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 2009-06-18 11:26 AM |
Member  82 |  Subject: Camelbak long run (among other things)Hey all, So yesterday I had my long run for the week (9.0 miles) planned. Generally, my long runs have me going at a 10:00-10:30 min/mile pace. I threw the camelbak on, brought some Hammer Gel and had an amazing run (9:24 min/mile)! I figured the weight of the pack would slow me down, but I think it was entirely offset by being properly hydrated and gelled. This is also one of the first times I've felt, throughout the run and all the way to the end, like my legs just wanted to open up and run faster, something I tried not to do. Coincentally, I totally missed a turn, so my run was cut to 8.4 miles. At the end, though, I felt like could've just kept going. This was also my 2nd day on the (modified version of the) Paleo diet, which has me feeling much... cleaner?? I'd strongly recommend it. So, beyond writing because I'm so psyched about one of my best runs ever, I do have a question: For those of you that have run with a camelbak during training, how did that translate to race day? Assuming you didn't run with it, do you feel your pace was much faster because you had no weight on your back? For those who don't use a camelbak, what's your favorite way of staying hydrated when you're out there for a while? Dennis |
| 2009-06-18 11:28 AM in reply to: #2226782 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290   The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) IMHO (and IMH Experience), wearing a Camelback on a <10-mile run is overkill. In fact, I would rarely drink anything on a run of that length. Hydrate before, hydrate after, just run in between. |
| 2009-06-18 11:57 AM in reply to: #2226782 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) On runs of 10 miles or less, I don't carry anything. Like The BEar said, I hydrate before and after. I chew gum, and if I need it, occasionally take a gu. The only time I bring water is if it's A) really hot B)I'm going closer to 12+ and C) there is no where to stop and drink if I need it. Even then, I probably wouldn't take any more than 6-8 oz, definitely not a camelback. |
| 2009-06-18 12:16 PM in reply to: #2226782 |
Elite 3683   Whispering Pines, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) agree with the above...a camelbak is good for hikes in the woods (especially if you fill it with lots of ice, as it will keep your back cool and you can douse cool water over your head, and you can squirt water in your dogs mouth from a foot or two away), but to run 10 miles? too short a distance, imo. that's a lot of weight to carry around! i never carry anything with me on long runs, but...if you feel that works for you, then do it!  |
| 2009-06-18 12:27 PM in reply to: #2226782 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) I think some of you are camels! No water for a 10 mile run? Well, for me, 10 miles takes close to 2 hours. No water for 2 hours is just too long for me. Especially if I take a gel or two. No water with gel... yuck. If the Camelbak works... work it! I use a handheld water bottle by Nathans. Fits in my hand easily and has a pocket on it. I can't take the sloshing from my Camelbak. My handheld water bottle has worked great for up to 7 hours worth of walking/running! |
| 2009-06-18 12:41 PM in reply to: #2226942 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) I'm guessing the Bear, et. al. are up in Northern States. Down in the hot states, I take water every chance I can. I have worn my CB Mule (the big one because I don't have another) for 6-11 milers when I knew I wouldn't be near water. I fill it with as much ice as I can jam into it and then pour some water in it. It keeps my back cool. Haven't tried it for a race. I may give it a try August 8th. It was over 100 last year for that race. |
| 2009-06-18 12:50 PM in reply to: #2226782 |
Extreme Veteran 569 Austin, TX | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) I'm also in the south (Austin, TX) and it is HOT here. I would certainly take water on a 10-mile run...anything over 45 minutes really. I've got the CamelBak Mule as well but I've never ran with it, only mountain biked and hiked. When I run with water, I carry a water bottle. |
| 2009-06-18 1:00 PM in reply to: #2226782 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) 10 mile run I'd drink about 60+ oz of nuuns no way I'd go without for a run that length. I'm with Karen and I carry Nathan's hand held water bottle holder and stop about every 40' to refill. Interesting how hydration really does make a difference. Could be fitness as well. |
| 2009-06-18 1:05 PM in reply to: #2227019 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) GomesBolt - 2009-06-18 12:41 PM I'm guessing the Bear, et. al. are up in Northern States. Down in the hot states, I take water every chance I can. Your guess is completely wrong, unless Louisiana qualifies as a "Northern State." I'll start taking fluids with me on runs of two hours or more. Even then, a camelback is overkill; a 4-bottle Fuel belt is plenty, running eight-mile loops for refills. |
| 2009-06-18 1:07 PM in reply to: #2226782 |
Master 1356 | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) FWIW- A ski instructor suggested I leave the camelbak at home - the weight on your back causes you to change your form to counterbalance the weight of the water. So, just a thought to consider - are you training in a good form if you are carrying the camelbak? |
| 2009-06-18 1:20 PM in reply to: #2226782 |
Extreme Veteran 1234 West Michigan | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) Rather than chime in on the debate of do you or don't you take water along on a run < 10 miles, I'd say the best thing is to know your sweat rate. There are threads on the site for calculating it so I won't lay it out here, however knowing how much you as an individual sweats will best determine if you should carry water with you on your various distance runs. However, I will just say that if you prefer to have some water on your run, there's no reason to not bring some. The issue will become how much do you bring and in what method (nathan, CB, etc.). After all, we're each an experiment of one.... |
| 2009-06-18 1:28 PM in reply to: #2227107 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) I wore one a couple times, but ended up giving up on that idea after a couple times. What works for ME: I never bring anything if it's going to be an hour or less which is most of my runs becuase I don't usually do more than 5-7 miles in a run. I may bring something if it's going to be about 90 minutes if it's a HOT day here in the desert - this is my grey area. 10 miles is basically around 90 minutes for me. So more times than not, I bring nothing. Granted, I'm pretty uncomfortable with thirst that last mile or two. Anything over that, and I consider bringing fluids. I do that in two ways. I do a loop around the house a couple times and stop after the first loop to grab a bottle. OR, I tuck a couple bucks away and stop off at a convenience store about half way through the run and grab a bottle of something. Drink it and toss the bottle at the nearest recepticle... Even when I was doing my crazy 3 hour runs, I would just make stops every 45 minutes at the house (after each lap of a loop) to grab a new bottle to drink on the next lap. |
| 2009-06-18 1:40 PM in reply to: #2227098 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) the bear - 2009-06-18 2:05 PM GomesBolt - 2009-06-18 12:41 PM I'm guessing the Bear, et. al. are up in Northern States. Down in the hot states, I take water every chance I can. Your guess is completely wrong, unless Louisiana qualifies as a "Northern State." North of me...Just messing with you. Lousiana is about as southern as can be. I guess you've got a good "sweat-rate." I never appreciated hydration until I went to OCS and saw a Navy Corpsman taking someone's core temp rectally. Ever-since, I always take water on anything over 4 miles. |
| 2009-06-18 2:04 PM in reply to: #2227083 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) KathyG - 2009-06-18 1:00 PM 10 mile run I'd drink about 60+ oz of nuuns no way I'd go without for a run that length. I'm with Karen and I carry Nathan's hand held water bottle holder and stop about every 40' to refill. Interesting how hydration really does make a difference. Could be fitness as well. My opinion (again) is that hydration (and nutrition, for that matter) doesn't make as big a difference as a lot of people think. Especially on short (i.e., < 2-hour) training efforts. My digestive system couldn't process 60 ounces of fluid taken on a 10-mile run. |
| 2009-06-18 2:04 PM in reply to: #2227221 |
Champion 10020 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) How big is your Camelbak? I know these come in several sized and I have one that is not very big or heavy when full. I personally am not even going to try wearing it for a run, because I've run with a "running" backpack and it was a pain in the neck - literally, from rubbing. I also need water with me on a run of over about 45 minutes and mostly use a handheld bottle with a strap from my local running store. When I go about 1.5 hours or more then I switch to the fuel belt (2 bottles). I imagine that having access to a cool drink (something Camelbak can provide) would be truly awesome. Congrats on the long run! If it worked for you, then you've found a good solution. I will never forget my first half-marathon, for which I wore the fuel belt and carried a few gels. I was laughed at by several people, who all said "I just take what's on the course...", some of which I saw looking really miserable at about mile 10 during what turned out to be a hot day. In Minnesota, no less! I've now worn that fuel belt in 3 half marathons and was glad each time for various reasons. My point here is that you should also feel okay with trying the camelbak for your races if you want. Frankly, I wish I had mine on a few bike rides recently. The more technical the course, the harder it is to grab a bottle. P.S. You can also squirt the water in the tube of the Camelbak on your head for a quick refresher, which also eliminates that first warm drink. Edited by BikerGrrrl 2009-06-18 2:06 PM |
| 2009-06-18 2:16 PM in reply to: #2226782 |
Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) So, beyond writing because I'm so psyched about one of my best runs ever, I do have a question: For those of you that have run with a camelbak during training, how did that translate to race day? Assuming you didn't run with it, do you feel your pace was much faster because you had no weight on your back? For those who don't use a camelbak, what's your favorite way of staying hydrated when you're out there for a while? Dennis I take a camelbak on my "longer" runs in the summer. I won't even get into defining long...but the definition is different in winter versus summer. I found that if I don't bring water I get really really thirsty and my performance suffers. I have tried carrying water bottles but they just annoy me. Year and years ago I used to do long runs without water and now I truly wonder how the heck I did it. I DO NOT wear it for races. Almost every race I have been in provides more than enough water on the run course. I kind of like the "free" feeling of racing without it. It may just be in my mind, but I do feel a bit lighter....and really I hardly notice the darn thing in training. I do this on my bike too. When I lived in SD places to fuel up were RARE so I had to bring the camelbak or I ran out of water. That and I'm cheap and couldn't see paying $2-$5 for water every time I stopped. With a camelbak I could ride for HOURS without stopping. Then you ride without it in a race and feel nice and "free". |
| 2009-06-18 2:33 PM in reply to: #2227107 |
Member 82 | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) movingsouth - 2009-06-18 2:07 PM FWIW- So, just a thought to consider - are you training in a good form if you are carrying the camelbak? I think I was actually more aware of my form (judging solely off last night's run) than I normally am, and further, had the energy to keep my form good. I'll have to play around with this a bit. Aikidoman - 2009-06-18 2:28 PM II do a loop around the house a couple times and stop after the first loop to grab a bottle. I thought about doing this, but the thought of getting to the comfort of my home, only to leave for a few more miles, was too much. My will power is not that strong BikerGrrrl - 2009-06-18 3:04 PM How big is your Camelbak? I know these come in several sized and I have one that is not very big or heavy when full. Here's the Camelbak I use. It's definitely one of their smaller models. http://www.ems.com/catalog/product_detail_square.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442597637&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302881301 I'm going to try that 'squirt to the head' trick, thanks! |
| 2009-06-18 2:50 PM in reply to: #2227378 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) denefi - 2009-06-18 12:33 PM Aikidoman - 2009-06-18 2:28 PM II do a loop around the house a couple times and stop after the first loop to grab a bottle. I thought about doing this, but the thought of getting to the comfort of my home, only to leave for a few more miles, was too much. My will power is not that strong Oh, you can't dilly dally. You need to get in, grab the bottle and get out before the door even shuts... If you stop to rest, you are toast. |
| 2009-06-18 3:39 PM in reply to: #2226782 |
Regular 316 | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) ANYTHING other than intervals, I'm wearing my Mule(Camelbak). Heck for lunchtime runs, I stick wallet, keys, phone(s), etc. and just put the added weight down to a training aid. I'm in N. Texas and wouldn't think of going out without it between March and November. X2 on whoever said there must be a bunch of camels responding. Even with hydration, I still can't breakeven with my sweat rate. |
| 2009-06-18 3:57 PM in reply to: #2226782 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) Why would you wear a Camelbak as opposed to a Fuel Belt? Seems a lot easier to me to wear a Fuel Belt. |
| 2009-06-18 4:07 PM in reply to: #2227295 |
Expert 939 Tulsa | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) the bear - 2009-06-18 2:04 PM KathyG - 2009-06-18 1:00 PM 10 mile run I'd drink about 60+ oz of nuuns no way I'd go without for a run that length. I'm with Karen and I carry Nathan's hand held water bottle holder and stop about every 40' to refill. Interesting how hydration really does make a difference. Could be fitness as well. My opinion (again) is that hydration (and nutrition, for that matter) doesn't make as big a difference as a lot of people think. Especially on short (i.e., < 2-hour) training efforts. My digestive system couldn't process 60 ounces of fluid taken on a 10-mile run. It could if its 100+ degrees and you are putting out sweat like a fountain. I did a 55 minute run yesterday in 98 degree heat and drank 60oz of water. I was well hydrated before and i still drank another 32 oz within an hour of completing my run. I had a continous stream of sweat pouring off my hat. |
| 2009-06-18 4:11 PM in reply to: #2227607 |
Member 82 | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) scoobysdad - 2009-06-18 4:57 PM Why would you wear a Camelbak as opposed to a Fuel Belt? Seems a lot easier to me to wear a Fuel Belt. A combination of things: I went to running-specific store here in Boston to figure out hydration. The guy I spoke to said he prefers running with a small camelbak like the one I have, as opposed to the Fuel Belt. He didn't like the feel of the fuel belt hanging around his waste. Also, cost is a major consideration for me. I already owned the camelbak from touring on a bike, so I figured I'd at least give it a go, with his recommendation, and see how it works out. Luckily, it did! Lastly, and someone alluded to this earlier in the thread, I sweat a ton. Once I get into longer (2.5-3 hour) runs, I don't think I'll survive on the small amount of water those fuel belts hold, or seem to hold. |
| 2009-06-18 4:12 PM in reply to: #2226782 |
Expert 1123 Falls Church, VA | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) Heck a mule is so big, I have a separate hydration pack for racing. I know come august I'll be using my hydration belt most runs, since I'm not a huge fan of early morning workouts. |
| 2009-06-18 4:25 PM in reply to: #2227636 |
Champion 10020 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) Another added benefit of Camelbak: much colder water. The fuel belt water gets warm and nasty quick, I think. Man, I think I'm going to drag out my Camelbak on my next run and give it a go! |
| 2009-06-18 7:42 PM in reply to: #2227661 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Camelbak long run (among other things) BikerGrrrl - 2009-06-18 5:25 PM Another added benefit of Camelbak: much colder water. The fuel belt water gets warm and nasty quick, I think. Man, I think I'm going to drag out my Camelbak on my next run and give it a go! Plus I find a camelbak is much easier to use overall. The hose is right there, you don't have to jimmy a little bottle back into place, and the flow is much better to get a drink. I have numerous camelbaks of various makes and sizes, and one fuel belt that I tried a few times but in the end, I gave up on it. |
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