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2008-08-12 7:43 PM

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Subject: iPod Etiquette?

I was just curious as to what the etiquette is with regard to using an iPod (or other mp3) player during a triathlon. Is it okay to use one during the bike and/or run?  My initial thought would be that it would be ill-advised during the cycling segment for safety reasons, but is it illegal in most races?  I also assume it's okay during the run ... just not sure. 

I searched the website for the Arrowhead Day at the Beach in Hermosa (October), and I can't find anything about iPod usage.  I love to use one when riding solo, but I fully understand not being allowed to in larger, competitive packs if that's the standard.

Any advice? 



2008-08-12 7:49 PM
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It is illegal on both the bike and the run during any USAT sanctioned event.  They are banned at most other races, too.
2008-08-12 7:49 PM
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Against the rules in any USAT-sanctioned race, and most others as well.
2008-08-12 7:51 PM
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Hermosa is a USAT tri.  ipods are illegal.

At any rate, using an ipod on that bike course would be in addition stupid.  It's way too crowded and way too narrow.

2008-08-12 7:56 PM
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So if one was to use an ipod during a rather large USAT race, say a HIM or greater...is it just a time penalty or are you disqualified?  If it's only a 2 minute time penalty, should I ever find myself in a longer race, I'm wearing the thing!
2008-08-12 8:03 PM
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They are illegal for good reason. How many times on MUT's have you had a crash or near miss caused by someone in their own world listening to an IPOD and not paying attention. I have tried the single ear approach on longer solo rides but it just isn't worth the trouble and safety risk and I definitely wouldn't be wasting time on it during a race.


2008-08-12 8:06 PM
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gopennstate - 2008-08-12 5:56 PM So if one was to use an ipod during a rather large USAT race, say a HIM or greater...is it just a time penalty or are you disqualified?  If it's only a 2 minute time penalty, should I ever find myself in a longer race, I'm wearing the thing!

Time penalty.  But to be blunt, very poor form, and potentially dangerous to you and your fellow competitiors.  Why pay the money or, possibly, take up someone else's slot in a race if you don't intend to follow the rules going in?  Why race at all?  Just do a long brick with your ipod

They're illegal for a reason - they are unsafe in a group racing situation.  I hope if you ever find yourself in a longer race, you reconsider your position

2008-08-12 8:06 PM
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gopennstate - 2008-08-12 8:56 PM

So if one was to use an ipod during a rather large USAT race, say a HIM or greater...is it just a time penalty or are you disqualified? If it's only a 2 minute time penalty, should I ever find myself in a longer race, I'm wearing the thing!


I wear one headphone when biking and running (training only). Only one so I can still hear. If my mp3 player battery dies mid-workout, I get kinda bored on long workouts. However, I never, ever get bored during races. I guess the excitement of the race and that I'm working harder keeps it interesting.

Here are the USAT rules...
8. Headphones:
Headphones, headsets, walkmans, ipods, mp3 players, or personal audio devices, etc.
are not to be carried or worn at any time during the race.
Penalty: Variable time penalty
 
Variable Time Penalties
Distance 1st Offense 2nd Offense 3rd Offense
Sprint 2:00 minute 4:00 minutes Disqualification
Intermediate 2:00 minutes 4:00 minutes Disqualification
Long 4:00 minutes 8:00 minutes Disqualification
Ultra 6:00 minutes 12:00 minutes Disqualification


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2008-08-12 8:18 PM
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Thanks all ... makes a ton of sense and I appreciate the guidance!
2008-08-12 10:05 PM
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However, they kick a$$ for loosening up before the swim!  Laughing

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2008-08-13 9:15 AM
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I have seen people DQ'ed in races. 


2008-08-13 9:17 AM
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HTFU and race without it (because yes, as other have said, it's illegal and also dangerous)

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2008-08-13 9:26 AM
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In addition to the safety concerns - you are cheating yourself of the full race experience by using one.  Some of the great things about race day are the external stimuli of other people on the course, the spectators, and the sights and sounds of the course itself.  By using an ipod, you are missing out on these factors.   
2008-08-13 9:52 AM
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I usually only use an IPOD for gym workouts. Last weekend for a long run, I decided to use one for my outdoor run for some extra motivation. Although it was a little more enjoyable from an entertainment perspective, I felt out of it...like I was in another world. At one point, I crossed an intersection without looking ..thankfully no cars were there. It was a little scary...I can't imagine wearing one on a bike, let alone in a race!

I remember when I first started running in high school and the coach would not allow people to wear walkmans (back in that day). He basically said: Why enter a race or go on a run, and then wear a walkman to try to imagine that you are somewhere else? sort of pointless don't you think? I always thought that was a good point.

Just curious on the rules: what is 1st offense/2nd offense/etc. Is that per race? i.e., if an official sees you with one...do they warn you to take it off..and that goes down as your first offense?
2008-08-13 10:08 AM
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I just did my first tri (Oly distance) and asked the same question a week before the race I got the same answer.

I never train without my Ipod. I ride with it and run with it. I find it to be a personal choice and would not take a very strong stand either way. I certainly would not imply anyone is stupid for using or not using one. I really enjoy it, but it does require a level of awareness that some people probably don't have the capacity (mental or otherwise) for.

The bottom line is they are not allowed. I raced without my ipod and honestly did not miss it at all on the bike. There were times on the run where I wished that I had it, but it was not as big of a deal as I thought it would be.

FWIW: I did noticed several (4 or 5) people wearing them in the run and no one received a penalty for it. 

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2008-08-13 10:11 AM
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chevy57 - 2008-08-13 10:08 AM

FWIW: I did noticed several (4 or 5) people wearing them in the run and no one received a penalty for it. 

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FWIW, I had several people pass me on the interstate yesterday at speeds in excess of the legal posted limit. No one received a ticket for it.

Doesn't mean they didn't break the rules. Just that they didn't get caught.



2008-08-13 10:14 AM
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I sometimes train with mine. But I have found in a race situation it is just another thing to untangle and worry about. In this situation I believe that less is more.
2008-08-13 10:16 AM
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There for weenies.
2008-08-13 10:16 AM
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This year the Lincoln marathon started a no headphones rule for their race, so during the last several weeks of training I weaned off the iPod. I actually ran faster a lot of the time during my training runs and was much more in tune to my form, etc. Race day came and quite a few people were wearing headphones and nobody seemed to be enforcing the rule. At first I was a little miffed, but I ended up talking with a bunch of nice people during the race and think I got more out of it overall without the distraction of a soundtrack. I still run with music occasionally, but tend to keep the volume low and am able to hear any cyclists on the MUP that announce themselves to pass. (Won't rant here about the ones who don't say anything...)
2008-08-13 10:29 AM
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I wasn't implying I would bike with it.  Never have, never will.  I just like to run with it.  For someone who struggles mentally in the run, it makes it a ton easier.  As far as cheating myself, I don't think anyone can make that call for anyone else.  In my opinion, that's similar to saying a woman is cheating herself of the full experience of labor by using drugs in labor.  Everyone's goals are different and the experience we are each seeking is different.  If my goal is to finish and finish happy, that might look totally different than what it would for you. 

 Now the rules thing I agree with for the most part (cappy).  Though there are plenty of sports where the stategy of the game involves taking the penalty (i.e breaking the 'rules') for the greater purpose.  Last 2 minutes of a tight b-ball game is what is coming to mind.

2008-08-13 10:33 AM
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the bear - 2008-08-13 11:11 AM

FWIW, I had several people pass me on the interstate yesterday at speeds in excess of the legal posted limit.

How many were on their cell phones at the time? 

Mark



2008-08-13 10:54 AM
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I tend to ride with an iPod, although at low levels so I can be aware of what's going on around me and it's never been a problem.  I'm a musician, and I do just about everything with music playing ... Not to take me somewhere, but for me, it enhances what I am doing.

As for the race, I was planning on not using one anyway because it just seems insanely dangerous in a group, and I was asking more about what to do about other riders with iPods.  I guess I don't understand the harm or danger during the run, but I can get over it.

 ... but if I get some stupid song stuck  in my head before the run and can't get it out because I don't have a distraction, I'm gonna be pissed!   (not really

2008-08-13 11:11 AM
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I would never ride with an MP3 player simply for the sake that there is so much to look at and hear when I'm on my bike!  I wish everyone would try to enjoy biking itself more.  It may take a little practice to get used to it, but there is so much to observe and think about.  The longer the ride the better, too.  And if your riding route is boring, seek out new ones.

For a race, on the topic of ettiquette, I can always spot a person wearing an MP3 player from a ways away.  How?  They are not getting over to let people pass them and - especially annoying - cutting people off on corners.  So, please don't wear a personal listening device of any sort in a race.  It's rude and annoying.  I like to sing in my head and I can usually conjure up many of the songs I hear during training.

Edited to say that my second paragraph applies to people I see running, although it would obviously apply to biking.  But I am always surprised how much an oblivious runner can get in the way.



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2008-08-13 11:16 AM
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Never for the bike. I had a tough enough time yelling on your left to people at captext on the bike and they didn't even have head phones on! Still had to pass on the right several times since people didn't pay attention.

If it's not a trail or side walk I can't say I care too much about it on the run. But if it's narrow, we can run into the same passing problem as on the bike. Since we don't always run straight.
2008-08-13 11:22 AM
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BikerGrrrl - 2008-08-13 11:11 AM

I would never ride with an MP3 player simply for the sake that there is so much to look at and hear when I'm on my bike!  I wish everyone would try to enjoy biking itself more.  It may take a little practice to get used to it, but there is so much to observe and think about.  The longer the ride the better, too.  And if your riding route is boring, seek out new ones.

Great advice if you're only riding 750 miles per year, not so great if you're doing six times that. Only so many cycleable routes in my area.

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