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2009-04-27 9:38 PM

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Subject: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?

Just curious on peoples takes here. Especially vs cycling where you race based on your performance and not your age.



2009-04-27 10:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
I've participated in a number of bicycle rides (not races, rides), and participatory events don't run have a clock running.

As I see it, if the clock is running the event it's a race not and thus it has to be at least partially about performance. This is "by definition" to me. I realize there are a lot of events where people "just want to finish" and that's fine but in its own way that's still about performance.
2009-04-27 10:48 PM
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False dichotomy.  It's about both for me

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2009-04-27 10:56 PM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
gonna be a mixed bag of responses for you. 

My personal philosophy is that I don't care where I finish unless I ALMOST do really well (4th AG).  Then i beat myself up.
2009-04-27 10:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
ChrisM - 2009-04-27 11:48 PM False dichotomy.  It's about both for me

And the coffee 


and the post race cookies.
2009-04-27 11:03 PM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
In the beginning, participation is a performance marker.

It is just part of the progression.


2009-04-27 11:11 PM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?

For me it's mostly about participation and improvement.  I don't know that I ever expect to be on a podium, and don't really care.  But I know it's different for others.

2009-04-27 11:20 PM
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If triathlon was just about participation, I don't think I would enjoy it nearly as much.  It is mostly about performance for me, but to perform you have to participate, and I like to think I measure my performance against my own expectations for myself, and not my placement.  However, being a naturally competitive person, I do pay a little bit of attention to my place in the pack.  Occasionally something surprising happens, like my 3/14 AG finish this past weekend. 

2009-04-27 11:44 PM
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tjh - 2009-04-28 3:11 PM

For me it's mostly about participation and improvement.  I don't know that I ever expect to be on a podium, and don't really care.

This applies to me also. It will always be a 'race' but the race is against myself. I try not to get involved in comparing myself to others.

In fact my measurables, if you will, are Participation, Enjoyment, Performance (relative to past perfromances).

2009-04-28 12:45 AM
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I like triathlon because you compete against yourself, I'm not a huge fan of being ultra competitive and winning at all costs etc, I just like to do better than last time and keep improving.

Although if I have a slow race or things go wrong I don't really care, I'm having too much fun anyway.

People ask me how doing exercise for hours on end can be fun but I just love it
2009-04-28 12:54 AM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
if you compete, what's the point of doing the race without performance? Why not save a few bucks and do your own triathlon if you really want to.....that way you can say you've finished a triathlon. but its whatever.


2009-04-28 1:56 AM
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eabeam - 2009-04-28 6:03 AM In the beginning, participation is a performance marker.

It is just part of the progression.


I agree with this.  Initially I did it for participation.  As I have improved I have become to focus more and more on performance.  For me it is definitly a progression.
2009-04-28 5:26 AM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
This reminds me of what my cross country and track coach from college used to say, "There are participants and there are competitors. Which one are you?". I prefer to compete in races against others. But must say that since I have gone to doing IM's the focus has changed to just trying to better myself. When training and doing shorter distances it means I stay local so it gets competitive with other locals and friends.
2009-04-28 5:42 AM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
The first one was about participation.  After that, it became about performance against my previous times.  Podium finishes are nice, but it really depends on the size of the field and who shows up.  The only real standard to measure against is what I've done in the past and I think that's just one of the aspects that make this sport great.
2009-04-28 5:53 AM
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Mine's participation more than anything.

I'll use the races to chart how my performance has changed over the year(s) but that's an after the fact look, not the primary reason to do them.
2009-04-28 6:54 AM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
Once you pin a number on, the barrier has been crossed.


2009-04-28 7:10 AM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?

trishie - 2009-04-27 11:57 PM
ChrisM - 2009-04-27 11:48 PM False dichotomy.  It's about both for me

And the coffee 


and the post race cookies.

you can say <i>that</i> again...

I go to compete...against others and myself. Others push me harder than I normally would go.

2009-04-28 7:18 AM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
For me it is all about performance; performance against others and performance against myself.
2009-04-28 7:34 AM
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froglegs - 2009-04-28 12:20 AM

If triathlon was just about participation, I don't think I would enjoy it nearly as much.  It is mostly about performance for me, but to perform you have to participate, and I like to think I measure my performance against my own expectations for myself, and not my placement.  However, being a naturally competitive person, I do pay a little bit of attention to my place in the pack.  Occasionally something surprising happens, like my 3/14 AG finish this past weekend. 



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2009-04-28 7:50 AM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?

Since this is my first year it will be about participating, but at the same time racing as hard as I can.  I came from a very competitive cycling background that consumed all of my time.  Now that I have three kids I know my fitness will be much lower than it used to be and I have to be realistic that I cannot train 15+ hours a week at this point in my life (4-6 hours is more likely the average) and cannot race almost every weekends, a lot of the times twice, from March through December.  I will say I do get competitive when a number is strapped on and I know how to suffer so who knows what will happen at the first race. 

2009-04-28 8:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
My first two last year were all about participation, i just wanted to finish and not die. As my fitness has improved over the winter and into early spring here, i am getting to the point where i want to become more competitive, against myself and against others in my race/age group/clyde division. As has been said before, for me it has become natural progression, i kinda knew for me it would, i have never not tried to be competitive in any sport that i have undertaken, whether that was golf, softball, racquetball or any other sport i have played. But that being said, if i am not enjoying myself i will not do it, and so far, even while in pain from exertion, i am having a blast.



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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
ChrisM - 2009-04-27 11:48 PM False dichotomy.  It's about both for me


This.

Making the committment and effort to complete a tri at all, and then move up the ladder in distance says a lot, I think.  That's what makes you a triathlete to begin with.  Once that's considered, your effort is quantified and you have the opportunity compete, whether it's against yourself, your peers, or the entire field. 

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2009-04-28 8:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
I think it really depends on your definition of performance.  If you're defining performance as it is measured against other in your AG, that is one thing - but I think you can still go out to perform well but simply be worried about how you do compared to your own personal bests, etc.  I think those that would categorize themselves as participation driven are still probably going out and trying to better their best.
2009-04-28 8:37 AM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
Entering a race allows you to compare yourself to others of like age and/or experience and gives you a placing of where you stand within a group.  Whether one is fast or slow is not really relevant and the fastest person in one race could only be middle of the pack in another even with the same performance.  There is always a bigger fish in the sea.

If everyone only entered races to be in contention for the overall or AG wins, the fields would get pretty small .....
2009-04-28 9:02 AM
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Subject: RE: Is triathlon really about participation and not performance?
For me, with my firt tri coming up in a couple of weeks, it is a combination of both.  As others have said, in the beginning there will be more emphasis on participation.  But, as I improve, I estimate that it will also be about performance.
I say this because when I started running a year ago, that was just about participation - to know that I could do it.  That first 5k run was difficult and I was dead tired and sore for days afterwards.  Now, a year later, while not looking to the podium, I do look to improve my times and learn how to run smarter and better.  So, in running races, there is the fun of participation, but now also the desire for performance.

Outside of a select few who have a chance for the podium, the performance will be an individual goal.  Was my time better, did I feel stronger, did I overcome some problem? 

At the end, I can be happy about finishing - especially as others are still 'on the couch'.  And, I can enjoy the cookies and snacks at the finish!
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