman as well as the physical.  So, I just started working with them and can tell you that they have already emphasized the importance of visualizing doing well and goal setting.  Our minds work similiar to muscles, if we train them to focus on the negative, we'll see the negative and revert to the negative in decisive moments.  So, rather focusing on the "if I can" or "I can't" etc., by focusing on "I got this, 10k to Kona all the way!" I think your brain will be more apt to tap into that motivation, adrenaline, endorphins to push you through to the goal. 

Absolute best wishes, no jinxes, just confidence, determination, and execution! Hopefully we see you grab a KQ spot and all the "eaches" of race day all in place.  I've read a lot of your posts here and definitely have never seen an elitist or cocky attitude.  There is nothing wrong with confidence and you should wrap yourself in it as you move towards that start line!


2009-08-18 11:33 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
I'm not sure why anyone would think that someone realistically shooting for Kona is elitist.  If that's your goal, might as well hang it out on the line for everyone to see, that way you'll have a lot of mental energy behind you from the rest of us.  Nothing wrong with shooting for the moon.   Best performers in IM are those that slow down the least, so I think the mental game is a huge part of that.

How badly do you want it?

BTW, you are already playing the mental game, but are you winning?  It's either a confidence booster or a stupid move.  The good thing is, you get to decide which one it is.  You better choose quickly

Edited by ChrisM 2009-08-18 11:36 AM
2009-08-18 11:43 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Pro
5169
50001002525
Burbs
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
Go for it.

Look, you'll either qualify or you won't.

Going into with confidence - and staying confident throught the race - cannot hurt you !  The more I train and read about IMs, the more I convinced that it is AS MUCH mental as it is physical.

I think a "10K to Kona sign is a great idea" ---- I saw a sign at RI70.3 that said "The Road to Kona Begins in Providence."

GOOD LUCK !
2009-08-18 11:51 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Cycling Guru
15134
50005000500010025
Fulton, MD
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
I think it was Birkie who said he had a multiple Kona finisher ask him if he was going to KQ and when the answer was "I'd like to" the guy just smiled and walked away.

Or something to that affect.

The point is.  If you second guess, you won't be there mentally to do it and will find excuses.  If you TELL yourself that you will and you know it in your heart, you have just given yourself the opportunity as long as you are physically trained to go for it.
2009-08-18 11:55 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Champion
8766
5000200010005001001002525
Evergreen, Colorado
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
It's only a stupid move if you let it become a stupid move...and by that I mean if you let yourself get so hung up on qualifying that you lose sight of your other goals and thus feel exceptionally disappointed if you don't qualify.

I do not think it is cocky to go into a race attempting to qualify.  If you think you have the talent, bring it!  I think you have the right attitude going...you realize you CAN qualify, you will continuously REMIND yourself of that to help you race better, but you also realize that if the ten fastest dudes in the country show up that day, then you're probably hosed.

GOOD LUCK!  Can't wait to follow your race online!
2009-08-18 11:55 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Champion
7558
500020005002525
Albuquerque, New Mexico
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move

If Kona is your goal, why wouldn't you do anything and everything within your power (and of course, legal and ethical) to make it happen.  If that means putting someone at mile 136 with a reminder, DO IT! 

Your training should tell you whether you're capable of a finish time that makes you a likely top-10/KQ'er.  Without being a downer, have you looked at any of the "young pups" that might have aged up INTO the M35-39 bracket?  It's also possible that the same analysis you've done has caught the attention of other Kona aspirants who are now willing to risk a race in the Louisville heat/humidity. 

We've done some of the Lou Tice/Pacific Institute sessions at work, and visualization is a powerful tool.  Keep focusing on the postive (that finish line picture with a 9:XX:XX flashing) and counter the negatives (visualize how you'll deal with each of the setbacks.) .



2009-08-18 5:28 PM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Elite
3658
200010005001002525
Roswell, GA
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move

Are you planning on racing slower if you aren't trying for a Kona slot?

I doubt it.  You are a smart guy Dan, and you just need to race your race and let the Kona slot take care of itself.

 

2009-08-18 7:22 PM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Champion
19812
50005000500020002000500100100100
MA
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
This year I've come to conclude racing my best is more mental toughness and being in the proper mental place when it counts than I ever gave credit to in the past. I think with the same fitness, race conditions, nutrition/hydration nailed, the outcome can be different depending where you are mentally.

I'm racing my IM the same day as you and my coach told me a month ago what he thinks the slowest I'd be. It surprised me as it was a time I'm afraid to hope for. So it is similar situation am I brave enough and bold enough to believe what he says and make it happen by being mentally strong and believing in myself. I need to be or I think my mind will let me slow down when it hurts due to doubt.

I'm glad you shared your thoughts..enjoy your tapering..me I have 16 mile run tomorrow...so not quite tapering yet for me.
2009-08-19 3:31 AM
in reply to: #2356767

User image

Master
2665
20005001002525
The Whites, New Hampshire
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
brown_dog_us - 2009-08-18 6:28 PM

Are you planning on racing slower if you aren't trying for a Kona slot?

I doubt it.  You are a smart guy Dan, and you just need to race your race and let the Kona slot take care of itself.

 


x2. Race. Compete, not just complete.

Make sure your mental bag of tricks is as deep as your physical bag of tricks. At some point during the race, you will look at your splits, and you will either think, "OMG, I can SO do this, I'm on target, I'm almost there!!" and you will then proceed to immediately tank, or you will look at them and think, "I'm way off base, there's nothing I can do to make up time, I hurt, I'm whining, Kona is out" and you will then proceed to immediately tank. Be prepared for those and be ready to throw them out like the trash they are.

Just race. If you KQ, that will be some gloriously good icing on some pretty fantastic cake. But the icing is always optional, and the better you make the cake, the better the whole package will taste.

Finally, check out my sig.
2009-08-19 6:41 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Veteran
204
100100
Jacksonville, Fl
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move

Our Greatest Fear

Marianne Williamson from her book "A Return to Love"

Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,
but that we are powerful beyond measure.

It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.
We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant,
gorgeous, handsome, talented and fabulous?

Actually, who are you not to be?
You are a child of God.

Your playing small does not serve the world.
There is nothing enlightened about shrinking
so that other people won't feel insecure around you.

We were born to make manifest the glory of God within us.
It is not just in some; it is in everyone.

And, as we let our own light shine, we consciously give
other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our fear,
our presence automatically liberates others.

2009-08-19 7:35 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Champion
9600
500020002000500100
Fountain Hills, AZ
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
The beauty of racing an IM, Dan, is you already know what you can do if you put it all together in terms of pacing and nothing really unexpected happens on race day. With that knowledge and confidence and based on what I have seen in your training in regards to pacing, the math works out that you should be able to put together a 10 hour day, 1-1:05 swim, 5:15 bike, 3:30-3:40 run. So your race will be about putting those three times together. It's NOT about racing for a Kona slot. You don't race for a Kona slot, they simply come to you if you put together the day you trained for. This is a big mental step you should take. Forget the slot and race the race you trained for and you will get the slot. Don't be out on the course "chasing" it, that's dangerous. Ironman isn't a race against anyone except yourself.


In regards to doing the qualifying math, never assume a rolldown and figure everyone will be 10% faster than last year.


2009-08-19 7:57 AM
in reply to: #2357438

User image

New user
4

Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
Thanks for sharing...good stuff!!!
2009-08-19 7:59 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Master
2411
2000100100100100
Goodyear, AZ
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move

I think it's great that you put in in writing, it shows you already have your mental game on! Good luck to you, I havent followed your logs/training but it looks like a lot of people here believe in you too! Cant wait to hear how it goes!

2009-08-19 10:36 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Pro
5169
50001002525
Burbs
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
I forgot to add:

elitist is not: "I think I have a shot at Kona"
elitist is: "if you don't have a shot at Kona you shouldn't be here"
2009-08-19 3:33 PM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Expert
828
50010010010025
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
Marvarnett - 2009-08-18 12:00 PM

I either just made the quintessintial No No of expecting to do well .



If you don't expect to do well, you probably won't. I think it's a good thing. I'll be looking for KQ and your name next to it!!!
2009-08-19 6:36 PM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Champion
9600
500020002000500100
Fountain Hills, AZ
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
I can tell you this, Dan, not once did I ever think I would not qualify, even after getting a flat.


2009-08-19 6:38 PM
in reply to: #2357498

User image

Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
bryancd - 2009-08-19 5:35 AM The beauty of racing an IM, Dan, is you already know what you can do if you put it all together in terms of pacing and nothing really unexpected happens on race day. With that knowledge and confidence and based on what I have seen in your training in regards to pacing, the math works out that you should be able to put together a 10 hour day, 1-1:05 swim, 5:15 bike, 3:30-3:40 run. So your race will be about putting those three times together. It's NOT about racing for a Kona slot. You don't race for a Kona slot, they simply come to you if you put together the day you trained for. This is a big mental step you should take. Forget the slot and race the race you trained for and you will get the slot. Don't be out on the course "chasing" it, that's dangerous. Ironman isn't a race against anyone except yourself. In regards to doing the qualifying math, never assume a rolldown and figure everyone will be 10% faster than last year.


I like this part
2009-08-19 8:17 PM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Master
2314
2000100100100
Gulf Shores, AL
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
make sure you have your mullet
2009-08-20 8:19 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Coach
10487
50005000100100100100252525
Boston, MA
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
Dan,

The number 1 goal for the race is to execute smart and be mentally tough when you hit rough spots. You have to be able to stick to your plan but be flexible when things need to be change for the best. Don't fret over the KQ, as I told you before, if you execute smart you have have done the work to be in the mix. It is not your fitness what might be between you and achieving that goal; it is your mind that you have to convince 100% that you are capable of, no ifs, no buts, no perhaps. You can only worry about the things you can control and that should be your focus; you will come to a crossing road during the race when you'll have to battle your doubts and if you finally realize you can do it, if you are willing to endure adversity and pain because you want it that bad, then everything will seem 'easier'. In the end, while we have certain expectations, those are only the icing on the cake; if you have a solid performance and come on top defeating any self-doubts, that would be a succesful race regardless of the actual result.

Enjoy taper madeness!
2009-08-20 8:25 AM
in reply to: #2355613

User image

Champion
9600
500020002000500100
Fountain Hills, AZ
Subject: RE: Either a confidence builder or a stupid move
To your coach you listen!
The difference in executing an IM vs. a Half IM is that it's very important to remain in the "now". You need to only concern yourself with the immediate, not 5 min. or hours into the future. That's the spot where the negative thoughts can creep in and crush your will.
New Thread
General Discussion Triathlon Talk » Either a confidence builder or a stupid move Rss Feed  
 
 
of 2