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2012-12-17 1:16 PM

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Subject: Cell Towers on School Property
As I drove in to work this morning, I saw something that made me wonder from whom and what we're worrying about protecting our children.  There was a utility bucket truck parked on the middle school property and a massive cell tower that it had just finished setting into place at the corner of the playground and front corner of the school building.  How many cancer deaths are going to happen from that?  Oh yeah, I'm sure the cell industry says zero, and I'm also sure that the school district is eagerly anticipating the income to start rolling in from that lease.  Kids health?  No worries, they'll be fine.  Let's all play stupid until we find out that cancer rates are up 5x amongst those students in a decade.  Truly amazing.


2012-12-17 1:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Cell Towers on School Property

SevenZulu - 2012-12-17 1:16 PM As I drove in to work this morning, I saw something that made me wonder from whom and what we're worrying about protecting our children.  There was a utility bucket truck parked on the middle school property and a massive cell tower that it had just finished setting into place at the corner of the playground and front corner of the school building.  How many cancer deaths are going to happen from that?  Oh yeah, I'm sure the cell industry says zero, and I'm also sure that the school district is eagerly anticipating the income to start rolling in from that lease.  Kids health?  No worries, they'll be fine.  Let's all play stupid until we find out that cancer rates are up 5x amongst those students in a decade.  Truly amazing.

Peer reviewed studies to justify your concerns?

2012-12-17 1:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Cell Towers on School Property
This has been a big debate in FL.  I don't know what the answer is but hoping it helps to know you are not alone
2012-12-17 1:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Cell Towers on School Property
crowny2 - 2012-12-17 1:26 PM

SevenZulu - 2012-12-17 1:16 PM As I drove in to work this morning, I saw something that made me wonder from whom and what we're worrying about protecting our children.  There was a utility bucket truck parked on the middle school property and a massive cell tower that it had just finished setting into place at the corner of the playground and front corner of the school building.  How many cancer deaths are going to happen from that?  Oh yeah, I'm sure the cell industry says zero, and I'm also sure that the school district is eagerly anticipating the income to start rolling in from that lease.  Kids health?  No worries, they'll be fine.  Let's all play stupid until we find out that cancer rates are up 5x amongst those students in a decade.  Truly amazing.

Peer reviewed studies to justify your concerns?

Cell towers are already everywhere.  4G antenna are smaller and attach to buildings. Wifi in your house sends waves bouncing around all over the place.

I have yet to see a peer reviewed study on cell towers or transmission lines for that matter causing cancer.

That tower is probably paying a good chunk of teacher's salaries or for the new computers in the library at that school.  So that's a good thing.

2012-12-17 1:38 PM
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crowny2 - 2012-12-17 11:26 AM

SevenZulu - 2012-12-17 1:16 PM As I drove in to work this morning, I saw something that made me wonder from whom and what we're worrying about protecting our children.  There was a utility bucket truck parked on the middle school property and a massive cell tower that it had just finished setting into place at the corner of the playground and front corner of the school building.  How many cancer deaths are going to happen from that?  Oh yeah, I'm sure the cell industry says zero, and I'm also sure that the school district is eagerly anticipating the income to start rolling in from that lease.  Kids health?  No worries, they'll be fine.  Let's all play stupid until we find out that cancer rates are up 5x amongst those students in a decade.  Truly amazing.

Peer reviewed studies to justify your concerns?

So how many peer-reviewed studies did we wait for before we decided that above-ground nuclear testing was a bad idea?  How about applying even the smallest amount of common sense to this situation?  You really want to wait for peer-reviewed studies to establish conclusively that exposing our children, right as they are in their peak growth ages, to a steady dose of high EM radiation is a bad thing?  That's utterly brilliant.  Let's make our kids guinea pigs in this cell tower study !!

2012-12-17 1:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Cell Towers on School Property

The strength of the signal falls off with the square of the distance.  And we're talking microwave frequencies, not ionizing radiation.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of biological effects.  But if there is a risk, kids are getting more exposure from their own phones -- which most of them carry these days -- than from towers or wi-fi routers.



2012-12-17 1:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Cell Towers on School Property
I think we'll be OK if we provide each student with a pointy tin foil hat to wear during the school day.
2012-12-17 1:42 PM
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Doesn't the tin foil deflector beanie negate that?
2012-12-17 1:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Cell Towers on School Property
spudone - 2012-12-17 1:41 PM

The strength of the signal falls off with the square of the distance.  And we're talking microwave frequencies, not ionizing radiation.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of biological effects.  But if there is a risk, kids are getting more exposure from their own phones -- which most of them carry these days -- than from towers or wi-fi routers.

Dang it, you beat me to it.  I'm not sure what the numbers are but the cellphone in their pocket is hitting them with far more RF than the tower, even if it's just outside the building.

The wireless access points for the computers in every room are cranking out serious power to handle the hundreds of iPads and laptops as well which are also hitting them with far more RF than the cell tower.

2012-12-17 1:48 PM
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Subject: RE: Cell Towers on School Property
Without those, how would kids Facebook in class or text their friends?

Now ... GET OFF MY LAWN!
2012-12-17 1:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Cell Towers on School Property

pitt83 - 2012-12-17 1:42 PM Doesn't the tin foil deflector beanie negate that?

The tin foil beanie just deflects the beams to the rest of their bodies.  What they need is a full-body tin-foil suit every day.



2012-12-17 1:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Cell Towers on School Property
SevenZulu - 2012-12-17 1:38 PM
crowny2 - 2012-12-17 11:26 AM

SevenZulu - 2012-12-17 1:16 PM As I drove in to work this morning, I saw something that made me wonder from whom and what we're worrying about protecting our children.  There was a utility bucket truck parked on the middle school property and a massive cell tower that it had just finished setting into place at the corner of the playground and front corner of the school building.  How many cancer deaths are going to happen from that?  Oh yeah, I'm sure the cell industry says zero, and I'm also sure that the school district is eagerly anticipating the income to start rolling in from that lease.  Kids health?  No worries, they'll be fine.  Let's all play stupid until we find out that cancer rates are up 5x amongst those students in a decade.  Truly amazing.

Peer reviewed studies to justify your concerns?

So how many peer-reviewed studies did we wait for before we decided that above-ground nuclear testing was a bad idea?  How about applying even the smallest amount of common sense to this situation?  You really want to wait for peer-reviewed studies to establish conclusively that exposing our children, right as they are in their peak growth ages, to a steady dose of high EM radiation is a bad thing?  That's utterly brilliant.  Let's make our kids guinea pigs in this cell tower study !!

So then you don't allow your children to have cell phones.  And I'm assuming you don't have one either.  And you have basically gotten rid of every single RF device in your house because it emits significantly higher levels than a cell tower, right? 

2012-12-17 1:50 PM
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GomesBolt - 2012-12-17 2:49 PM

pitt83 - 2012-12-17 1:42 PM Doesn't the tin foil deflector beanie negate that?

The tin foil beanie just deflects the beams to the rest of their bodies.  What they need is a full-body tin-foil suit every day.



Do they make me swim faster too? Those are friggen' sweet!
2012-12-17 1:51 PM
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Subject: RE: Cell Towers on School Property
I don’t know about where you live, but the people who would be complaining about this would also be the first ones complaining about how they can’t get a decent cell phone signal in their house and demanding that their cell phone provider do something about it.
2012-12-17 1:53 PM
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I'm sorry to the OP for making fun of your concerns.  It's just that I've heard this same line from a lot of people opposing cell towers or transmission lines or wind farms, but I have yet to see a peer-reviewed study that holds-up to the slightest scruitiny. 

We should have made a separate thread to make light of this point. 

I apologize.

2012-12-17 1:55 PM
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I'm sure this isn't peer-reviewed to anybody's satisfaction, but here's a study of a sort:

http://weepnews.blogspot.com/2008/07/kempten-west-study-2007-english-version.html

 

And no, my kids don't carry cell phones.



2012-12-17 2:06 PM
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The problem I have with that study is that they only took a single initial sample, rather than repeating the baseline over several tests and several months.

Basically, it reports physiological changes and attributes them to the installation of a nearby tower.  But a) it didn't look to see if those levels rise or decrease naturally, and b) didn't report on or investigate other potential causes, such as changes in diet, other environmental differences, and so on.

2012-12-17 2:09 PM
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the bear - 2012-12-17 2:41 PM I think we'll be OK if we provide each student with a pointy tin foil hat to wear during the school day.

You're only saying that because you own shares of Alcoa and Alcan. I smell a profit

2012-12-17 2:09 PM
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spudone - 2012-12-17 2:06 PM

The problem I have with that study is that they only took a single initial sample, rather than repeating the baseline over several tests and several months.

Basically, it reports physiological changes and attributes them to the installation of a nearby tower.  But a) it didn't look to see if those levels rise or decrease naturally, and b) didn't report on or investigate other potential causes, such as changes in diet, other environmental differences, and so on.

And it was done only 5-6 months later so there is the potential for seasonal variation.  I agree with you.  No repeats on the initial.  No repeats on the after.  WAY too many variables not taken into account.

2012-12-17 2:09 PM
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I was in a field for a while where hyperbolic internet screaming that "common sense tells you X is dangerous" in the absence of scientific studies absolutely ruined an industry.  And then the court ordered an independent scientific review that found no statistically significant increase in Y from X.  By then it was too late.
2012-12-17 2:10 PM
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Would you believe there was an initial outcry and fear mongering when pasteurization was first introduced?  Same things were said then.


2012-12-17 2:10 PM
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crowny2 - 2012-12-17 3:10 PM Would you believe there was an initial outcry and fear mongering when pasteurization was first introduced?  Same things were said then.

same with color TV

2012-12-17 2:11 PM
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mehaner - 2012-12-17 3:10 PM

crowny2 - 2012-12-17 3:10 PM Would you believe there was an initial outcry and fear mongering when pasteurization was first introduced?  Same things were said then.

same with color TV



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2012-12-17 2:14 PM
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SevenZulu - 2012-12-17 1:55 PM

I'm sure this isn't peer-reviewed to anybody's satisfaction, but here's a study of a sort:

http://weepnews.blogspot.com/2008/07/kempten-west-study-2007-english-version.html

 

And no, my kids don't carry cell phones.

I read through that report and it looks there would be a lot of scientific errors to testing only 28 people, all in the same building, then testing melatonin and serotonin without controlling for what they've had in their diet, etc.

I'm not saying it's nothing.  I'm just saying there should be an actual study done somewhere that shows this to be harmful.  There are lots that say it isn't harmful.

2012-12-17 2:15 PM
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mehaner - 2012-12-17 2:10 PM

crowny2 - 2012-12-17 3:10 PM Would you believe there was an initial outcry and fear mongering when pasteurization was first introduced?  Same things were said then.

same with color TV

and alternating current electricity - nice try Thomas Edison

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