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 2013-12-16 11:22 AM |
Master  2946     Centennial, CO |  Subject: Santa and RacismSo I just read this article and it raised some issues: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/us/new-mexico-teacher-black-santa/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 1. How can a teacher be so dumb? 2. How can a High School student not know that Santa is fictional and this teacher is FOS.
To me, I think the second question is more alarming. |
| 2013-12-16 11:24 AM in reply to: velocomp |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by velocomp So I just read this article and it raised some issues: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/us/new-mexico-teacher-black-santa/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 1. How can a teacher be so dumb? 2. How can a High School student not know that Santa is fictional and this teacher is FOS.
To me, I think the second question is more alarming. I quit trying to figure out why people say stupid things??? |
| 2013-12-16 12:41 PM in reply to: jford2309 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by jford2309 Originally posted by velocomp So I just read this article and it raised some issues: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/us/new-mexico-teacher-black-santa/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 1. How can a teacher be so dumb? 2. How can a High School student not know that Santa is fictional and this teacher is FOS.
To me, I think the second question is more alarming. I quit trying to figure out why people say stupid things??? X2. I'm not sure how anyone, whether it's a teacher in some school in New Mexico or an anchor on Fox, can think, in this day and age, that there's any good that can come from saying something like the comments mentioned in the article. The level of sensitivity to this stuff is completely off the charts. |
| 2013-12-16 1:21 PM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism I figure this argument will be settled in 9 days when Tuwood captures Santa on his home surveillance system. |
| 2013-12-16 2:06 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism This thread really needs the clip from Family Guy with all of the little international kids arguing about why Santa can't be a certain race, but Google is letting me down. |
| 2013-12-16 2:49 PM in reply to: jford2309 |
Master 2477 Oceanside, California | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by jford2309 I quit trying to figure out why people say stupid things??? This. |
| 2013-12-16 3:01 PM in reply to: eabeam |
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| 2013-12-17 7:57 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by Left Brain I figure this argument will be settled in 9 days when Tuwood captures Santa on his home surveillance system. I have something special set up for him. hehe |
| 2013-12-17 7:59 AM in reply to: jeffnboise |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by jeffnboise Teacher made a mistake. Meygn Kelley is an idiot. But she is cute. |
| 2013-12-17 8:08 AM in reply to: velocomp |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by velocomp So I just read this article and it raised some issues: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/us/new-mexico-teacher-black-santa/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 1. How can a teacher be so dumb? 2. How can a High School student not know that Santa is fictional and this teacher is FOS.
To me, I think the second question is more alarming. So, I'm going to split one hair here. I don't see this as racist. Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another and I don't necessarily see the statement being that black people can't be Santa because whites are better. OK, now I'm trying to understand that Santa is fictional thing. I just saw him at the mall last night and he was definitely real. :-P |
| 2013-12-17 8:36 AM in reply to: jford2309 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by jford2309 Originally posted by velocomp So I just read this article and it raised some issues: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/us/new-mexico-teacher-black-santa/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 1. How can a teacher be so dumb? 2. How can a High School student not know that Santa is fictional and this teacher is FOS.
To me, I think the second question is more alarming. I quit trying to figure out why people say stupid things??? I bet that freed up a lot of time. |
| 2013-12-17 9:14 AM in reply to: powerman |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Megyn's response to the race baiters |
| 2013-12-17 9:36 AM in reply to: tuwood |
| Extreme Veteran 406 | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by tuwood Megyn's response to the race baiters For me, I could not care less what color one thinks Santa is or was, but it was the "Jesus was a white man" comment that burst a vein for me. |
| 2013-12-17 9:39 AM in reply to: Bodaggit |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism As usual, much ado about nothing. |
| 2013-12-17 10:31 AM in reply to: 0 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by velocomp So I just read this article and it raised some issues: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/us/new-mexico-teacher-black-santa/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 1. How can a teacher be so dumb? 2. How can a High School student not know that Santa is fictional and this teacher is FOS.
To me, I think the second question is more alarming. So, I'm going to split one hair here. I don't see this as racist. Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another and I don't necessarily see the statement being that black people can't be Santa because whites are better. As long as we're splitting hairs... Racism doesn't always mean that you believe one race to be superior to another. I think that's a pretty commonly-held belief, but it's incorrect. Most dictionaries have two definitions for racism. For example, from Websters: Full Definition of RACISM 1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2: racial prejudice or discrimination Honestly, I think the second definition is more important than the first, because, while the first one deals with a person's opinions, the second deals with actual treatment of and actions towards the person of the other race. If a person hates Jews because they think Jews are evil or inferior or whatever, that's too bad, but honestly, as long as they keep their belief to themselves, it doesn't affect me at all. Discrimination, on the other hand, can affect my ability to get a job or an apartment or any number of things. I don't really know if Megyn Kelly is racist. My personal opinion, and it's just an opinion, is that anyone who's feels so strongly that there can only be one "correct" race for a fictional character is probably a racist. Edited by jmk-brooklyn 2013-12-17 10:36 AM |
| 2013-12-17 11:10 AM in reply to: jmk-brooklyn |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by tuwood As long as we're splitting hairs... Racism doesn't always mean that you believe one race to be superior to another. I think that's a pretty commonly-held belief, but it's incorrect. Most dictionaries have two definitions for racism. For example, from Websters: Full Definition of RACISM 1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2: racial prejudice or discrimination Honestly, I think the second definition is more important than the first, because, while the first one deals with a person's opinions, the second deals with actual treatment of and actions towards the person of the other race. If a person hates Jews because they think Jews are evil or inferior or whatever, that's too bad, but honestly, as long as they keep their belief to themselves, it doesn't affect me at all. Discrimination, on the other hand, can affect my ability to get a job or an apartment or any number of things. I don't really know if Megyn Kelly is racist. My personal opinion, and it's just an opinion, is that anyone who's feels so strongly that there can only be one "correct" race for a fictional character is probably a racist. Originally posted by velocomp So I just read this article and it raised some issues: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/us/new-mexico-teacher-black-santa/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 1. How can a teacher be so dumb? 2. How can a High School student not know that Santa is fictional and this teacher is FOS.
To me, I think the second question is more alarming. So, I'm going to split one hair here. I don't see this as racist. Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another and I don't necessarily see the statement being that black people can't be Santa because whites are better.
You had me right up until the last sentence. I have known some racists in my day, and a statement about a fictional character being depicted as white in virtually every setting throughout history is not racist in my book. |
| 2013-12-17 12:53 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by Left Brain As usual, much ado about nothing. Yep, and once again, people are clamoring for their dismissal. Nothing speaks louder to trying to educated or show some tolerance to people that make stupid statements than taking them from their livelihood, ruining their reputation and possible chances at future employment, strip them from their means of income and all the possible repercussions from that... It's SO easy to say "FIRE THEM!" as an outsider just because you don't like what they said. Not sure if they realize, in these times, how precarious getting fired/laid off can be. Stupid comment, stupid reactions. Typical. |
| 2013-12-17 12:57 PM in reply to: 0 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Santa can be black, IMO. Shoot we have white, black, Asian, Indian, old, young, female, male, little person Elvises (Elv-ie?) in Vegas. Whatever your taste, we have an Elvis for you! And Elvis WAS real. Edited by Kido 2013-12-17 12:57 PM |
| 2013-12-17 1:14 PM in reply to: Kido |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by Kido Santa can be black, IMO. Shoot we have white, black, Asian, Indian, old, young, female, male, little person Elvises (Elv-ie?) in Vegas. Whatever your taste, we have an Elvis for you! And Elvis WAS real. Yeah, but Elvis is dead so it's ok. |
| 2013-12-17 1:22 PM in reply to: Kido |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/forensics/1282186 Article on Jesus' most likely physical appearance
The real St Nick ^^^^^ http://www.omhksea.org/2011/12/saint-nicholas-archbishop-of-myra/
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| 2013-12-17 2:05 PM in reply to: Kido |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by Kido Santa can be black, IMO. Shoot we have white, black, Asian, Indian, old, young, female, male, little person Elvises (Elv-ie?) in Vegas. Whatever your taste, we have an Elvis for you! And Elvis WAS real. Coke is the real racist here. They are the ones who made him white!!! http://www.coca-colacompany.com/holidays/the-true-history-of-the-modern-day-santa-claus |
| 2013-12-17 2:42 PM in reply to: mrbbrad |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by mrbbrad Originally posted by Kido Santa can be black, IMO. Shoot we have white, black, Asian, Indian, old, young, female, male, little person Elvises (Elv-ie?) in Vegas. Whatever your taste, we have an Elvis for you! And Elvis WAS real. Yeah, but Elvis is dead so it's ok. That's what he wants us to think. |
| 2013-12-17 4:14 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Santa and Racism Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Originally posted by tuwood As long as we're splitting hairs... Racism doesn't always mean that you believe one race to be superior to another. I think that's a pretty commonly-held belief, but it's incorrect. Most dictionaries have two definitions for racism. For example, from Websters: Full Definition of RACISM 1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2: racial prejudice or discrimination Honestly, I think the second definition is more important than the first, because, while the first one deals with a person's opinions, the second deals with actual treatment of and actions towards the person of the other race. If a person hates Jews because they think Jews are evil or inferior or whatever, that's too bad, but honestly, as long as they keep their belief to themselves, it doesn't affect me at all. Discrimination, on the other hand, can affect my ability to get a job or an apartment or any number of things. I don't really know if Megyn Kelly is racist. My personal opinion, and it's just an opinion, is that anyone who's feels so strongly that there can only be one "correct" race for a fictional character is probably a racist. Originally posted by velocomp So I just read this article and it raised some issues: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/us/new-mexico-teacher-black-santa/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 1. How can a teacher be so dumb? 2. How can a High School student not know that Santa is fictional and this teacher is FOS.
To me, I think the second question is more alarming. So, I'm going to split one hair here. I don't see this as racist. Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another and I don't necessarily see the statement being that black people can't be Santa because whites are better.
You had me right up until the last sentence. I have known some racists in my day, and a statement about a fictional character being depicted as white in virtually every setting throughout history is not racist in my book. Sure, it's my opinion of her, and it could be wrong. I find it hard to believe that a grown woman and a journalist (ok, she works for FOX, so I use the term loosely, but still...  ) would feel that strongly about Santa Claus. That tirade was coming from somewhere deep down, and it wasn't her deep abiding love of Kris Kringle. I suppose one could argue that it was a rant against "political correctness" rather than being "about" Santa, which is certainly possible. I just felt like, "wow, this topic has engendered some awfully strong feelings in this woman" and it's hard to believe that it was just about Santa. |
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